Mixed Martial Arts (MMA) thread

Discussion in 'Odds & Ends' started by aceX, Jan 15, 2012.

  1. West Coast Ace

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    Sorry. Someone gave me bum info - but he was a cop.

    Losing didn't; running out of the octagon crying like a 12 yr old did cause a revocation of his man card.
     
  2. fightfan

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    Ya, a former LHW UFC champ lost to a much lighter fighter basically by a retreating jab. That was a strange scene. As much as I dislike the guy, Anderson Silva is clearly the Fed of MMA. He's just so fluid, and you simply cannot deny the ridiculous results he's had. I like GSP more, but the Spider finishes fights much better.
     
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    When you get into an octagon with Silva you can then judge his man card. Until then your a female anatomy on a forum. :)
     
  4. GRANITECHIEF

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    Two shows on this eve 5pm pst
    UFC on FX featuring:
    MAIN CARD
    Travis Browne (-240) vs. Antonio Silva(+200)
    Jake Ellenberger (-360) vs. Jay Hieron (+300)

    and

    Bellator 75 heavyweights on MTV2

    Heavyweight Eric Prindle vs Thiago Santos
    Heavyweight Brett Rogers vs Alexander Volkov
    Heavyweight Richard Hale vs Mike Wessel
    Heavyweight Vinicius Queiroz vs Mark Holata

    Fun battles!
     
  5. Ronaldo

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    Any thoughts on the passing of Jeff Blatnick? Remember him in the early days of the UFC as an announcer. Believe he also judged bouts.
     
  6. West Coast Ace

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    Did anyone see the Cung Le - Ace Franklin fight? Wow! That's how to throw a counter right.
     
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  8. Ronaldo

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    GSP 50-45????? Hendricks/GSP next?
     
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    Might have been 49-46, but I wasn't that shocked by the 2 judges calling it 50-45. Even though Condit nearly finished him in Round 3, GSP controlled more than half of that round. Regardless, that was an awesome fight. I know it is not going to happen, but I would rather see Diaz GSP more than anything. GSP looked nervous, almost scared during his entrance. I could not even imagine how nerve-wracking that would be, I think in would have an emotional breakdown on my way to the octagon.

    Also, Lawlor got robbed and Hendricks looks scary.
     
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    Probably GSP / Hendricks next. Should be good.

    Saturday Fox card looks good as well, like really good.

    Main Card (Fox)
    Weight Class Method Round Time Notes
    Lightweight title: Benson Henderson (c) vs. Nate Diaz
    Light Heavyweight: Maurício Rua vs. Alexander Gustafsson
    Welterweight: B.J. Penn vs. Rory MacDonald
    Welterweight: Mike Swick vs. Matt Brown
    Preliminary Card (FX)
    Lightweight Yves Edwards vs. Jeremy Stephens
    Bantamweight Raphael Assunção vs. Mike Easton
    Lightweight Ramsey Nijem vs. Joe Proctor
    Lightweight Daron Cruickshank vs. Henry Martinez
    Lightweight Tim Means vs. Abel Trujillo
    Featherweight Dennis Siver vs. Nam Phan
    Preliminary Card (Facebook)
    Bantamweight Scott Jorgensen vs. John Albert
     
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    Diaz UD FOTN
    Gustafsson SD
    MacDonald 3rd Round TKO KOOTN
    Swick by whatever
    Stephens by assault
    Easton 2nd round ko
    Proctor
    Martinez
    Means
    Siver UD
    Jorgenson UD
     
  12. T1000

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    Silva..........el oh f'ing el
     
  13. Feña14

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    Looked to me like he didn't want it anymore, for me the second fight against Sonnen was the last time he really wanted to win.

    Don't know if this means he's looking to fight Jones or St-Pierre, now he doesn't have any title responsibilities it could be easier.
     
  14. Ronaldo

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    Loss by KO takes away The Spider's Glow. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oMj-kbjPuBg
     
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    So disappointing.
     
  16. Ronaldo

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    Finally Dana White will announce Rousey/Silva/Tate/Weidman mxd tag match on 12/28 fight at 6:30 pm on Sportscentre. Spider will kiss everyone at the weigh-in.

    p.s. eh
     
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  17. mcpon

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    I think that Silva thought Weidman was another Bonnar by going back to the cage like he did with Bonnar after the, I think, missed spinning back kick.
     
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    I heard Weidman interviewed on a sports talk radio show this week --- nice to hear a champion in any sport who comes across as so humble and deferential.
     
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    No matter what Dana said, I still think a Silva super-fight would beat out Weidman-Silva II.
     
  21. Ronaldo

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    Silva-Aldo
     
  22. mcpon

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    ^ Nah. I remember Anderson saying that if Aldo was a middleweight, he would retire because he's that good.
     
  23. Ronaldo

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    Thought about Aldo when the Henderson/Pettis re-match was announced. Would beat both
     
  24. Feña14

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    Probably. Although Edgar gave him a pretty good run for his money in the second half of their fight. Edgar is good, but meh.
     
  25. Ronaldo

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    Blows when these guys fight twice/yr. Then they get injured. May never see a great match-up.
     
  26. Feña14

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    Yeah, it's crazy how often fight cards end up looking totally different to the one originally announced. It's not unusual for 3-4 of the original match ups to get pulled due to injuries.

    Never a dull moment :)
     
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    ^ Which results in sometimes delivering better cards but mostly worse. And compounds mixing things up like that along with injuries are positive test results and unwillingness to co-promote.
     
  28. Feña14

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    That's true. Would be interesting to know if some of the fighters who pull out have actually tested positive and are just suspended.
     
