Mixed Feeling About Mixed

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  1. Cindysphinx

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    Well, my 7.0 mixed season is over, and I went 1-3.

    I honestly don't know what to make of mixed doubles. There's no doubt that it highlighted the deficiencies in my game and helped me know what I need to fix. And I can see ways in which my game is now stronger. When I play ladies, it seems like the serves are puffballs.

    But the dynamic in mixed is weird and unsettling at times. For one thing, at the 7.0 level, I am always the weakest player on the court. The pressure is intense. When I lost, I felt like I let my partner down. I don't feel that way when I lose in ladies doubles, as my partner probably blew as many balls as I did.

    The other unsettling thing about mixed is that guys can be . . . well . . . rigid and unyielding. I think when you are losing, you need to change something to turn things around. My male partners don't seem to buy this the way my female partners do. My suggestions to change (signaled poaches, play two back, take off pace, increase spin, stay back, lob, slow the pace of play) are brushed aside with "We just need to play better."

    And um . . . guys can be a little patronizing in a way I haven't seen in my women partners. In one match, we were struggling and my partner said to me, "Look, just because I don't call a serve long doesn't mean you have to play it." Huh? That's how we're going to claw our way back into the match-- calling the lines closer?

    I dunno. I like my team, so I'll probably be back rather than taking the easy way out and playing 6.0 mixed instead. Maybe these interpersonal issues will resolve themselves with time and experience, and maybe my groundstrokes will be ready for prime time by then also.

    Cindy -- also frustrated that it is obvious the male players have not read the rules when they ask what the penalty is in a tiebreaker for accidently playing some points while receiving on the wrong side of the court
     
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  2. Topaz

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    Cindy, do *NOT* play 6.0 mixed! Trust me on this one! If I play mixed again, it will be 7.0. Every 3.0 male partner I played with had one strategy->hit the ball as hard as possible. And the serve, too! Errors and double faults...EVERYWHERE! It was like some kind of testosterone macho-fest at every match.

    The one exception would be my partner Tony...but even he couldn't hold his serve 'cause he would just try to whack it harder and harder every time.

    YMMV, of course, but I am finding myself sorry that I played mixed this year.
     
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  3. PBODY99

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    There is a saying " Men can lose a Mixed match, but the women win it." When players on both teams are close to each other in level of course. This holds true in level of play. If your male partner can play the other man even & you can outplay the women, you'll win.
    Changing tactics when for most players is fairly limited, as we are not that skillful. If we had more command of the wide variety of shots, we wouldn't be playing 7.0, as this is usually seen in 4.5 and above players.
    30 years of mixed leads me to really believe that the finding someone you can play with is an art, which doesn't have as much to do with skill as personality.
    I find it interesting that players complain about softly hit balls. Learn to handle those and your game will improve.m
    My 2 cents.
     
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    I'd even say "If your male partner can't outplay the other man, but you can outplay the other woman - you'll win." (This is assuming the male guys are better than the women - something not necessarily true).

    I played in a small Mixed league last summer for the first time and I found it really fun and a bit more relaxing than the mens league. This might have been since the lady I was playing with was really good and thus I mainly concentrated on keeping the ball in play (and mostly targeting the other guy - who then would try to target my partner - and be really surprised when his balls would come back, with added pace - time after time after time :).

    The ball would typically end when my partner attacked the other teams ladies - she didn't have any internal limits of hitting hard balls their way the way I had (and much of the balls pace was infact generated by the other teams male player :).

    Now, this was a very small league (three teams) and the level varied a lot between the teams. We played two singles (one man-man, one woman-woman) and one mixed doubles and most of the guys were better than me so I typically lost my singles, whereas she would win her singles and then we would win our doubles match :)
     
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  5. A.Davidson

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    Since I'm only in high school, I've never played mixed doubles. I hear that positioning is even more important because of the different body types and strengths/weaknesses...Do you guys find mixed to be more competitive/interesting than one gender doubles?
     
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    The upside of being the weakest player on the court whether it is true or not is you probably get a lot more balls than your partner. If you can serve consistently and return serves successfully you are more than holding up your end of the partnership.
     
