Monogut ZX Findings

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  1. Lukhas

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    ^Both for elasticity and tension maintenance? A bit surprised, it wouldn't have occurred to me to pre-stretch a mono string.
     
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  2. Shroud

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    Well me neither. I got it from Travlrjam and when I strung the zx, I didnt have some of the issues described here.

    There are many more posts specific to zx, but here is one that is a general post:

    http://tt.tennis-warehouse.com/showpost.php?p=7569986&postcount=29
     
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  3. Bud

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    Newbie here with this string :grin:

    What is the difference between the regular and the Pro?

    Has anyone tried Monogut ZX mains and RPM Blast crosses? I always put the livelier string in the mains and the poly (slicker) string in the crosses - that way there is nice sliding action without the notching to inhibit the sliding mains. Also always string the mains 8-10# tighter than the crosses.

    Currently using RIP Control 17 mains and RPM Blast 16 crosses - which I really like. Been using this combo for the last year.

    I've always enjoyed Zyex string so I'd like to give this stuff a go. Used to use a full bed of Dynamite but the crazy string movement was too much.

    TY
     
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  4. Lukhas

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    Pro is the same stuff, but with a thinner gauge.

    @Shroud: Yes for pre-stretching, but a generally speaking a co-poly string has low elasticity, so pre-stretching would often kill it faster. Would play more consistent, but wouldn't try it. Even if ZX hasn't any poly/co-poly in it, I'm still fairly surprised. What about string movement and snap-back?
     
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  5. Torres

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    A 20% overshoot on tension is pretty extreme and unlikely to be necessary.
     
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  6. Shroud

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    not at 32lbs...
     
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  7. Bud

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    K, ordered a set of 16. Going to hybrid the ZX (mains) with RPM Blast (crosses.

    This will be my first Zyex/Poly hybrid
     
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  8. Torres

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    Low tensions aren't ideal for this string unless you're crying out for a huge amount of power.
     
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  9. Shroud

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    with kevlar mains it was not any more powered than other strings....well not dramatically so. I have a ton of natural power and what I need is control. Everything about my equipment is to diminish power and increase control.
     
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  10. Torres

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    Seems strange that you should string at 32lbs then, though to be fair to you if you're hybriding with Kevlar you'll probably want something to even it out.
     
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  11. mikeler

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    The playtest with this string indicated the 16g to be superior to the 17g, so you are off to a good start. I'd use a tension similar to what you would string gut at. It performs well at high tensions but I could definitely see it getting too powerful at lower tensions.
     
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  12. Bud

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    I usually string gut mains at 60# in a dropweight machine. Is that too high for Zyex? IIRC, they recommend stringing it at least 10% less.

    My plan was 55# ZX mains/50# RPM crosses (perhaps 45# on the crosses)
     
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  13. Michael Lesbowicz

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    Not yet, but I plan on trying Pacific Tough Gut 1.25 mm in the mains
    hybridized with with Ashaway MonoGut ZX Pro 1.22 mm in the cross.
    I will let you know how it feels. I have already tried a full bed of
    ZX Pro, so I will be able to compare.
     
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  14. Torres

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    I've tried Wilson NG / ZX16. It plays well provided you string it high (and I mean high). My comments are in the other thread. ZX Pro, I suspect will be similar but I would strongly hazard a guess than the ZX Pro would definitely benefit from slow pulls or even a pre-stretch as its more lively than the 16.
     
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  15. Shroud

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    Thanks. you are right about evening things out.

    Played with Kevlar for years and years and no issues. In a 14 year span I didnt play much tennis, maybe once I played for a few months. Then I decided to get back into it. Strung some kevlar/gut at 63/65. Played great and ended up with TE. 1st time ever.

    Its easy to blame the kevlar at high tension. Though in my case I think it had more to do with overuse. Had the week off, played tennis almost everyday, had a 4 hour marathon on sunday followed by a hitting session for an 1:30 and then another hour with a 5.0. Add in the 4 days of spray painting and the fact that I am not 20 anymore and viola.

    So now I am playing with low tensions and heavy rackets. Arm digs it and I get some ball pocketing! Volleys and serves like that. Interesting thing is that I can actually hit the ball in. Never saw that coming. SOmething about low tensions. I did try some Luxilon Alu power with technifiber NGt or whatever as crosses at 59/61 I think and man I couldnt keep anything in the court. Give me kevlar at 32 over that Luxilon/ technifiber combo anyday. Also its possible the 32lbs I am stringing on the constant pull machine with prestretching is a stiffer stringbed that 32lbs implies.