  29. Ronaldo

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    Failed to notice fighters unwilling to co-promote.
     
  30. mcpon

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    ^ I meant organizations, which causes us to miss out on matches like Chandler-Henderson. Sorry about it being badly explained; I was just listing things that causes us to miss out on certain matches which included that, positive test results and injuries.
     
  31. Ronaldo

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    Seems Michael Chandler and Ben Askren have been inactive for a year or more. And Eddie Alverez, forgetaboutit. Now Rousey is joining the Expendables 3.
     
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    I hope I see Chandler, Askren and Alvarez over in the UFC some day. That would be sweet!!
     
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    Chandler just signed an eight fight deal with Bellator, Alvarez is in a legal dispute with Bellator and appears tied up for a long time. Askren is ridiculously boring to watch, Jay Hieron nearly beat him and during his interviews he reveals himself to me a very difficult person to like. So I am not really caring if I see Askren in the UFC. It would be nice to see Alvarez and Chandler in the UFC though.
     
  34. Ronaldo

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    No fan of the lay and pray strategy?
     
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    They need a new rule. You have 1 minute to better your position, otherwise get up and punch each other for us fans!
     
  36. Ronaldo

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    Bet the 1st 4 UFC were turn-offs.
     
  37. mcpon

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    ^ They sort of have it right now where it is at the ref's discretion to stand up fights. Maybe they should do it more often? Or does the yellow card need to make a comeback?
     
  38. Ronaldo

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    Yellow card and the soccer kick, Pride ruled.
     
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    It seems obvious that some guys are content keeping top position with little intent on finishing the fight.
     
  40. mcpon

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    But sometimes jiu-jitsu setups take awhile and the guy may look like he's stalling but is actually making small increments toward a finish but it may be hard for a ref to tell.
    By the way, what do you guys think of allowing Aoki-type pants to counter the advantage the guy on the defensive end of the submission has of having his face lathered up before the fight (both fighters do) of which gets all over both fighters (body, head and limbs) as the fight progresses?
     
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  41. hollywood9826

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    Let em wear pants I dont care. Let the guy wear a gi if he wants to.

    Let them wear oen boxing glove and one MMa glove like that one guy that time in the begining. Just let em go at it. None of this glorified wrestling crap.

    In a real fight you are not going to get on top of someone and try to work position to get an arm bar. You are trying to bash the face in. if you cant secure you sub from top position quickly you should then try to bash his face in. If you cant bash his face stand em back up.

    There are to many decision and with 5 miute rounds there should not be. Especially the 5 rounders. But people are scared to take chances so stall tactics come into play and fight get boring.

    Its no surpise me or my togher friends now only check results of fights and dont actually pay for them anymore.
     
  42. Ronaldo

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    Shirley you noticed how the face bashers fared in the 1st four UFCs.
     
  43. jhhachamp

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    If you actually knew how to armbar someone, you would do that in a fight. The reason that most street fights don't involve submissions and grappling is because most people aren't skilled in that area, but everyone knows how to punch. If I was a small MMA guy and a larger, stronger guy tries to pick a fight with me, I'd probably submit him and break some bones rather than trade punches. Chances are good that the random big strong guy won't know how to defend the submission.

    In a street fight, assuming no one else is going to jump in and it is just one on one, a submission is even more deadly than in an MMA fight. There is no ref to call the end to the fight, just broken bones.
     
  44. mcpon

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    ^ Can you still tap?
     
  45. maverick66

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    There is also no rules preventing me from biting,smashing, and otherwise doing anything i want to get you to let go.

    Go watch the Human Weapon episode where he pulls guard on the marine core instructor. He gets shown why that is incredibly stupid beyond a doubt to do that. And that guy was trained under Eddie Bravo who is one of the best BJJ guys ever.
     
  46. mcpon

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    Dana White says that people should avoid street fights altogether because it's a legal nightmare if a side decided to sue. Ronda had to pony up $5,000 for lawyer fees even though the other party was the instigator and Dana White almost got sued (He would've been but the other guy attacked the mediating cop) even though he got whooped badly.
     
  47. jhhachamp

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    If someone gets you in a locked out armbar (or a number of other submissions or chokes), there isn't really much you can do to make them let go, regardless of the rules. Once your arm is snapped in half, you might be able to get away and continue fighting, but you would be at a major disadvantage at that point.

    I understand that you can do more to prevent getting locked into an armbar, but a top UFC submission expert could probably lock one in very quickly on someone without that sort of fighting experience, especially if they did not know to expect that.

    Link? A marine core instructor is likely very skilled in fighting, so I don't know that this example really would show much except that you should not try to pull guard against someone who knows what to do against that. Some random strong guy at a bar likely isn't half the fighter this marine is. Also, I'm not an expert on submissions, but I don't think that pulling guard is the only way to go for a submission. Couldn't you try to get behind them/take them down?

    I bet Ronda Rousey could pretty easily armbar a random strong guy in a street fight.
     
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    In a real street fight you are not going to take someone down and lay on top of them and subtley spend the next 4 minutes faking an attempt to hook ni a submission to keep the ref from standing it back up.

    Rousey is not big enough to ArmBar a random strong guy the guy could simply muscle out of it. Or lift her up and slam her head into the ground point first. You know all that stuff that is against thr rules that are heavily in favor of defensive minded wrestlers.
     
  49. maverick66

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    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OTngVYq1d1Q
    go to 43 mins to see what im talking about.

    Also your comment on rousey shows this argument isnt worth having anymore.
     
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