Mixed Martial Arts (MMA) thread

Discussion in 'Odds & Ends' started by aceX, Jan 15, 2012.

  1. Ronaldo

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    Why is Mark Munoz on a free-per-view?
     
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    Because Mark Munoz cannot sell a pay-per-view. No one outside the hardcores know who he is. Put him on a free card, maybe people see him and get interested and will buy the PPV if he ever co-headlines.
     
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    I think this time Silva will go Machida and be all elusive. I think he he will try to pop shots while moving around and avoiding the takedown. Having said that, Silva's weakness seems to me against wrestlers, he had a rough start against Henderson and Travis Lutter. I am eager to see how it unfolds. I like this card, it will be fun to watch.
     
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    hey guys. my friend challenged me to a jiu jitsu roll. any tips? haha.
     
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    Just Like That, Game, Set, Match, Chad Money Mendes Wins! Shot to the Solar Plexus, forgetaboutit. And Just Like This, Demian Maia snaps Kim's ribs. 47 seconds. Cung Lee finally wins his 1st fight in the Octagon at 40.
     
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  7. Ronaldo

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    Ortiz better step up in the 3rd
     
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    Finally, Sonnen v Silva! OMG!!!! Here We GO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! RD 1 to Sonnen. KO Silva Rd 2
     
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    Silva is the GOAT
     
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    And let's have a BBQ
     
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    He got warned 4 times and they all prevented take downs. He and Aldo both cheat to stop takedowns, neither of them are really good at stopping them. The bull rush is how you beat silva. Close the distance and don't allow him to use his length or set up his strikes. It worked for 6 rounds and then Chael stops for no f'ing reason.

    Rashad would get destroyed, he'd lose too much strength from the cut imo. Bisping would get out struck all day. Weidman or Munoz or maybe Hendo if he can make a good cut again have a shot. Lombard will probably get the next shot though if he wins.

    Hendo did the same thing with Anderson, dominated the first round then abandoned his wrestling. Lutter had a full mount and then just gave up. Anderson really could've easily lost 4 times in the UFC if these guys didn't have huge egos and try to out strike him.

    And I never saw a replay, just the live shot. Def looked like a knee to the bottom of his face. Even if it wasn't Silva was def aiming for it, I would too if someone talked sht about my girl lol
     
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    That's what I saw. Sonnen got cocky and diverted from the game plan that Silva still doesn't have an answer for.

    I don't see any good fights at middleweight (for the belt). Silva needs to go up to 205 and fight Jones. Next yr's Super Bowl event. Dana, break out the checkbook and make it worth it to him.
     
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    Anyone watching Fight Night on Fuel TV?
     
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    TERRIBLE stoppage on Munoz. He took about 6 or 7 shots too many. Just awful. How many times does his head have to bounce off the mat while blood spills out before you step in?
     
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    Did not see that elbow from Weidman that ended this bout. Can see now who will headline a PPV.
     
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    the real question I have is why isnt Silva at 205 by now. He has the size for it and the challenges at 185 are slim to none for him after this. There are some great match ups at 205 for him to take on but it just seems like that wont happen.
     
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    The Welterweight, Middleweight, and Lt Hvyweight Champs have reduced the viable challengers to just one or two per year. Lt Hvy was a revolving door of champs.
     
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    I agree, I thought it went on for longer than it needed.

    That elbow was insane though, ducking that overhand right and almost letting Munoz walk into it.

    Silva and Weidman could be pretty interesting.
     
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    if the knee was illegal (it was not), it wouldn't be the first time for Silva
    anyone remember the illegal kick that resulted in disqualification for Silva in the fight with Yushin Okami?
    then even after the ref stopped the fight and separated him from Okami, he still tried to go after the badly stunned Okami laying on the ground
    he was pissed because Okami was dominating him on the ground

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3l8jABw4sR8

    similar situation in this last fight
    he was pissed after being dominated, man-handled on the ground in the first round
    Sonnen had a Urijah Faber moment and there was the opportunity
    Silva went for the knee on a down opponent.
    He was fortunate that it landed in Sonnen's chest instead of the head.
    Otherwise it would have been another disqualification.

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    Looks like the upper part hit the face before the rest hit the chest.
     
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    It may have been illegal, but close enough to not call it IMO.

    I dont think Anderson cared if it was illegal or not, he was simply trying to knock his teeth out.

    Chael at least made Silva try. Until that he had some terrible performances. Sonnen did not mean anything personal he just had to take the talk way further than what would be necessary for a normal person to get involved and try to sell fights. Sonnen plays the heel role as well as anybody. Why else would anyone care about some lay and pray guy enough to watch his fights. Maybe Jon Fitch should have taken a page outta Chaels book.
     
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    that was definitely his intention - to knock Sonnen's teeth out - whether it was illegal or not
    would've been funny if it happened and then Silva invited the toothless Sonnen to come over for a bbq as he did in the post fight interview :lol:
     
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    Bring back pride rules please. That shouldnt be illegal in anyway. Guy is on his ass what are you supposed to can you please stand up so I can kick you or please lay down so I can enter guard?
     
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    Bring back pride rules, and not be able to show MMA on TV. yea thats fine I dont watch it anymore anyway. Its getting stale. At least this Silva Sonnen build up was entertaining.
     
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    Soccer kicks? Gotta love the Best of Pride.
     
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    Zuffa has every weekend locked up
     
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    This country is such a sissified one. Punch, elbow, and choke him out but dont you dare knee or kick. That makes no sense. Its a freaking combat sport and because of the way they did things wrestlers are so heavily favored that they are killing the sport.
     