    Arm is on the mend so I might one day get back to higher tensions but I like the kevlar low and I think with other strings I would not get enough of a stiff stringbed.

    @lukhas not sure about the snap back on the ZX. At that time I had strung the kevlar at 40 and the ZX at 24 IIRC. It was toooo stiff at that time for my arm so I cut it out. Now the arm is much better so maybe I will revisit.
     
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    Sounds good!
    I will wait for your reveiw. Thanks!
     
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    I usally string MonoGut ZX Pro between 57 and 59 lb.
    I assume NG/ZX in hybrid is better than NG/Poly for comfort and durability.
     
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  18. Bud

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    Received mine today. It looks and feels just like poly. Will string it up tomorrow.
     
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    Strung up the the frame (2012 PDR) with 16g ZX mains and 16g RPM crosses, last night.

    Mains: 60#
    Crosses: 50#

    ZX First Impressions:
    1. Very unusual string just like other Zyex strings
    2. Looks/feels like poly
    3. Very stretchy - like gut or a very stretchy multifilament. Stringing this is reminiscent of stringing Ashaway Dynamite.
    4. When pulling, the string diameter decreases so much it's visually apparent. This un-tensioned 16g ZX ends up looking closer to 19g under 60# of tension.
    5. After finishing, the mains do not slide very freely over the crosses - like my normal string (RIP Control).

    Curious to hit with this tonight but do not have high expectations.
     
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  20. julianashaway

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    Did you pre-stretch the ZX?
     
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  21. Bud

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    I did not and never pre-stretch strings. However, on a DW, you can let the string sit at the selected tension, until all stretch is gone.
     
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  22. Torres

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    ^ It's going to be interesting to see how that performs with such a big tension differential. I don't think I've ever strung with a 10lb difference before. RPM will lose tension, but ZX loses very little....
     
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  23. Bud

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    Played with it tonight. It feels alright - similar to a multi main... but is more harsh on the arm versus RIP Control.

    I did not notice any increase in spin or power.

    I'll play a few more times with it in case in needs some breaking in.

    So, overall I feel neutral about the string.
     
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  24. julianashaway

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    Surprising to hear you find it more harsh on the arm than RIP Control. One almost universally agreed upon characteristic of ZX is the arm friendliness. Stiffness ratings lower than any non-gut strings.

    When you use the RIP/RPM set-up what determines when it is time to restring? RIP breakage/tension loss or RPM tension loss? If it is the former, substituting the ZX should give you a longer lasting string bed.
     
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  25. Bud

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    Loss of control. The RPM goes about a month - playing 10-12 hours per week. After that, the stringbed is too bouncy.
     
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  26. julianashaway

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    If you are getting 40+ hours with multi mains and cutting out because of the poly tension loss, you have no durability issues.

    Really no increase in power over RIP control? Surprising. When you string the RIP do you also use 60 lbs?
     
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  27. Bud

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    It felt pretty similar to my RIP/RPM setup. However I have a dull ache in my elbow, today and my wrist bones are popping. This is a sign that the setup is not very arm-friendly for me.

    I'll give it a few more hits however. I may try again with RIP mains and the ZX as a cross (since the coating is similar to a poly). The mains should slide over it fine.
     
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    I'd try it the other way round and without the big tension differential since you should still have half sets spare. I mentioned this in the other thread but I was underwhelmed by ZX/poly. It was surprisingly flat hitting. Poly/ZX on the other hand was a bit of a revelation...
     
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    I could see poly/ZX being quite nice.
     
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  30. Bud

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    I will be hitting with the ZX/RPM setup a second time - later today. I'm hoping the SBS decreased significantly over the past two days.

    Someone suggested I try the ZX as a cross string. I will give it a try in my other frame - using RIP Control in the mains. The ZX is slick enough to allow the multifilament mains to slide nicely over the Zyex crosses. Since I always string my crosses about 10# less than the mains, it will also soften up the ZX.
     
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  31. Bud

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    Second Hit

    Hit again with it today. It was much more comfortable after a couple days in the frame. I also stepped on both sides of the stringbed to loosen it up a bit.

    Still feel pretty neutral about it. However, I still prefer my normal setup of RIP mains and RPM crosses.

    - - -

    Will play with it one more time before cutting it out ... then reverse the string setup using RIP mains and ZX crosses.
     
