Mixed Doubles & Smashing Lobs???

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  1. Tennisguy3000

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    I had a mixed doubles match the other night where the woman on the other team always stayed at the net even when I had a floater/lob that I could hit hard into the court but she always stayed at the net and I felt that I couldn't hit at (or close to her in case my aim was off) and therefore it took away the best shot that I had from me (Smash into their service box on her side... She was weaker compared to her very strong/better male player).

    I ended up trying to hit it deep into the other side of the court where the guy who was quite good was easily able to get it back (I was in the doubles ally across from the woman). Or I tried to lightly angle it down resulting in many frustrating net balls lol.

    So.... My question is what do you do when the woman doesn't back up off the the net in a social doubles mixed league?

    I mentioned it to her male partner during the changeover & he basically said that you don't hit hard at the women at net. OK, but she should back up if she doesn't want to be hit... I just felt that my best chance of winning the point was taken away because of this.

    Thoughts?
     
  2. LeeD

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    Sounds like they are taking advantage of your "chivalry"....
    Competitive match, both sides TRYING to win, crush the net player's feet with your overhead.
    Friendly match, with BBQ afterwards, take it easy on the woman, play the guy's backhand.
     
  3. esgee48

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    Social tennis means no shots or overheads hit towards opponents above the waist. If you can hit at their feet or legs, that OK as far as I'm concerned.

    In match, warn her before the match that if she does not back off the net, it's her problem not yours. I suspect that she may not know she needs to back off the net because a lot of the 4.0+ women will back up or turn the back. They know enough that they're fair targets.
     
  4. storypeddler

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    I think, instead of or in addition to speaking to her partner, you should have mentioned it to her on a changeover. Nothing mean---just say that you really don't want to hit her, but if you get any more short lobs, you intend to smash an overhead. Suggest she back up or turn away and then leave it up to her. Clearly, her partner wasn't too concerned for her safety or he would have told her to back off the net to prevent being hit. From his response to you, it sounds like he was absolutely taking advantage of a situation where you were trying to do the honorable thing. Smile, be friendly, but tell them you will be trying to smash every future short lob that comes your way. And then be true to your word. I see absolutely nothing wrong with that.
     
  5. goran_ace

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    Short angle into the side fence/netting. No longer an issue.
     
  6. roman40

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    You don't have to smash it hard at the net person to hit a winner, it's not coming back most of the time, even if you hit a soft overhead at her body.
     
  7. Fintft

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    a) I try to stay away from mixed doubles, but if you end up playing what I do sometimes is:

    b) Scare them (the male usually) with a hard passing shot when I am behind the baseline. Usually the woman never comes to the net anymore after that.
     
  8. escii_35

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    Social and Competitive mxd are two very different beasts.

    In social, before you plow the lady at the net just remember who brings the cookies. I always serve big unless they ask me to stop. Why? 3.5 ladies play 8.0 mxd and they need to see bigger serves.
     
  9. Rui

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    Aim it into her alley. Don't let up. She shouldn't be there.
     
  10. TenS_Ace

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    It's 2013 already,,I'm tired of the "woe-me" from females playing at the net and expecting less than desirable offensive shots...good grief...get off the courts all ready...:evil:
     
  11. RogueFLIP

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    People on the other side of the net are opponents, they have no gender.

    I will try not to aim at my opponents, but at my level I can't always guarantee where I want the ball to go is where the ball actually goes.
     
  12. samarai

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    The guy mentions its a social doubles match. U don't want to be "the guy" at these outings. Otherwise it will be no cookies or beer for u.
     
  13. rkelley

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    +1

    Doubles survival 101 - if you're at net, and there's a sitter on the other side of the net, get the heck out of the way if you've got no reasonable play. The player on the other side has every right to drill you with a 120 mph overhead. You cannot volley that ball.

    And this is part of the game. As the net person, when you see that sitter about to happen, you often have time to retreat to the baseline. From the baseline you and your partner have some small chance of handling the overhead - at the very least you won't get hurt. You do have to be thinking, and you do have to run. If you just stand your ground at the net on a shot that you have no hope of handling, essentially using your body to block a potential shot and counting on the other player not wanting to hurt you - honestly you're just cheating at that point.
     