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  7. lordmanji

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    well i also have mixed feelings about mixed doubles. the bad parts are that i was paired many times with real 2.5 women who either missed the ball or hit the ball so softly (serve as well) that i was basically a sitting duck at net. also its really hard to be motivated and get a rhythm going when you're basically giving away half the points each time when the ball goes to them.

    the good parts were that when i did find a good consistent partner there was a lot of communication.

    i honestly think i couldve beaten most of the guys in mixed doubles had it been singles or i had consistent men or women partners esp. towards the end.

    and to the poster who said it was intense, i felt the same way. i didnt realize how much one match could mean. a couple of times due to all the pressure my legs would WOBBLE at the start of my serve(i usually elected to serve first), something that never happens anywhere else.
     
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    Old heycal would never play points in the wrong side of court during a tie-breaker since he is very focused and aware at such moments, but if he did happen to do this someday, um... what would be the penalty for playing some points on the wrong side of the court, Cintillating Sphinx?
     
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    Old heycal would never play points in the wrong side of court during a tie-breaker since he is very focused and aware at such moments, but if he did happen to do this someday, um... what would be the penalty for playing some points on the wrong side of the court, Cintillating Sphinx?

    FYI - When I saw the title of this thread in the index, I had a pretty good idea who the OP would be ;)
     
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  10. Cindysphinx

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    :) Heycal, you crack me up!

    It's a trick question. There is no penalty. All points played in good faith count. When the mistake is discovered, the players assume the correct position and carry on.

    OK, Topaz, I will stay away from 6.0. Better to go down swinging at 7.0. Besides, my service return when I play women is rock solid now, and I attribute this to having to hit dudes' serves all winter.

    A.Davidson, mixed is a whole different animal, IMHO. Since there is (on my team, anyway) an imbalance between the two partners, all kinds of things can get out of kilter. The woman can get too conservative, causing the guy to try to play harder and get wild, for one thing. It's also weird to have one opponent *blasting* the ball at you and the other doing different things (lobbing, etc.) that my women opponents tended to do.

    And it really pays to be able to serve with variety, as women can be more easily flummoxed by spin than dudes, in my experience. So with the lady I often use as much spin as I can generate, whereas with the dudes, I often try to crack it right at them. So far, none of the dudes has fallen to their knees lunging for one of my middle-aged serves, but I keep trying. :)
     
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  11. heycal

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    I knew it was a trick and yet I still fell for it!:-o After I wrote that I said to myself, "wait a minute, there's no 'penalty' at all in that situation..."

    But tell me this while we're on the subject: Do you assume the correct position even if you just served from that spot, meaning might you serve twice in a row to the ad court or something depending on when you realized the mistake? And what if in a doubles match, player A, B, and D serves, but player C forgets? When and how does one rectify that situation?

    Let's hear some answers, Cindbadthesailorsphinx!
     
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  12. Cindysphinx

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    I don't know.

    So I will do what I would do on a tennis court if I didn't wish to look it up.

    For the first question . . . Um . . . Yes, you assume the correct position, even if it means you serve both of your points to the same receiver.

    For the second situation where Player C has a mini-stroke and forgets to serve . . . C should serve when the current server finishes, and the parties should then continue with Player A.

    Anyone want to tell me if I guessed right?
     
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  13. ibringtheHEAT

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    what the #($* are you talking about??

    mixed doubles is played in high school, you must go to some "special" school.
     
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  14. oldguysrule

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    Do you think it's possible that not all states play mixed doubles? It is a recent addition here in Texas, so maybe we are one of the first to add it. Just a thought.
     
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  15. travlerajm

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    I don't have any experience at 7.0 mixed, but I've been playing the last couple of years in 8.0 and 9.0 leagues.

    At the 8.0, the team with the strongest guy on the court usually wins. That is, if there is a 5.0ish guy playing as 4.5 (which is my case), I'll usually be strong enough to take over the match by stationing my 3.5 partner 3 feet from the net and making sure that I handle all of the lobs. My partner still gets a lot of shots sent her way, but she is close enough to the net to always hit downward into the court. The best 8.0 teams tend to be 4.5male/3.5female combos.

