Modern Day Wood Racquet Tournament

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  1. Ray Mercer

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    I was thinking the other day it would be pretty cool if some rich guy coughed up the money and hosted his own tournament with huge cash prizes to attract the top players. The only catch would be that everyone playing would be forced to play with a wood racquet built similar to racquets from the 1970's. Who do you guys think would fair well and would the game slowly revert to a more all court style towards the end of the tournament or would players still be content to try to slug from the baseline?
     
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    That game would look like total trash, but would be a lot of fun to compete in. I would not watch it.
     
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  3. Backhanded Compliment

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    Mac might make something like that happen.
     
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    Federer's Wilson contract might have to write in a clause allowing him to use a Wilson Jack Kramer autograph. If I'm not mistaken, pro contracts with racquet companies means they have to use a specific racquet, so that's a little bit tricky...
     
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  5. 1970CRBase

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    But they are not allowed to string up with RPM blast either right?

    Mac will own everybody.
     
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  6. Ray Mercer

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    Do you really believe Mcenroe would do well even with his age?
     
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  7. Manus Domini

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    I think he'd probably make finals.
     
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    That is a very interesting idea. Im sure if some very rich dude that was interested in old school tennis put togehter 5 million in prize money then some guys like McEnroe, Sampras, and maybe even some current players like Federer may decide to play some wood sticks for some big money wins. I think Mac would do pretty well. I also think there would be a many classic tennis fans that would love to see such an event. You can include me in that crowd.
     
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  9. Ray Mercer

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    Do you think any of the current pros would fair well? Their athleticism may make up for poorer strategy and net play.
     
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    This would be fun,,,, would like to see how Federer does...
     
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    Federer, Nalbandian, Davydenko their styles work for wooden rackets.


    I prefer wooden rackets than modern, I seem to hit heavier shots with less effort.
     
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    I think it would be awsome, even better if they COULD use Poly, wood racket just play sick with poly.

    Id rather watch this than wimbledon.
     
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    the problem, though, would be racquet sponsorship issues...
     
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    Sure you wouldn't ;)
     
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    Yes, Im sure many of the players that do not have extreme swings would do very well. I have seen many 5.0 to open players just pickup some of my wood rackets and hit very well with them.
     
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    I would pay to see this. Would be cool to see what the players that use alot of spin would do
     
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    Make it the new fifth major, played at different venues each year, starting off at Newport.
     
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    yea sure, make a slam where federer can still win:))
     
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    This is like talking about organizing a modern day formula one races with cars from the 20's. Or having one or two races in the formula one championship with old timer cars to see real drivers skills over the technology. :roll:

    Yes sure that would make sense and many people would watch that over the today's formula one.

    Not.
     
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    Fed will lose to Michael Llodra 2-6 in the 5th.
     
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    you read my mind, a tourney where taking PED's would do little good. Glad we agree too, that Nadal does owe his racquets for his victories to some degree....
     
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    lol umm yeah. Formula one in the 20s was far more exciting. People crashing, drying, passing, blowing up, PASSING. Watching a Formula 1 race now is like watching paint dry. I can't even believe you used that as an example
     
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    I'd like to see that-current pros playing with wood racquets. I might actually watch every match from the begining to the final.
     
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    Bring back woolen trousers in the middle of summer. Women wearing the latest in 1919 tennis gear.
    Yeah, What a concept. Gonna have to pass.
     
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  26. Max G.

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    It's a fun idea, but it would unfortunately result in really bad play.

    Lots of missed returns, lots of unforced errors, lots of bricked shots, lots of terrible touch (because they're not used to the feel of the racquets, even if they COULD have better touch if they were used to it.)

    Those who win would be the ones who could outlast the others - someone who just hits deep and crosscourt all day and plays the percentages and gets into a groove and doesn't miss, because everyone else is going to be spraying balls when they try to do something fancy.
     
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  27. Ray Mercer

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    That's Nadal to a T. High percentages, low risk, keeping the ball in play and not going for winners.
     
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  28. mellowyellow

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    Nadal wouldn't even enter a tourney on REAL grass, with wooden racquets..... Their is no high percentage tennis when the ball doesn't bounce higher than your knees, and your racquet can't loop it 5ft. over the net
     
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  29. li0scc0

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    A local 5.0 counterpuncher often hits with a local 4.5 player. They usually 'just hit', but when they play a match, it is typically 6-1 6-1.
    The 5.0, who uses a 100 square inch racquet, decided to play the 4.5 with a wood racquet. The 4.5 continued using his Dunlop Aerogel 4d 300.
    The end result?
    The 5.0 won 6-2 6-1. Pretty much the same results.
    I don't think a top pro would have too much trouble playing with a wood racquet. Sure his/her performance would decrease a bit, and some shots would be removed from their arsenal. But overall the level of play would be high.
     