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  14. beernutz

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    What is a social doubles mixed league?
     
  15. LeftyRighty

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    I hate this. I play mixed doubles for fun with my wife and another couple.

    I play him AND his wife to even level for HER sake. I try not to hit hard and I serve to both of them softly so that his wife wont have to return a hard ball, and I serve to HIM softly so that MY wife wont have to worry about getting hit with his return.

    HE insists on trying to ace me, and his wife might as well take a chair and sit with her face on the net...it's so annoying, but he TELLS her to go there, and it makes me hit towards him, but HE hits towards my wife...I hate that.

    SO I got ****ed last match when I realized we always lose to them because I get scared to hit smashes, and I don't come to net out of fear I will hit it too hard at his wife.

    I returned his ace attempt right at her face, and on my serve I aced them both for 40-0, then started targeting her on my return of his serves. They kept almost hitting her so he FINALLY told her to move, and he stopped trying to ace me.

    Lesson learned I hope. They completely always try to take advantage of me being nice to them, while we lose.
     
  16. Tennisguy3000

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    Thanks for all of your input everyone, I am going to take a bit of everyone's advice the next time we play.

    I will try to work on my angled smashes as I have always just aimed into the middle of the court or slightly angled smashes depending on my positioning & the position of my opponents. I do feel that I was taken advantage of for trying to be too nice... It's not like she is a 2.5 just learning to play or something.

    I will also test out some lighter smashes & increase the pace until she gets the "hint" that it might be a good idea to back up when you see someone about to smash a lob into your side of the court ;-)

    Last but not least is to communicate that I am going to place my smashes into the most advantageous spot in the court & nicely recommend that she back up if she sees me about to hit one... After all my aim isn't that good ;-)

    Cheers
     
  17. Cindysphinx

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    You seem to be assuming that the reason she doesn't move back is to gain a tactical advantage. Nope. More likely is that she is like most net players and simply isn't paying attention.

    If she is tight to be and you have a good smash, you should be able to hit a winner or force an error from the other guy regardless of where she stands. Aim for the alley.
     
  18. Fintft

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    So eventually you did what I suggested, send some hard balls from the baseline to the people at the net and they would run away (no need to smash them)?
    I'd start with the males of course.

    I.e. I don't often play doubles, but yesterday since they insist we do a playoff (to select the club's team etc.), I've waited until one of them send a couple of hard balls at me at the net and then I've tatoo-ed him 4 times and his partner once (that was the end of their volleying)....
     
  19. Tennisguy3000

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    How can she not be paying attention... What else would she be looking at other than the ball & thinking about where the next shot "may" go Cindy?

    She seemed quite "attentive" and aware of what was happening on all of the other ground strokes played ;-)
     
  20. LeftyRighty

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    In my case, the girl and guy have been playing tennis for years, and my wife just started last month.

    It's so clear we are there to just have fun, but the dude completely avoids hitting to me, and hits hard winners at my wife. When he does hit to me, he sandbags the shot, and then returns a winner on my wife. I've played singles against him, and he hits hard, so I know he's sandbagging for strategy (since he goes full out AT my wife).

    I never wanted to do the same thing in return (because who wants to be THAT GUY) but the last game I was ****ed off she was sitting at the net when we were up a set, thinking I would make errors trying to be nice and avoid her. Next game I'm gonna feel out his attitude. If he uses my wife as target practice, and point gaining again, I'm going for headshots on HIS wife :twisted: :mrgreen:

    Sounds mean, but even some of our other friends saw it and called him a d-bag the last time we played.

    I just want to be even. His wife can't return a hard hit from me, so I don't target her. I expect the same respect in a friendly game...
     
  21. Cindysphinx

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    A lot of people fail to watch the opposing net player. They focus on the person in front of them. Or they look back to watch their partner habitually, so they need a moment to re-focus on the action in front of them.

    My guess is that about 80% of 3.5 female players and 70% of 4.0 female players do not move back one inch when a short lob goes up to the opposing net player.

    I make this mistake also, but I do know it is a mistake!
     
  22. leroy_sunset

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    Social - whatever.
    Competitive league - overhead at her feet.

