Mikeler's Polys

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  1. mikeler

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    I tried out Genesis Trionic today for 2 sets of singles. It's a firm control string with ample spin. So far so good.
     
  2. Ronaldo

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    Wear thimbles?
     
  3. mikeler

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    I'm not following this comment. :confused:
     
  4. mikeler

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    I strung up WeissCannon Ultra Cable tonight. Hopefully I get a chance to test that one out tomorrow. Super slick yet shaped string.
     
  5. Ronaldo

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    My fingers do not like shaped polys. Wondered if you used a thimble? Mr T says it best.......PAIN!
     
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  6. mikeler

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    This was one of the easiest strings to install that I've ever used.
     
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    Wait wait wait, you're a mod now? :eek:
     
  8. mikeler

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    Yes for the past 6 months or so.
     
  9. SpinToWin

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    Gee never noticed, I'll have to be careful now :D

    By the way, you still haven't come to try Revolve?
     
  10. mikeler

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    Yeah watch yourself over there in GPP buddy. :)

    Should I try Revolve? Isn't it just RipSpin renamed?
     
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    It really is a different string I would say, an improvement overall even. It definitely is worth a try IMO.

    I found the most noticeable improvements in feel, control, and spin personally (as well as playability duration). If you want it slightly livelier (and flashier) take the orange color :)
     
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  12. mikeler

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    Ok, now that I'm back out to trying strings what's one more to add to the list. I just bought a reel of Cyclone so I hope I don't find something new that I like better, otherwise I'll have to dust off the old auction account.
     
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    Mike, I don't think it was Tourbite soft that was making my shoulders worse. most likely playing with dead balls and I slept on it for extended hours. because last 2 times I used Tourbite soft, it didn't make shoulder worse.
     
  14. mikeler

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    Glad you figured it out. TBS is really soft.
     
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    Mikeler. I apologise because this is no doubt a question you've been asked. But if i may: what was your journey in terms of strings/racquets for TE recovery. I assume you started with multi and as you got better moved to poly, but stayed with ESP racquets throughout? Just wondering what worked for you, and when/why you decided to shift? Thanks for any response.
     
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    +1 to hear Mr M what you have to say about Revolve as I'd like to read about it compared...

     
  17. mikeler

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    Wait, you don't want to read through 2,064 previous posts? OK, well it all started probably 7 years ago with a bout of GE. I was using big sports store Prince frames (el cheapo) and for awhile I was using Prince Pro Blend with no issues. If I recall correctly, I had just started stringing for myself that year and was using just standard synthetic gut when I tried to hit a serve too hard and that began the GE issues.

    So from there, I went to the Pure Storm Tour Plus and the mikeler's multis thread was born. That frame was a little too heavy for my shoulder on serve and I had started to develop TE. I was hoping to stay with extended frames so I went to the Pro Kennex 7G. I could never shake the TE with it though even with multis.

    All the while I had been reading how arm friendly the Exo Tour (16x18) was. I was at the point I wanted anything to relieve my arm pain. This frame was soft enough to where I could play with poly/multi hybrids after a few months since my pain had cleared. The launch angle of the frame was not ideal and I tended to play too defensive with this frame.

    Fast forward to my frame today, the ESP with its more open pattern and the double bridge technology is so soft that only a few full polys have bugged my arm in it. A friend of mine battled TE for years and he also has the same frame I use and has had no issues with his arm since he switched. He's so scared of arm pain coming back, he only uses full multi. I'm a spin monkey so this frame fits my game.

    So if your #1 goal is no arm pain, give my frame a whirl. The price has dropped and who knows how long it will be around. The ports take a little getting used to but your arm will thank you especially if you start out with full multi. If your arm hurts still with that setup, then you need to just take time off and/or do rehab.
     
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  18. Ronaldo

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    You started playing with a Kevlar blend and now someone wants you to try it again? Wonder how long Prince will continue their ESP racquets too. Easy to stock up though.
     
  19. mikeler

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    Maybe I will just for kicks. I'm a little leery though, I'm not a young buck like I was back then. I've got 6 of them now. If I see another price drop, I might go hog wild and buy a bunch of them.
     
  20. Ronaldo

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    Lucky they were bogo free on a Wednesday afternoon. Just notch my poly mains quickly. Do you use a boomerang?
     
  21. mikeler

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    Only when hunting wild game. I use the 50/50 method on the crosses.
     