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  30. 1970CRBase

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    If that's what is going to happen with the ATP men with their far better speed and footwork, can't begin to think how the WTA BBBs will manage.
     
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  31. li0scc0

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    Actually the WTA MIGHT be better off. The women hit flatter shots, and you don't see as many shanks on the women's tour vs. the men's tour. Notice I said MIGHT...this is all conjecture.
     
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  32. 1970CRBase

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    Then again, Woz with her particular percentage game MAY do very well if she used wood. Only a guess.
     
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  33. li0scc0

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    I actually see Wozniacki's style being HURT more than many of the other players, as her loopy topspin shots might be harder to come by with a small head wood racquet. A flat hitter like a Dementieva (yes I realize she is retired) would probably do well. An all court player like a Schiavone likely would, as well.
     
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    Such a disgrace, isn't it?
    "REAL" grass... I suppose wooden racquets are "REAL" racquets?
    When Nadal started to learn how to play tennis he developed his game around the equipment that was being used at that time. He never played with a wood racquet. If he would have started his tennis career using those racquets, then he would have been forced to develop and adapt his game to those conditions. What's the point of asking yourself now how he would play using one of those?
    The answer is irrelevant. No one cares.
    And don't act as if he's got some unfair advantage over Federer.
    Federer won his Slams by using modern equipment (not wood racquets) and he won most of his Wimbledon titles by playing on the same fake(?) grass.
    I know, he achieved all that because he's oh so talented and he can become the greatest ever even when the entire world is conspiring against him.
    Maybe you could invent a time machine and take him back to those times when players didn't use fake racquets, when the grass was real, when one handed backhands weren't being abused, when players weren't using PEDs, when passing shots were extremely rare, when tennis was "real".
     
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    Breakpoint will do that
     
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  36. mellowyellow

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    Get off of it already, I have never been one to criticize people for using whats legal. I in fact would love for Fed to use a 95sq. I certainly was no fan of the fast grass but its clearly been slowed down and made firmer for guys like Nadal. It used to be an accomplishment to successfully change from clay to grass, now you still have the same guys do well, predictable, because nothing is very different anymore about any surface. It did have its place on the tour and promoted a different style scarcely seen today. Now their are no carpet tourneys to boot. It would be a breathe of fresh air to see guys use clean striking of the ball and for guys to actually work a point not just use their equipment to bludgeon a ball into a position their opponent cant get a clean hit on. It would be nice to see a tourney where the guy on defense can't just go for broke and slap a winner 3ft. wide and 6ft. deep in their own court completely outstretched, it used to be something to see, now its commonplace for guys to come up with something "spectacular". Lest we forget though it is all about money, just like holidays, and a vast majority of other sports, tennis has succumbed to the juggernaut that is commercialization.
     
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  37. CMM

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    No? It seems to me that's exactly what you're doing.
    You criticized Nadal for supposedly not being able to play well with a wood racquet. I don't think that's illegal. You criticize the people who develop the surfaces because they make slower courts. Is that illegal?
    You criticize defensive players, you criticize the fact that the players of this era are playing well on all surfaces, you criticize the lack of tournaments played on carpet, you criticize the fact that tennis has become too commercial nowadays, etc..
    The fact that you don't like all of this, doesn't mean that there's something wrong with it. Other people might have a different opinion.
    But I'm sure that if Federer would be still number one and dominate the tour, "the problems" regarding the surfaces, the strings, the commercialization, would be non-existent.
     
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    So playing with wooden rackquet cost him one game :shock:
    That is outrageous. We should forbid all tech improvements on tennis equipment in the last 50 years.
     
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    agreed. they'd play just fine, i think it would be a very interesting tournament. and everyone talking about how nadal's game would fall apart are delusional, of course he'd generate less spin than with the babolat, but a guarantee you his game would still be formidable. it's not like you can't hit topspin with a wooden racket, you can generate plenty, it's not that big a deal. there would be less return winners, and generally less winners blasted from defensive positions, but apart from that, i think the level of play would be pretty recognizable as professional-level tennis.
     
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  40. mellowyellow

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    Thats funny, because the common consensus is that the game has evolved for the worse, thats not me saying it, thats just about everybody that is a name in tennis from past/current players to announcers. I didn't say Nadal couldn't, I said he wouldn't. Everyone would be capable of adapting, but for some players it would be completely different from what they do on the court and would obviously take longer. I think that this surface homogenization and lack of variety have been a big topic long before Federer was number 1 and the dominate player. Seems like their was plenty of grumbling when Hewitt and Nalby were the Wimby finalist. I think if tennis was televised more back in the 80's their would be even more outcry from the fans for different speed surfaces, and different styles of play. The problem is that the general weekend watcher doesn't know any better than what their force fed every weekend. That just so happens to be what TV/ITF has decided would be good for the sport. Longer rallies, and Agassi style winners. They got sick of the S/V 2-4 stroke points. No one wants to watch a serving match, but they have made tha S/V game non existent and that is a shame.
     
