Modern players frame for the attacking player

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  1. MikeHitsHard93

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    Been using rackets from ends of the spectrum including the PDR and the vcore tour 89, and I'm looking at frames that are right in between such as the blade 98 and speed pro. What other rackets are in this class of frames that suit an all court style? Thanks.
     
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  2. Captain Ron

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    You may like the vcore 97, if you can find one an aero storm would be worth a try.
     
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    Haven't you played with every frame under the sun? I doubt there are too many people on this forum and then some, who know more about frames than you do :D lol
     
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    Time to start venturing into the obscure. Let us know your thoughts on the Power Angle.

    In all seriousness, what about the Dunlop Biomimetic 400 Tour?
     
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  5. ringwraith

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    Some good frames in a similar category I can think of are Donnay Pro One 97, Yonex Vcore 97/ Ai 98, Dunlop f3.0, Babolat Pure Strike
     
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    I hope the PS RF97 ticks all the boxes for you Mike so that you may finally settle down :lol:
     
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    I thought the IG Extreme Pro 2.0 was one of the easiest racquet to pick up and play aggressively right off the bat. But maybe it's too close to the PDR you were using. I've been enjoying the AI 98 and the Tec tFight 325 TP Atp lately.
     
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    APD's for sure.
     
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  9. vegasgt3

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    Babolat Pure Strike Tour is what I use for that purpose. I also like the Wilson Blade 98.
     
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    I didn't know modern tennis included attacking, I thought it was just banging from the baseline.
     
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    I like these a lot:
    Babolat pure strike and pure strike tour,
    Yonex v core 97 330 or 310,
    The prestige pro, though some dislike the newest iteration,
    Babolat pure control tour,
    Dunlop 2.0.

    I use the pure strike 16/19 spec'd up to 330g plus strings. Love it.
     
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  12. MikeHitsHard93

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    These are all definitely frames that I was expecting to come up in this thread. I have a history of liking the middleweights (11.3-11.8 oz), so I will apply that filter to this group and go for there. Thanks all.
     
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    Haha. I still say that TripleB and JackB1 have much more experience with trying frames than I do, but I definitely have tried more than most. I'd say about 50.
    The 400 series is one that seems to get lukewarm comments, but I do want to try it. Seems to be right in my spec range.
    All of the hype about this racket has almost made me NOT want to use it, to be honest. I suppose I should give the 315g version a try, eh? (Btw, I don't think I'm mentally capable of settling) :D
    You are mistaken. You don't see any top players just bash from the baseline and still win major titles. Why do you think ferrer usually gets dominated?
     
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    when i think of attacking, i think of someone being aggressive and always coming to the net (mcenroe, edberg, etc..) which you don't see anymore.
     
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    My net game is improving, and it's so much more fun to close the point off instead of baseline bashing the whole time :)
     
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  16. KYHacker

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    Well, my customized IG Radical S has not disappointed me. Perfect blend of power, spin, and control. 333g with overgrip and dampener. Good enough to get me to stop looking, and I am a bona fide racquetaholic.
     
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  17. MikeHitsHard93

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    I was wondering how your experiment went! Sounds like she's a keeper!

    I am so horrible at modding rackets, otherwise I'd try the rad s.
     
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  18. WhyNotLetItFly

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    The Wilson Six One 95 S is absolutely worth a try as far as racquets in that range
     
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  19. MikeHitsHard93

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    Tried it, loved it, broke 4G in five minutes of playing.
     
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    I hear you, I feel the same about the RF97. I mean there are so many 97/98 sq in racquets with all ranges of flex, feel etc, how much really different could this one be?
    Although when Chris Edwards and company do the review, declare that that it has buttery feel and the greatest thing since sliced bread, I might start being mightily tempted ;-).
     
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    well it does have the signature braided graphite and kevlar layup ;)
     
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  22. Timbo's hopeless slice

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    Heya Mike

    I know I bang on about them, but do try the Bio400T with a nice poly at a lowish tension.

    Form your own opinion :)
     
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  23. MikeHitsHard93

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    I do enjoy their reviews. But now that ive tried so many frames, I can form my own opinions and I can predict what a frame will play like. I just really dislike being on a bandwagon such as the APD crowd and this new RF97. I appreciate a sense of individuality. :)
     
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    No lead added? I'd probably string it much lower than you have, probably 45lbs.
     
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  25. sovertennis

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    I went from the Speed MP to the Bio 400 Tour about 9 months ago. Love the 400. Give it whirl.
     
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  26. sovertennis

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    To my Bio 400 Tour I added 8 oz of lead at 3&9 and it's as stable a frame as I've ever used (previously, I used every iteration of Head Extreme Pro, which is very stable but became too tough on my arm).
     
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    I know you don't want to hear this, but probably stop trying new racquets.

    Every time I sign on here, you have a new racquet thread. Stahp. pls.


    There is no holy grail, there is no perfect racquet, and sometimes you need to just accept that your racquet does this great, this ok, this crap...and so on, and let your game grow with it.