    At 9.0, the team with the strongest woman usually wins, because the players are good enough to make it too hard for one player to take over. The best 9.0 teams are usually either 5.0female/4.0male or 4.5/4.5 combos. Even at 9.0, I found that the best strategy is to keep my partner super-close to the net, so that she is liberated from the duty of fielding lobs, and she rarely needs to hit up on the ball.

    Every female who is experienced at mixed doubles has learned that crowding the net is the only option for consistent success in mixed if she is the weaker link on the court.
     
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  16. AndrewD

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    How long have you been playing mixed doubles?
     
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  17. sue20852

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    Very true. It is a lot of fun for the winning team.
     
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  18. Topaz

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    We didn't play mixed at my high school...maybe you should be open to the idea that not every place is the same.
     
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  19. Topaz

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    Really? I've got one 6.0 match left...maybe I'll give this a shot. Unless, of course, my male partner can't move (and we have a few of them on my team) and cover the lobs.
     
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  20. tennis-n-sc

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    When our mixed team is making a serious attempt at winning, we love to see a 2.5/3.0 lady with a 4.0 guy. Guess who is gonna get the whuppin'. Oh, we'll crack a few floaters at the 4.0 guy every once and awhile just to let him know we know he is there. Unless the 3.0 lady is very, very good, they are should always lose to legitimate 3.5 players. And, beware of crowding the net.
     
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    heh I just played a match like this. Since I was the strongest player even though I don't really play that much doubles, I was paired with the weakest which was a 3.0 female. I held my two service games and we lost all the other games against two 3.5 mixed players. Basically I rarely hit the ball because everything was hit at my partner. We tried an I formation to mix it up but I got hit in the back of the head on a serve :D
     
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  22. Topaz

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    My neighbor is a 4.0 guy, and we did a small tournament together, and had no problem winning. (I'm a 3.0) I'd love to get on a 7.0 team with him as my partner, and when I'm playing my best, I can hold my own against 3.5s. I don't know...it is a long time until the next mixed season here, and hopefully I will actually move up to 3.5 by then.
     
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  23. lordmanji

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    ha that reminds me of a set i just played yesterday. the other team consisted of a 3.0 who used to be 4.0 when he was younger and a 3.5 guy. im a 3.0-3.5 guy myself and my partner was a 2.5. well i can honestly say i saw about five balls the entire set. once when they drop shotted me, once when they drop shotted my partner and i ran and covered it, twice when they hit it weak crosscourt and i poached and once when they hit it to me after i poached and resumed hitting crosscourts to my partner.

    my partner gave it a good go, but he has a bad knee and they drop shotted him on many of his serves.

    needless to say, we lost 0-6 (my partner served twice) and its very hard to play and get a rhythm in this situation.
     
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  24. volleyman

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    While not as skilled as tj, I have to disagree with his blanket statement here.

    First off, relieving the woman of having to chase lobs works only if the guy is fast enough to chase everything down and get into a position to hit a good hot.

    I'm not slow, but I'm not that fast. :)

    Second, at least at the 8.0 Mixed level around here, two back is a workable formation. Also, most 3.5 - 4.0 women I've played with have much stronger groundstroke games than net games, meaning that it in some cases, our best plan is to have me freelancing at the net, and them covering the lobs and things that get by me. This allows me to do what I do best, attack, and allows them to play to their strengths, which makes them much happier and more confident.

    In the end, it all depends on what strengths and weakness you and your partner each bring to the table, just like in same sex doubles. Having the woman crowding the net can work, but so can playing two back, having the woman cover the baseline and the guy the net or whatever other combination maximizes your strengths and covers your weaknesses.
     
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  25. heycal

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    Ah, I wish my gf went in for that 'freelancing' stuff when we play mixed doubles together...
     
