Moonballers are out - Short, Low pushers are in...

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  1. TCF

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    Ha, I love the thread title. Did not read the responses yet but the OP is 100% dead on right. I have been in the juniors game for 20 years. Back in the day, not that long ago, all the 'pushers' in juniors were mainly moonballers. I mean these kids could rain ball after ball down from the heavens!

    But now at the junior tournaments its changed to almost all low, short, spinny pushing. The moonballs are becoming rare but every other kid slaps that ball back low, short, and soft off of both wings.
     
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  2. rkelley

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    What's the response from the "pushee"? What does a typical point look like?
     
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  3. marosmith

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    I'm not referring to a short ball caused by the opponent forcing a short ball and putting it away, I am referring to a miss hit or pure junk ball that can't be read by the opponent or is framed.
     
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  4. mikeespinmusic

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    AMT tournaments have 5,10 and 15 thousand dollar prizes. Then sponsored tournaments like Solinco go into the hundreds of thousands. It was my first tournament. And I made it through the qualifiers and into the 4th round - If you look carefully at the updates, I said that it was exploitation rather than strategy. And they don't particularly single me out with the pushing strategy. They'll do it to eachother - Have ever seen a battle between short and low pushers? Its not pretty and they usually get in screaming arguments and threaten eachother. Like I said, the club was losing money - because of people not wanting to deal with them - So rather than kick out the individuals doing this. They switched from Wilson Australian Open (titanium) to Slazenger to make up for the difference of low bounce and now the games wins are more even distributed.

    I do regret posting this thread now. Because who dont even know me are trying to "put me in place" rather than say much constructively.
     
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  5. mikeespinmusic

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    I'm not saying I'm the bees knees. But I do work hard and train. And rather than let my rank define me - I entered the qualifiers of 10,000 prize money tournament and made it through to the 4th round. I was astounded how well I did because they were different balls, a higher bounce synthetic grass and much harder more technically correct hitters. So yes, I guess I'm greedy and deluded to want to move up in club level to apply what I'm able to do in tournament level...

    Not happy with posting this thread, spent more time defending myself from ignorant attacks rather than getting advice...
     
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  6. mikeespinmusic

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    Actually my mistake writing this. I meant the 4th round of the actual tournament. I made it past the quallies.
     
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  7. TCF

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    At a Florida level 7, the 'victim' is usually clueless and spends the match running forward after low balls and barely getting the racquet tip on them.
     
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  8. marosmith

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    Don't feel bad, idiots here really get deluded when talking about pushers. Makes me think maybe a bunch of them are.
     
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  9. Venetian

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    Some of us just value being gracious and humble in losses.
     
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  10. rkelley

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    Hey, I'm a pretty decent player but the most I've ever won in a tournament is a little plant for runners-up in doubles. If you're playing for 10,000 anything then you're probably pretty good.

    Don't sweat the snarky posts. It happens. Hopefully you've gotten a little help.

    I'm still a bit confused however. Generally aren't short, low balls good? You can come in and approach. You can hit to the corners and set-up yourself up for a volley winner, or hit short and low yourself and see if your opponent wants to go one on one at the net, or go for the drop shot which should be relatively easy to hit from that position. Basically, you can credibly put the ball anywhere in the court - side to side and front to back - and be at the net to volley your opponent's shot if they get to it. That's a lot of ground for them to cover.

    You do need a slice off the bh side to get to those balls generally and I like hitting from a continental grip on the fh side for the really short, low balls (generally use a very strong Eastern grip for my standard fh).
     
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  11. Avles

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    Deluded is a 3.5 thinking he has any business deciding who hits "actual ground strokes" and who doesn't.
     
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  12. mikeespinmusic

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    Australia is the other way round when it comes to levels.

    1 is the highest and 7 is the beginner level.
    Then Open. So yeah I was punching above my weight with that tournament but I'm quite happy to keep punching there.
     
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  13. luvforty

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    something doesnt compute here.

    what level are these pushers? OP said a couple of div 1's filled in and still lost.... aren't they a couple of levels above OP? or am I missing something.
     
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  14. Venetian

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  15. 10isfreak

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    That's actually a logical fallacy... we never attack the author to evaluate the value of his argument.

    Likewise, someone could not be a tennis fan at all, not enjoy the sport at all and have never played the sport in the first place, but yet be incredibly knowledgeable and competent when it comes to teaching or analyzing the game.

    It's all nice and fun to pick at someone who seem to look down on other people who he has trouble defeating, but let's not be stupid ourselves.
     
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  16. marosmith

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    LOL

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    #1: learn to slice
    #2: realize the shots that these guys have a hard time slicing back low, and that's what you hit them.

    I find that with junk ballers, you are often better hitting high to their FOREHAND as opposed to their backhand if you want to play the match on your terms.