    End of story.
     
  23. TennisCJC

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    Competitive match - hit the shot that gives you the best chance of winning. If they complain, use the Lendl line and say "I do not ask my opponents to come to the net". Honestly, everyone should know when to bail out as their opponent is about to kill them.

    Social match, try to avoid hitting women and keep it low if you go through their side.

    Once playing mixed, and the 5'2" women went at the net persons mid-section on almost every shot when she was inside the baseline. Her male partner served to my female partner on match point for us. My partner hit a good low return to the incoming servers feet. I crossed and hit my volley through the opposing female. I was not trying to go high but I was stretched out a bit and did not have the best control. My volley thrumped her in the left breast. Maybe it was poetic justice for all the head shots we had taken. I apoligized and it was sincere as I was not aiming there. My partner thought it was great though.
     
  24. rkelley

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    Doesn't survival instinct kick in? When I see that sitter land close in front of me and I'm at net, especially if it's an overhead, I'm outta there. Maybe it's a guy thing, but I've seen lots of guys (not great players) crack a sitter overhead into the 100 mph range. From 10 or 20 ft away there's no one that can handle that ball.
     
  25. omega4

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    This. I don't know why the OP is so confused about the situation.
     
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    F it.....Do it.
     
  27. mucat

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    If your opponent can really hammer the ball, don't move back, move to the side as quick as you can and at the same time turn around with the back facing the ball . If no time to move to the side, at least turn around.
     
  28. Cindysphinx

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    You mean *bail*?

    Never!! Defend that smash!

    Backpedal until opponent is hitting, then split, on toes, knees bent, racket up and in front. If you can reach the ball, block it back. If it is a weak smash, try a passing shot if opponent hit from a deep position.
     
  29. Fintft

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    I just had the opposite problem in men's doubles (first inter-club match): seeing that the opponents were very polite and tried to avoid hitting us at all cost; I kinda missed most volleys (at least for the good part of the first set), or not put them away(including on 3 consecutive ones- Same with overheads).
     
  30. Praetorian

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    Hmm.. never met a female on the opposing mixed doubles team that didn't appreciate being treated like a regular play (no men's or women's differentiation). In fact, I received more a few "Thanks, for not taking it EZ on me"
     
  31. paul500w

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    That what threw woman say after the match when they didn't get hit. Hour one and see how well they take it. I try not to hit woman but it happens and I'll say I'm sorry but they are ****ed. My wife it's cool when it happens because she understands it was my fault for setting her up like that.
     
  32. cak

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    I noticed the men playing club socials at my new club think this way also. I told my husband he is free to play the socials, but I'm sticking to setting up my own matches.

    When I play a social match I don't hit at anyone. I don't find it fun to be hit at, so why would I do that in a fun match.

    League matches are a different story. All bets are off there. On the other hand, league matches tend to be against players that are about the same level. I know not to play mixed leagues. That would be silly on my part.
     
  33. Loose Cannon

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    Agreed!!!

    When I play Mixed....Im swinging for the fence....I know no other gear. I have pegged a few females......not nearly as many as the guys I have hit, though.

    I don't even think its çhivalry' like the one guy suggested. I just don't think they know any better or know the proper strategies to move or shift out of the way.......unless they are strong 4.5's or more. Its mind boggling how out of position they are.
     
  34. mucat

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    Yes, bail, give up, etc.

    It is a game and we play it for fun though we play it seriously. But it is not worth losing an eye over it.
     
  35. Maui19

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    Perfect advice. Surprisingly, you will return a ton of balls doing this. I will bail if I'm in a 4.5 game and I can't put enough distance between me and the smasher, but that doesn't happen to often.
     
  36. Cindysphinx

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    Exactly. We actually practice doing this. It is a low percentage play -- the smash is an offensive shot, after all -- but if you stay just in front of the baseline and cover the easiest targets (cross court and middle), you can get some balls back.
     
  37. mucat

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    I used to do that. But a couple of my buddies got hit in the eyes and the smashed balls are coming back in the form of a blur more often then not. Some of us are actually wearing protective eyewear when playing doubles, don't know if people from other places are doing the same.
     

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