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  26. travlerajm

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    I eat 8.0 teams that try to play these ways for lunch. :)

    I sometimes see 8.0 teams during the season that play 2 back or with the female back, but when you get to sectionals, those teams are gone, and the only teams remaining are the ones with gals who crowd the net and have speedy partners. (except for a few ringer teams with 5.0 gals)
     
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  27. EZRA

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    I agree with travlerajm.. The court is way too open for 2 back formation.. no pressure at all. In my area (NYC), most 4.0 women doesn't have the groundies to create pressure. Given that it's mixed doubles, all the balls go to the weaker individual (the female) and if she can't hold her own back there (and all she does is put the ball back) then they're in deep trouble.
     
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  28. volleyman

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    I've lost to you - not you personally, but the generic you - a speedy a 5.0 guy playing down at 4.5, partnered with a 3.5 woman who he parked atop the net at the singles sideline. My partner was a solid 4.0 woman solid from all areas of the court, and we played textbook attacking doubles: both up at the net.

    It was an interesting match. I was mighty impressed by the guy's court coverage, consistency, power and accuracy. I also found myself wondering why he was down here in 8.0 mixed beating on players nowhere close to him, instead of playing at the level he obviously belonged.

    And before you challenge my assertion about this particular guy's level, let me point out the computer agreed with me, and bumped him up to 5.0 at the end of the year.

    Also, as much as I want to win, and I hate losing with a passion, I can't bring myself to ask my partner to be an oversized net post. I know it might cost me, but it just doesn't work for me.

    That statement isn't a judgement on you or your strategy, by the way. Just because I can't bring myself to play that way, doesn't mean it's wrong. I assume your partner agrees with your strategy, otherwise she wouldn't play with you. :)

    A good number of the 4.0 women I've played with have had solid, powerful groundstrokes and have been able to create pressure from the baseline. The net has been the more problematic area for my partners.
     
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  29. EZRA

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    The standards in your area may be higher than mine... here, the 4.0 women are hardly competent except for a few who are really solid up at the net and consistent enough from the baseline but none of them can really give you pressure from the baseline.
    Regardless... in doubles, the points are mostly won from the net.. if both of you are at the baseline, chances are you're gonna be under pressure and at the defensive.
     
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  30. Raiden.Kaminari

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    While I agree with volleyman, I have to strongly agree with travlerjm. It is OK in regular league play for pairs that don't attack the net, but playing double back is weaker than double up. While double back is better than one up, one down.

    Having a female that is either a lob expert or a angle hitter against pace would helpful against more pairs (especially if she keeps lobbing to the female and not to the speedy male), but they also have to be fast enough to cover the drop shots that you can bet are headed towards the double back formation. And if you're partnered with the lob expert, I hope you have fast enough reactions to cover the occasional overheads to your body.

    However, I strongly agree with volleyman that by post season, you only see the more aggressive, under-rated sandbaggers anyways :(
     
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  31. EZRA

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    Raiden... I disagree about the double-back is better than one up and one down. Double back leaves no pressure at all... you really have to depend on your consistency and depth to win points with double back... while with one up one down, you only have half a court open to your opponent, and up the net.. you can always poach, kill a pop-up return, and set up plays.

    At least that's what I think.
     
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  32. Geezer Guy

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    I haven't really been keeping track, but it seems like MOST of the posts above have a stronger male playing with a weaker female. I don't play a LOT of Mixed, but when I do I usually see a stronger female matched with a weaker male (according to NTRP ratings). This produces a more even team, with both players being of roughly equal skill and giving the opponents less of an obvious choice on where to aim their shots.

    Personally, I don't like playing Mixed at all. When I am pressured into it, if I'm paired with a weaker partner I really hate it. If I have a strong partner, it's (sometimes) almost enjoyable.
     
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  33. SlapShot

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    I played mixed 8.0 this last winter, and we didn't fare too well.

    I don't know if I'd play mixed again. My partners that I was paired with scared me at times. Let me say one thing - if you're playing doubles, get your first serve in. I can't count how many times I ended up having a bullet returned at me on my partner's second serve. That doesn't happen nearly as much in men's 4.0 leagues.