    My c10 pros are good sticks, they have their strengths, their weaknesses. By experiencing tennis through them I have learned to do some things better, and to avoid some things in point play because I know it's a low percentage play.

    Other sticks would have me going in different directions.

    My point is, give your tennis more time to meld with a stick. It takes a while to milk a racquet for all it's worth. Switching constantly can only lead to neurosis and frustration.
     
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    Tell that to the racquetholics lol!
     
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    I definitely appreciate the post and agree with everything you've said, howeve I haven't created a thread like that in some time. Also, I have not bought a frame in over a year. I'm due for a new one for my fall league :)

    I've been using the pro open for my matches for the past year and a half and have found every weakness and strength of that frame. My game is much better now also. Time to upgrade.
     
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    The strange thing is you haven't said exactly what you are looking for in the frame?

    Attacking? Almost every frame can be used for an attacking game.

    A frame in between a Speed Pro and a blad 18x20... so you are looking for an 18x20 frame?
     
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  32. MikeHitsHard93

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    Basically, a frame that can do everything but that's not too powerful, not too controlled, right in the middle. Doesn't have to be 18x20. I'm just fishing to get opinions. Not looking for a solution to a problem. I'm not desperate to find the holy grail. As the other guy said, there isn't one.
     
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    It is about the same spec as a Prince Response 97 if you add a leather grip and 5g of lead at 3/9.

    97 sq in - check
    68 flex, but feels softer - check
    331 SW on both if you add 5g lead to the Response
    359g with OG for RF - 357g for Response 97 with lead, leather and OG.
    8hl for RF, 8hl for modified Response

    Response 97 - $139+$10 leather grip. RF 97 - $219.

    Realistically, the RF97 Autograph is a bit too much for most players and the lighter version will be more customizable. Kind of like the Response 97, which comes in at 340 strung with a 322 SW - a more realistic spec for most of us.
     
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  34. MikeHitsHard93

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    Good call. Not too sure about the 16x20 string pattern though.
     
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    … different beam, different head shape, different composition/material layup, etc. There is no way the racquets play the same when modded to the same specs. Heck, you can mod a Youtek Prestige MP, a IG Prestige MP and a Graphene Prestige MP to the same specs as much as you like and they will not play the same, even if they are from the exact same mold.
     
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    Yeah, I wasn't a big fan of the Response 97. I'm not sure why TW gave it such high marks, especially on volleys.

    If in doubt, just go with a Pure Drive or AeroPro Drive.
     
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    What level do you play at?
     
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  38. MikeHitsHard93

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    4.0 NTRP. Singles and dubs
     
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    Is that self-rate or computer rated? And is it USTA?
     
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    Both. I do have a usta account. Haven't played a literal match though. Was on a team, but never had time to play matches.
     
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    I don't think I've ever seen a 4.0 that I'd describe as a "all court" player. I take an "all court" player to be someone who's comfortable and capable from all areas of the court. That's rarely 4.0 tennis.

    As for your question, all 4.0s I've seen play with every racket under the sun including those who play attacking tennis and those who have more of a well rounded game. There are a vast number of different types of rackets used by 4.0 players for good reason - different people simply like different things. I honestly believe that there's is a racket that is better for 'attacking' than others. I've seen 4.0s hit winners and play aggressive with all sorts of rackets.

    Just pick one that you think suits your game and go play some matches.
     
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    Hard Hitting Mike, where in Michigan do you live? I'd be up for a hard hit if you are near.
     
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  43. MikeHitsHard93

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    Lansing area! Hit me up!
     
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  44. MikeHitsHard93

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    Thanks for the words of wisdom :)
     
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    What would be the c10 pro's strengths and weaknesses that lead you to your
    current game ? :)
     
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    Lots of 4.0's have solid all court games. They just can't beat the local 4.5's who have a better game in one or both areas, and usually move quicker, for longer, and recover faster.
     
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    I consider myself a lowish 4 and yes, as the guys have said, most if not all 4.0s are not all court players and there are a huge range of frames used.

    Only when you get to the 4.5s will you start to see a lot more net play and varied game styles.

    Anyway if you are looking for a stick that allows you to do pretty much anything you are looking more controlled player sticks.

    These would be on my list:

    Bab
    Strike tour w leather! Must have leather
    Control Tour
    Control 95+
    Head
    Speed Pro must add leather and lead!
    YT IG Prest MP must add leather and lead too!
    Yonex
    VcoreG 330g
    Ai98 Needs leather and at least 6g of lead around the head
    Prokennex
    7G
    Volkl
    C10 Pro

    Cheers
     
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  48. MikeHitsHard93

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    Agreed! It's so easy for someone to generalize what a 4.0 level is. However, its just not feasible. I know 4.0s that are baseliners and I know 4.0s that play spin games.
     
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  49. MikeHitsHard93

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    Thanks very much for weighing in :)
     
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    I've read in an advertisement that the all-new Wilson ProStaff line is designed for the modern generation who's got an attacking game
     
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