    This is the mistake that I fell into in my match last week..I have been in the habit of trying to abuse guys backhands with inside out forehands...this guys backhand slice was his best shot. Looping topspin to his forehand was more effective, because all that he could do was push it back flat. I had this epiphany too late.

    High topspin to his backhand he could still slice down on.
     
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  18. Jay_The_Nomad

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    I know the kind you are talking about. I usually attack their forehand to open up their backhand so that I can attack the backhand to get the short ball and attack the forehand. Very difficult to break down their backhand.


     
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  19. jimbo333

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    Exactly right, the OP simply is not a good a player as he thinks!

    Honestly some people these days think that tennis is standing at the back of the court whacking the ball back hard and fast with loads of topspin. No that is rally practice! (Although watching the womens game at the moment I can see little difference sometimes).

    To be a better player, the OP will need to find a way to beat many other styles of play!
     
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  20. thecode

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    Yes, this should work because it's tougher to hit a great slice on a high bouncing forehand. Good idea.
     
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  21. pkshooter

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    Sorry OP... I feel for you bro, I play at an average highschool level, and you see i'm not tennis prodigy. I have good strokes, but i tend to lose to alot of people that i'm "technically" better than.
     
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  22. jimbo333

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    Why do you feel sorry for the OP? He can't even deal with a short slice, honestly, the state of tennis coaching these days, he just needs to practice, and get a new coach by the sounds of it. He "technically" isn't a very good matchplayer yet by all accounts. I hope he comes back here in a few months having put in the practice against the short sliced stuff, and is the better player for it, and moving up the leagues!
     
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  23. Hi I'm Ray

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    Those shots that land midcourt near the service line, bounce well below net height, and die quickly can be tough to attack, especially if sliced or on the backhand side. I know I used to return those noticeably harder on my FH side before my long tennis break. Actually, there are a few shots I used to hit regularly but cannot do anymore because I don't have a coach to practice drills with anymore. Whatever level you are at, you'll need to put in some practice time hitting those shots to get good at it.
     
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  24. LeeD

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    and remember, while it's easy enough to hit an approach shot and move to just inside your own service line, the other player has consistent LOW passing shots that can't be put away unless you're just a superior volleyer...
    which leaves plenty of options for your opponent.
     
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  25. TennisCJC

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    And, Steffi Graff insulted all the women just like Roger does the men. She hit that same pain in the *** short slice that setup her forehand.

    You have to beat the pushers, slicers and dicers before you move up.
     
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  26. Mahboob Khan

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    Well said sir.

    As a good player you have to deal with all sorts of junkies. It's other players' right to throw junk at you; if you can't handle the junk you are not good enough.

    So stop whining like a broken woman and learn the art. This is tennis.
     
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  27. mikeespinmusic

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    From the OP

    I was over doing this thread a long time ago. But I've reached an epiphany. Pushers think they're talented and talk about shots they can't do in a game.... and Im starting to think the ones that attack me on here without being constructive are the main culprits.

    I'll sum this up for some of you who can't seem to read properly or think.

    Luckily I play in more than one competition and club now so thats why I know better.

    The matches against the top div 3 opponents of this particular club were one dimensional.

    I never had to worry about all these great things some of you lot keep mentioning. They NEVER existed. I never had to guess about their slice, or an approach shot, or a lob, or a winner from them.

    It was just me ALWAYS digging out their short low serve, and short low pushes. It was never a "normal" game.

    Do you understand this? Do you understand english?


    I can get more intelligence talking to a brick wall as opposed to this thread..
    Well done trolls. Not gonna bother now.
     
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  28. Govnor

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    I believe this is the way to beat almost everyone at a lower level. They will get desperate once they realize they will be running themselves into the ground on every point. They will have to go for winners out of necessity.
     
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  29. mikeespinmusic

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    You're using a 105 square inch? You must have problems running. And reading properly. Feel free to do my poll.
     
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  30. mikeespinmusic

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    Read the post properly
     
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  31. mikeespinmusic

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    Read the posts properly. I'm not asking for shots to always be in my wheel house. I'm just asking for actual shots.
     
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  32. luishcorreia

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    this thread is a waste of time
     
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  33. mikeespinmusic

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    No....very very dumb. read it properly and the updates. It was ball exploitation resulting in other members also demanding different balls to discourage this behaviour.
     
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  34. mikeespinmusic

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    No it doesnt now with the new balls they brought in. The pushed short balls bounce up get put away. Games are played normally now. The only delusion I had was believing in complete strangers giving me intelligent advice...
     
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  35. mikeespinmusic

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    Yes, it is now sorry about that. I shouldn't have bothered...
     
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  36. mikeespinmusic

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    whoa, ease up on the chauvernism dude...
     
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