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    Yeah the commercialism is a real problem when instead of showing the other quarterfinal matches of a tourney they continue to repeat the same American player's match over and over and over. Again instead of promoting the little bit of variety they have lets show the Agassi/Samparas/Roddick match again even though he lost, or lets watch that Williams/Davenport match even though she lost..... and now it continues with Fed/Nadal/Djok/.....
     
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    I'm not sure about the common consensus part. Just because Pat Cash says that tennis was more exciting when he was playing doesn't necessarily mean that it's true. That's just his opinion and since he used to play serve and volley then his opinion might be a little biased.
    I don't think "everybody" says that tennis has evolved for the worse. Only some of the nostalgic tennis fans and those who liked serve and volley.
    But that's just a matter of taste. Some enjoyed that type of tennis, some enjoy watching longer rallies.
    I don't think the slow surfaces have such a big influence. The US Open surface is still fast enough and that from Paris Bercy too.
    I know Llodra did well there last year, but in the end it was still Soderling (a ball basher) and Monfils (a defensive player) who reached the final.
     
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    Maybe you think Pat Cash is "everybody" in tennis because he is your idol? I am talking about people like the 2 Macs, Sampras, Agassi, Navratilova, Evert, Becker, Edberg, Gilbert, Carlos Moya wishes he could play that style of tennis, then all the Announcers that cover any of the tennis, makes me wonder if you watch tennis as all, because they all talk about tennis and there not being any S/V players on the mens or womens side now and how its a travesty to the sport. That does not mean the quality in the players themselves is lacking, but that the sport on a whole is lacking 1/3 of the players it used to have. Lacking a 1/3 of the style. Think about what the world would be like if in everything, you took 1/3 of the variety away. Hairstyles, automobiles, house design, flavors for drinks/foods. Thats what you have in tennis right now........ On a side note, I don't recall any player or announcer saying that we need more rallies, longer rallies, and more baseline bashing, no one seems to saying that. In fact its just the opposite, all the current players having a baseline style game (everybody) talk about getting to net more, and incorporating that into their game more. I think too what you are missing here is that you don't have a "miracle" run by guys like Pete Sampras/Tim Henman at the French Open to the Semis. I never liked Tim, but to see him especially incorporate his style on clay against all odds was something to see. Agassi's runs at Wimby on "real" grass was an against all odds affair as well. Watching guys change strategy to be effective on the grass, or effective on the clay was always cool, and entertaining because you had real upsets, not favorites being beaten by less favorites who are just as adept at the baseline game.
     
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    There used to be a small "Woods and Whites" amateur tournament near here years ago, on some guy's private grass court. You had to wear long white pants.
    A buddy of mine won a 4.0 tournament about 10 years ago with his wood racquets and natural gut. I'm sure he blew his opponents' minds when he opened his tennis bag, and again when he beat them.
    Remember years ago, when Tennis magazine tested Philippoussis with his graphite racquet, and a wood one? He actually served alittle harder with the wood.
     
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    This is my last post on this, I am done with this topic. No one ever took 1/3 of their crayons out of the box and threw them away because it made coloring a better experience, anyone that thinks the lack of variety in tennis now weather it be in style of play or personality is a freaking moron and has a hidden agenda for a favorite/favorited player/players. There are not enough tourneys for players to consciously model their game to fast courts. The first half of the year is clay or slow hard then back to clay. There is even clay after Wimby is over.....
    P.S. Thats why their is a possibility of a wood racquet tourney happening, because it would answer many questions about the players we have today, ad per the OP's original question, I would lean towards an all court style being the more dominate style. Happy Alpine?
     
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    way to derail this thread
     
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    We have a local tournament using wood rackets only. It is fun and the advertising of the tourney leaves a lot of room for interpretation... Must have wood to play. Bring your own wood... It just goes on and on.

    With that said, I would definately watch. Remember Roddick playing with a frying pan? These guys are just that good. It would be a very entertaining match.
     
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    Yes, great idea !

    I think players would come to the net more because it would be more difficult to hit passing shots, which is the way tennis is supposed to be. Djokovic would still beat Mcenroe because the actual stroke technique of players has become more advanced. It's a great idea and I think the ratings would be very high.:)
     
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    I think Stepanek or Llodra would dominate
     
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    fed would still be great. his wristy FH would be limited a little but his one hander would work well and he was also a great s&v player when he was younger. in 2003 wimby he played a ton of s&v.

    I would love to see such a tournament. I'm not saying go back to wood but doing it once for fun would be cool.
     
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