    I might still play, just to play a little bit more casual league tennis, but I'll definitely be more selective when it comes to partners.
     
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  34. EZRA

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    That's the best combination IMO for a good 8.0 team... a strong 4.5 female and a strong 3.5 male. You're absolutely right.
     
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  35. kevhen

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    I played 8.0 last year and went 2-3. It is a different game with the women having different expectations of what you should do compared to men.

    One woman was a baseline slicer similar to myself but she had no footspeed but we had fun and split our 2 matches.

    Another woman was very quick and liked to poach alot but she didn't realize the other team was just lobbing her poaches. We started to play back more and poached less to cover their lobs and we pulled out a close one.

    The last woman was a very weak 4.0 with quickness but no volley or overhead skills and she couldn't serve to the opposing woman's forehand like I suggested since this woman's backhand return was killing us. This woman told me to be more aggressive since the opposing team would pick on her when they had the chance. But when I missed one high overhead, she told me that I should have let that one go back to her at the baseline. So it was frustrating to play with her since she wouldn't listen to what I was saying and I wasn't able to do what she wanted me to do.

    I would rather team a 4.5 woman with a strong 3.5 guy but have seen 4.5 guys win with a solid 3.5 woman who can volley. I did notice that in mixed since you need less players for a meet that most teams have strong players for their level.

    So ideally a team could take the best 3.5 women's player at their club and team with the best 4.5 man and then put the best two 4.0s together and then put the best 4.5 woman with the best 3.5 man to have a very strong 8.0 team.
     
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  36. Nick Irons

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    Mixed Doubles is fun when there are some hot chicks on the court.

    Hot chicks who have game are cool.
     
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  37. dennis1188

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    I know i hv trouble when my (FM) partner gets lobbed down the line and does not move over. I only see the back of her head as I line up my forehand down the line.
     
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  38. J011yroger

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    Problem is, especially as you get up in levels, it is really tough to find girls that are good. There are way way more guy players. I am looking for a mixed partner here, and they are not easy to find. So it is tough for a guy to find a girl who is better than him. If I ever want to enter a mixed tournament, I will probably have to play with one of the junior girls I coach.


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  39. dennis1188

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    I agree my best 'mixed' experience was w/ a strong usta 4.0 FM partner.
    I was cramping at change over in 10 point tie breaker (7pm temp 38 degrees,5 sets in two matches that day). My FM partner says, 'I don't want to hear about it! (just serve). I go out and serve a winner so we can go home. It took me 15mins, to get my cramping legs to the parking lot. Two usta wins that day.
     
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  40. Serve em Up

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    Please forgive my ignorance here. I don't want this to come off as chauvanistic in any way. I've only played "mixed" once or twice.

    When playing mixed is it inappropriate for the men to "target" the women players hitting hard at them just as they would the man on the team?

    Or is it expected that the male take it easy on the woman opponent. (assuming she is at a lower level than the male)

    If the woman was at a significantly lower level than the man I would feel uncomfortable targeting hard shots at her. If you win with this strategy don't you get a bad reputation for taking advantage of the woman's lack of ability.

    I've seen matches at my club where the male players hit obviously harder on shots hit to the male player on the other side.

    Sorry, but I had too ask.
     
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  41. EZRA

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    Serve Em Up: Depends on the importance of the match really... if it's just a friendly match, yeah.. I hold back on my shots, especially my serve. But on a league match in which I really need to win, yeah.. I hit hard from both sides, hit dipping topspins when she's at the net.. volley to her feet if I'm up at the net, etc.... but no, I would never try and hit her.

    I don't think you'd get a bad reputation since it's common practice anyways, and if a woman play at a certain level, she needs to make sure that she can handle herself at that level. If not, don't even bother.
     
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  42. Caswell

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    I used to hit easier to the women I played in mixed, until I realized that if they can't handle the pace they should play back.

    I don't serve flat to most women, but that's only because the ones I play have a harder time returning a kick serve at shoulder height than they do blocking a flat serve.
     
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  43. Cindysphinx

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    I've never been hit in mixed. I've only been hit by other 3.0 women.