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    Thanks for your response. What concerns me a little is plow through with these frames. Do yo mod the frame Mikeler? Or play stock?
     
  23. Ronaldo

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    Have a brake?
     
  24. mikeler

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    Stock, I don't like fooling around with lead.
     
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    I do but it won't hold on the crosses. The newer Gamma brake design supposedly will hold.
     
  26. Ronaldo

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    Only 11.4 oz? The Tour 98 is a bit heavier, 12 oz strung
     
  27. mikeler

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    Yes, I like lighter whippy frames.
     
  28. njhmusicman

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    Mikeler, what is the difference between Volkl Cyclone 16g and Prince Tour XC 15g and what are the pros and cons of each. I use a Wilson Juice 100S 16X15. Prince Tour XC 15g is on sale at tennis warehouse for $2.50 a set if you buy two or more and wanted to know if I should buy more. Thanks!
     
  29. mikeler

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    Cyclone has more control and spin. XC is An OK all around string.
     
  30. mikeler

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    Genesis Trionic 16g

    This one is a sharp triangular poly that was relatively easy to install.

    Tension it is strung: 60# on a lockout
    Your regular string set up: Volkl Cyclone 16g
    String pattern of your racquet: 16 x 16 (Prince Tour 100T ESP)
    Power (or lack there of): Low/Medium powered
    Feel: Pretty good
    Tension maintenance: It broke before I could get a 2nd measurement.
    Price: $7.90/set
    Overall comments and feedback: See below

    General: Another string I really like that just doesn't last long enough for my needs. :(

    Serve/Return of Serve: I served well with this string. Second serves had very good spin on them. It seemed like I was able to put a lot of returns in play and deep.

    Strokes: Shaped strings are usually good for spin and even in the cold weather, this string didn't disappoint. This is definitely a control string, I felt like I had to take a huge cut to make the ball go long which I like.

    Volleys: About average in this department.

    Touch shots: Drop shots were good at times and poor at others. I'll put that more on my patchy play at the moment.

    Softness: This felt like one of the firmer polys to me especially at first. I didn't test it when the weather got really cold (for Florida) because I was worried it might bug my arm.

    Tension: 60# played great.

    Durability: I broke it probably after 7 or 8 sets of singles but half of those were against a soft baller. These sharp edged strings don't last too long in the open pattern.

    Movement: Very little string movement at least at the 60# of tension.

    Color: There was some slight bleeding of the black ink on the balls but it was barely noticeable.

    Conclusion: This is one of the best polys I've tried to date. At the low price, if it lasted longer I could see switching to it. For those with more normal frames who like control strings with spin and don't have arm problems, I say give this one a go.
     
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    I've tried a hybrid of T1Firewire/IsoSpeed Baseline Spin. I don't recall if it added more life to it but it seemed to give me a better feel/touch. I don't know if you are open to a poly hybrid. Another slick hybrid I like is Volkl VStar
     
  32. mikeler

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    Oh gosh, that would open up too many possibilities to an addict like me if I start doing poly/poly hybrids.
     
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    Over the last few weeks, I've converted my father over to the dark side. He plays with prince Hornet 100 racquets, and before I got my machine, he had a local guy string them up with TNT2 for 20$ a job. I strung up one of his racquets with Cyclone 18 mains & syngut crosses, and the other one with V-Pro 18 mains & OGSM 16 crosses, and he's loving them! He's a 4.0 that plays doubles 1-2 times a week and a set of singles with me aroundonce a week.
     
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  35. parasailing

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    @mikeler - A while ago, you tried out Vorso. What are you thoughts on the string? So far, I still like Head Hawk Touch 17g and haven't found a better poly for me. I am just wondering if there is anything out there that offers what Head Hawk touch does which is great tension maintenance, great control, and relatively soft on your arm. Added spin and power are nice but I doubt there is a string besides natural gut that offers all these characteristics in a copoly.
     
  36. mikeler

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    I did a full review on Vorso. Go to post #1 to find the link. It was just average for me. I really liked Genesis Trionic (full review too) but shaped strings just don't last long in my frame.
     
  37. lucky44

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    @mikeler: I have been closely following your threads past few years, like you I also have a sensitive arm . I bought PK7G after reading your review then when you moved to EXO3 Tour ,I did too and later went back to 7G, finally after following this thread I pulled the trigger on ESP Tour 100T.