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  32. mrc

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    Really surprises me. I would think ZX would be one of those strings you either love or hate because of its unique characteristics. I love it as a cross with Poly mains as it provides comfort with power but the power is controllable because of the spin.
     
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  33. Ramon

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    IMO...the low stiffness index of ZX accurately reflects how much the string flexes and how easy it is on the arm. I think the plasticky feel gives a false feeling of harshness because it's different from the feel you get from nylon or gut and closer to the feel you get from poly. The more I play with it, the more I see that this string's softness is actually comparable to natural gut, even if it doesn't feel that way initially.

    I tried it the other way with ZX 16 mains and RIP 16 crosses. Compared to the other ZX/Multi combinations I tried, I was unimpressed, but a lot of that is probably because I'm not a big fan of full bed RIP Control 16. I thought spin was the same as full bed RIP, and control and touch were even better, but power was too low and the string bed felt lifeless. Even as a main string, the ZX did not add any power to RIP Control. It might be a good combination for someone who likes RIP Control.

    I think ZX needs a soft multi for the combination to work. Right now, my favorite cross with ZX is Dunlop DNA, which is soft. A stiff multi tends to take over, and the ZX loses its liveliness and spin.

    I haven't tried ZX as a cross for multis. The reason is I'm a string breaker, and multi mains break too quickly for me. With ZX crosses, I would think the multi mains would break even quicker.
     
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    I'm now using 18 ga X-One mains with 17 ga ZX crosses at 59 lbs in a Pure Storm Ltd GT. Gonna switch from the X-One to NRG2. Having the slicker string in the cross is supposed to be better for spin than the other way around.

    It's a pretty good setup (I don't break strings), though I had a lot more feel for drop volleys and touch shots with a full bed of X-one.
     
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  35. Torres

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    Here's an interesting finding - ZX is re-usable as a cross.

    I've strung poly/ZX a couple of times now with some extra length on the cross strings, and then re-used them as a cross with fresh poly mains. It seems to play absolutely fine. Softer and not as crisp as the first time, but good response, remains powerful, and perfectly playable.

    No idea what a full bed would be like if re-used but as a cross it seems to be fine (if you don't mind a slightly softer feeling cross string). This Zyex stuff is definitely unusual because you would never be able to do that with a poly.
     
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  36. Ronaldo

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    Any notching on ZX when re-stringing?
     
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    Interesting report. Are you going from OS rackets to mids and that is how you have extra length?? What genius method are you using to reuse crosses?
     
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  38. Torres

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    I use the same racquet. I just run extra length on the outside perimeter of the frame and tie off at the top instead of the bottom.

    Not really. There's some surface abraison but the likelihood is that when restrung, it won't intersect with the mains in exactly the same place.
     
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    Nice that is a great idea!!
     
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    I love this string but it seems to be so temperamental, I've tried on crosses with Kirschbaum spiky shark black, it kept the stringbed feel responsive for about six weeks, I'm afraid to try it on mains for fear that it will lose tension to quickly, should I just go for it ?
     
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    I am starting to find that in a full bed the 16G monogut main can break relatively easier than multi on mishits. Does anyone else have the same experiences?
     
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    i have had it break on shanks...only way to break it as cross in 18x20:)
     
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    I've only broken it on mishits.
     
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    Comfort aside, is MonogutZX rather firm feeling or has "good" pocketing? I happen not to want to try strings with "good" pocketing. However a rather firm but powerful string may be interesting, especially if I can keep it for a long time.
     
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    I am very intrigued with this string but man that "natural" color is ugly!
     
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  47. Lukhas

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    ^That's why it exists in red.
     
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  48. Torres

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    I'm pretty confident that the 16 can be reused as a cross string with poly. I've tried this in three racquets and each time it's been fine, though it feels softer when reused.

    Helps bring the overall usage cost of this string down to almost synthetic gut levels, as well as being a superior cross.
     
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  49. Ronaldo

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    Broke a ZX Pro cross yesterday near a grommet. Only broken poly like that.
     
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  50. Ramon

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    I've been hitting with a full bed of the 17 gauge Monogut ZX Pro Natural on my PK Ki 5x. I strung it at 56 Constant Pull. I really like this string. Unfortunately, it might not be a good match for my Prince Tour 98 ESP that's coming next week.

    If you have a racquet with a close string pattern, the 17 gauge is worth a try. I don't want to say too much about it yet because I've only used it for about 3 hours, but so far it's looking very good.
     

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