    Most of the time, the guys will test me out one time at the net in mixed. If I make the volley for a winner (I usually do; remember, I'm playing that net awfully tight), they don't try again. They don't cut me a break at all on the serve. I've noticed that the men tend to send me spin serves ('cause I clearly suck at returning them) but they send my male partner more heat.

    I'd be interested to hear what the other ladies who play mixed have to say about this.
     
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  44. SlapShot

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    I played full out toward both players when I played mixed. I've actually played some matches where the female had better pace than the male did.

    I also tend to hit more kick seves to the women, because they are typically (but not always) a little bit shorter, so a kick serve sitting at shoulder height for them tends to be trouble.
     
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  45. Topaz

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    I've never been hit by a guy in mixed...though I did hit a guy with one of my shots. Not on purposed, just happened that way.

    Yeah, I hate trying to return kick serves. I have a much easier time with flat pace.

    And, fwiw, I play mixed knowing full well there is going to be a guy across the court from me...and as others have said, if I feel I can't handle it, I'll back up.
     
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  46. JRstriker12

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    I had one of the worst experinces playing in a mixed doubles on a tennis team.

    Not my partner's fault, mostly our team manager's fault.

    First match me and my partner lost in a tie breaker. Very close and a very fun game. It was down hill from there.

    I'd have a different partner nearly every match and one of my partners that I played with several times could not stick a volley. The other team would just pick on her, then my manager would look at me like, you're supposed to be a strong player, why did you loose?

    I think I went about 1-5 that season. I finally got a partner who could hang in in the last game and we beat a very strong team.

    At the end of the season, the manager asked me to leave the team so he could make room for stronger players. I just hope he brought in stronger partners for the mixed doubles.
     
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  47. cak

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    I only play mixed socially, and I do hit harder to the better player. In some games it's the woman. As for USTA, I'm holding out for 50 mixed. By then I'm hoping a) my husband and I add up to an even number so I can play with him again and b) the guys over 50 are gentlemen, and aren't aiming at the women to go for a chance at Nationals. If they are 50 years old and still trying to scare the women at net, I'll just cross USTA mixed off my list.

    What I'm really, really hoping for is a league where the men cannot be rated higher than their partner. I'm a 3.5 woman. I have no qualms against playing against a 3.5 guy hitting at me. There is no way I'm playing against a 4.0 guy that feels his manhood is at stake if he doesn't hit at me. And around here, that's what 7.0 mixed is.
     
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  48. jkonecne

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    Sounds like you just need a new partner. I've always had fun in mixed doubles...when I'm playing with the right people. There are always those players that just don't have chemistry and that you just don't play well with. Also just try to have more fun, you sound like you want to win so bad that you put too much pressure on yourself.
     
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  49. Kaptain Karl

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    I'm the Boys Team Coach here (Colorado). We don't play Mixed. (Boys' season is in the Fall; Girls' is in the Spring. That alone would make it kinda tough.)

    - KK
     
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  50. heycal

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    You're on to our little trick, Cinnabonsphinx! Since we know it looks bad to serve hard to women, we use spin serves instead, which have the dual benefit of making it look like we're being gentlemen by easing off but actually causing women more trouble than a harder flat serve would. (By the way, if you ever solve the mystery of why women are baffled by spin, please let me know.)

    I've only played mixed socially, and one does need to adjust their game accordingly. I remember playing with my girlfriend against another couple in a tough match. On matchpoint in a tie-breaker, I'm set to serve to the opposing woman. I asked my gf "Can I go for it here?" and she said "it's up to you" in a way that suggested I should not. I didn't. We lost. She indicated later that she was pleased I had eased off even though we ended up losing. (I think I need a more cutthroat galpal!)

    Another story while we're on the subject: My gf invites me to fill in for a missing player in a chick doubles match, so it's me and three other women on the court, with me and my gf playing together. Second point of the match I get an overhead opportunity and WHAM! I accidentally nail one of our opponents (the one I'd never met before...)

    I apologized up and down, but still it was tres embarassing if not downright traumatizing...
     
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