    I was skeptical for a long time that I could play with a full Poly that's why I took so much time in buying this Racquet to my surprise ,Thanks to you! I am playing the best tennis of my life with this Racquet strung with Volkl Cyclone.

    Now the problem is when I go into 3 sets or play more than 3 days in a week my arm starts bothering me. Can you please suggest a poly that's not too bad compared to Volkl Cyclone but very soft/arm friendly. I have already read all the reviews you have on the first page but could not reach a conclusion. Also, the string mentioned by parasailng(Head Hawk Touch) is on my list to try next. Please help.
     
  38. mikeler

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    Cyclone bugs my elbow a little when it gets cold. Try Cyclone Tour for winter play.
     
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    Thanks! I will try that ,I am in New England so I have been playing indoors and temperature inside is definitely lower than what we have outside in the summer.
     
  40. tim-ay

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    Mikeler - I play with a Pro Staff 95s, which is a 16x15 arm friendly frame. I love Typhoon in it, but before it breaks it I seem to lose some control. Of course that could be my head.... wondering if you moved to Cyclone due to this or other issues with it? I have some Cyclone on the way to test it based on this thread and other good reviews. I've gone through a ton of other Poly's before settling on Typhoon about 8 months ago.
     
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    Parasailing -

    Curious what gauge of Cyclone Tour did you try ?

    The reason I ask is 16g vs 17g has to be the largest gap in tension loss of any string in one gauge difference that I can recall- 17g CT is terrible at tension loss compared to 16g in uber open pattern frames like 16x16 and 16x15.

    One 3.5 guy asked me to string 17g CT in his Head Speed MPA 16x16 frames - terrible result.

    Using 16g CT, I get more than twice the useful life from the strings - 7 hours vs 14 hours of play- Maybe you were using 16g CT, but if you were using 17g CT, the tension loss is unacceptable for me also.

    16 g CT vs 17g CT are like completely different strings
     
  42. mikeler

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    Typhoon was just breaking too quickly for me.
     
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    Thanks for the info. I play 4.0 so probably not facing the same consistent pace you are seeing at higher levels. I get about 3 weeks out of Typhoon, maybe 4 depending on how much I'm playing... probably 12 sets or so. After that I would cut it out anyway if it hasn't broken. I'm looking forward to trying Cyclone though. I had some wrong assumptions about Cyclone it seems, should be fun to hit it.
     
  44. mikeler

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    I strung up Solinco Tour Bite 15l last night and should get a chance to hit with it tonight. Man getting that thick of a string through blocked holes was not fun. I'm hoping I don't like this string too much. :)
     
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    Wilson did something right with Revolve. This smooth string produces as much spin as needed for the player with accomplished strokes while feeling crisp yet comfortable. Perhaps the most interesting part is the fact that I have now played 10 competitive sets with Revolve and I like it as much now if not better when compared to my first set of play. I can tell you that I cut out most co-polys after 5 or 6 sets due to the loss of control/play-ability.
     
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    My first outing with Tour Bite was pretty good. It definitely is stiffer than the softer version and doesn't have that springiness of the soft version. The string didn't bug my arm at all.
     
  47. Morch Us

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    I know there are tons of poly strings out there now a days. Recently I played with a guy and I noticed he was getting some real heavy spin during the match, and I am sure a lot of it comes from his technique. But after the match I talked with him and he asked me to try hitting with his racket, and I was really amazed with those strings. I asked him about it and he told me some brand (which I forgot) but I was shocked when he said that he bought those co-poly for $3.50/pack of 40ft. Now I am trying to find out what was that brand :) What is the best "value" poly you had experienced?
     
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    Not sure about a $3.50 set, but there are good reels to be had for $60 and less, so that would get you there. I think PP Lethal 5 is similar to tour bite. It's less than $60. (More like $40)
     
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    Hi Mikeler,
    I am a fan of Tier One Firewire and read your review of Trionic with great attention.
    When I compared it to the Firewire one, it just reinforced my first though: don't you think that Genesis Trionic and Tier One Firewire black could be the same string?
    They exist in the same gauge, and your comments are really really similar.

    What do you think about my hypothesis?
    Also I need to precise: I still did not have time to try Trionic (due to other current playtests), but depending on your answer I could buy a few sets.
    First of all I would like to try Firewire black with a smooth poly to increase the feel while keeping that wonderful spin/control.

    Thanks for your feedback.
     
  50. mikeler

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    I haven't tried any polys that cheap yet.
     

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