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    I agree with you 100%. I thought those pride fights were way better than UFC. UFC rules make it favorable to take down and jon fitch the guy. Even without the knees and soccer kicks and what not they let the guys lay to long. If the bottom guy can nuetralize the top guy from doing anything stand them back up.

    Nobody is saying its a real fight no holds barred. Or else they could eyegouge, use small joint locks, front kicks to knee caps, straight elbows, and anything else. the fights are getting repetitive and boring, and a 2 second KO or sub isant saving the previous 8 minutes of blaah.
     
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    Pride also issued cards for laying on guys. Similiar to soccer to keep the action moving along which I would like to see make a comeback. The sport has a ton of potential to really succeed where boxing failed but they wont change some things.

    First time I ever got my dad to watch an event was Shields vs Hendo. Shields dry humped him so bad my dad laughed and said they should check him for love stains. He has never watched again so stuff like that doesnt help the sport.

    Grappling is good but it needs to be advancing your position or trying to do something. Not hey if I lay on you I win because of ring control.
     
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    They make too much money right now.

    That could be all it takes, you lay on a guy get a card. 2nd card 1 pt deduction. They lay to win rounds, take away the abilty to win rounds by laying and force the guyto try to pass guard or sub someone.
     
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    i though UFC was made to promote jiu jitsu or something like that? and thats how they get to stay on tv because its relatively non violent? not really sure, just the small stuff i read while trying to learn to jj roll haha
     
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    It was started by the gracies mainly to promote gracie jits. However it evolved and wrestlers really started to learn how to stuff subs and hence we have the lay and pray. They get on top and just lay there throwing tiny little pops to say they are doing something.

    It was more violent when it started and they got banned from ppv. There was barely any rules. There was one fighter who tore off the other guys cup and went to town trying to pound his nuts. It was very violent in the first events.
     
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    Hecter Lombard putting us asleep, saw this in Bellator too. Looks small, OMG Boetsch wins, split decision. Spider was right, he ain't ready.

    Btw, Uriah looks short, even in five. Here We Go..............Barao win, blank the boobirds.
     
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    I agree - but not for the same reason (aka sissified). The fighters are redlining on adrenaline; the other guy is trying to maim them. But they're supposed to analyse the situation and rules when they see an opening? Stupid.

    A few more cards like last night will take care of that.

    Who won? Looks pretty close... :)
     
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    Cormier vs. Mir should be a good fight. I'd put my money on The Black Fedor.
     
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    Ya the Black Fedor is da bomb. Haven't seen much of a weakness so far, but Mir is hoping its his sub defense.

    So how long till MMA is an olympic sport. There is already boxing , wrestiling, TKD, Judo? Since they can't fight consecutive bouts due to probably injuries, it would have to be a team format, where there were backups in weight classes.
     
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    Just don't see it ever happening. Not feasible. Too many injuries, exhaustion, etc. Even a team format wouldn't work. Having 5 people in every weight class as backups would defeat the whole purpose of it. Not to mention it's too violent to fit into the olympic mold. Boxing in the olympics is all about point fighting and they wear head guards. It's not even the same game as boxing professionally.

    I could see BJJ becoming an olympic sport, and I kind of think it should.
     
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    The Olympics have enough as is. They wont add more nor should they.
     
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    Cormier discussed Mir crossing over to StrikeForce in an interview w/Dr. Ferdie Pacheco on Showtime Championship Boxing tonight.
     
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    I used to be big into MMA starting around 2006/7 or so. BJ's rematch with Hughes showed me how creative and skilled an MMA fighter could be.

    Lately, I've become a casual/intermittent fan. The quality of cards has dropped very sharply. Folding WEC into the UFC was a horrible mistake from an entertainment perspective. WEC fights were crazy fun to watch. In the UFC, the same fights and fighters oddly enough, don't seem to generate much excitement.
     
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    They still do. But the only the fights that would have been WEC main events even make a UFC main card. Everything else is relegated to the prelims which we either never see or just feels less important.

    I've lost a little interest from 07-08 too when I was really into it. I think a lot of it has to do with their being too much stagnation within each division. Here's what things look like:

    BW: Dominick Cruz - 4 defenses
    FW: Jose Aldo - 5 defenses
    LW: Ben Henderson - 0 defenses, but division is stuck in a perpetual state of rematches
    WW: GSP - 7 defenses (if you count unifying the title), and division has been tied up forever with injuries and an interim belt that hasn't been defended.
    MW: Anderson Silva - 10 defenses
    LHW: Jon Jones - 3 defenses, but no end in sight
    HW: Junior Dos Santos - 1 defense

    I think having dominant champions is good to an extent. But these divisions are stuck. Either the same people keep rotating title shots, or guys who barely deserve the shot are getting a crack at it. It was probably like that 4-5 years ago too, but it didn't feel that way.
     
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    The UFC assimilating Pride's talent was exciting but many stars from 5 yrs ago are just too old. And guys rarely fight more than twice a year.
     
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    I wonder how many countries a sport would have to have traction in to even be considered. I doubt there are currently enough. One thing for Dana to take it on the road - another to have fighters in enough countries. Baseball and softball were taken out - not enough interest AND the US medaling too much.
     
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    I think interest in it could be a problem, although I know it is a big sport here in the UK, you'd of thought the South American and Asian fans would be keen on it too. I wouldn't of thought there would be too many problems getting enough Nations to take part, earlier in the year in Sweden the UFC had 10 Nationalities represented for instance. There are big names from all over the World too, Brazil, Canada, USA, UK, France, Asia, Russia have some decent fighters etc..

    It won't happen, but could you imagine seeing the fans in Brazil in 4 years time supporting their own going for a gold? It would probably be second only to the football in terms of importance for them.
     

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