More Chaos On Team Sphinx

Discussion in 'Adult League & Tournament Talk' started by Cindysphinx, Oct 27, 2011.

  1. Topaz

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    ^^^We started singles teams here last year, and it was so refreshingly easier to captain! And, since there are less singles opportunities during the 'off season', I think people are more willing and eager to play...I know I was!
     
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  2. dcdoorknob

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    Your description there does not sound like micro-managing. But your earlier description of what you insist on when someone else is guest-captaining for you did to me. Then you end you post by saying "Joel Dali gets it." If you do really advocate at least 3 phone calls to your guest captain within the last hour before the match is scheduled to start, as Joel suggested in his post, then I'm going to have to go ahead and stand behind my original micro-manager conclusion. :D
     
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    dcdoorknob, I don't make three phone calls to guys, an hour before the match or even the day of the match. I call the guy the day before and ask if he has any questions. Cindy didn't provide the information about her instructions in her original post. Reread her post if you don't believe me.

    I am going to miss three or four matches in the next few weeks. I will give the lineup to the acting Captain. I will simply brief him on some of the local rules like which court is defaulted first (#2 Singles), what happens if it starts raining (only matches that have begun can't be changed, as the first serve starts that match on that court), and what happens if the other team shows up with any unregistered player or after he needs to go to his court to play and players still haven't showed. Being a Captain isn't that hard. I have good teammates and they make my job easy with little to no drama at all. The biggest grip I get is from mid-level doubles players wanting to play with the strongest doubles players. Not that hard to manage. I respect my players and I get that respect in return.

    There are too few Captains in my area, because it can be a headache if you aren't organized and if you don't know the local rules. Being a Captain is a volunteer job and a lot of people don't volunteer. If I were such a micro manager, would I have 15 guys on my team and have turned down eight other guys that know me? 15 guys on team that plays 8 is too many IMO. 11 or 12 works much better. 23 is ridiculous.

    My guys understand what I'm looking for and I understand what they want. We communicate fairly well. If they have a beef with me, they let me know and vice versa. I have had one problem guy that I simply told him what I expected and we worked it out.

    P.S. You asked about the lady I was playing with at 7.0 Mixed and winning. The lady I was playing with at Mixed Doubles is miserable. You asked what she did to make me miserable. Here's a short summary. When our opponents are getting crushed, and they manage to hit a winner or nice shot, in four matches, not one time, could she manage a compliment to the opponent. Pathetic. Not one time if four lopsided victories, did she smile during the match. When I or our opponents offered her a compliment, you got a "Thank you", but she not once returned the favor. She is a good player. She is a 3.5, and there are better 3.5 Women that I hit with and have a lot more fun with. There are worse players at 3.5 who've I've hit with and lost and had more fun. No sir, this miserable lady didn't carry me in any manner at any time. I've played 4.0 for most of my life until I walked away from tennis for eight years. I came back and herniated a disc in my back there months after returning to the court. After two back surgeries,and another two year wait, I self rated at 3.5. I will be bumped again at the end of the year. I have no doubt. None of my teammates has any doubt, nor the 4.0 teams that I play singles and doubles on.

    No DCDoorknob, this 3.5 lady didn't carry me in 7.0 Mixed Doubles. She is a good 3.5 player, but she is not a happy person, and I don't spend my time on a tennis court with people like her when I have that choice. When I'm on the court, I want to win, but not at any cost. I want to get better, have fun and win. Getting better is my top goal, winning is 3rd place for me. Thankfully, I won 74 % of all my USTA matches this year, including USTA Men's 3.5, 4.0, Mixed 7.0, 8.0, 7.5 Combo, and USTA 3.5 and 4.0 Singles.

    I think if you and actually meet in person we would get along just fine. The internet is a cold place all too often. It's tough to put words on a screen to a personality of a player or a coach. Here' a cold frosty glass raised to you and Cindy. No hard feelings DCDoorknob
     
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  4. tennis tom

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    Cindy doesn't like it when people don't confirm her opinions and disagree with her.
     
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    Next time, find a more competent replacement :)
     
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  6. johndagolfer

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    Hate to say this Cindy since you are the captain, a thankless position, to say the least, I honestly feel a good part of the responsibility falls on your shoulders.
    To me a fill-in captain sets lineups and records scores. I am in the boat that the team captain has the responsibility to make sure everyone has signed up for the team. A fill in will not always check the roster on tennislink, especially if you have told them who is playing that week.

    That being said, true, we are all adults and the person who signed up should be also held accountable. But you volunteered, was pressured, or whatever into the captains spot. You are in a position of leadership and responsibility for the minutia sp? that goes along with scheduling, roster, etc.
     
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  7. Spin Doctor

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    I don't understand this either. They played. Can't the player register and then enter the scores after she registers? Another poster here says he has done this as captain. This seems like the the most logical result.

    If not, then the player who didn't register should pay. She's a grown adult.
     
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  8. bet

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    True! Datacipher was right, she has no sense of responsibility and is childish enough to accuse others of being the countries problem? Grow up cindy!

    G4 was also right, she's a drama queen. She and her Buds werent attractive enough to make a real housewives shows so now were stuck with this! Her attitude would fit right in though, maybe the producers should reconsider !!
     
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    I like battling the elements though. The sun is annoying somethimes, and so is wind, but I just learn to embrace it or play when the sun and wind aren't really a factor. I sometimes like when it rains lightly. It's kind of fun to run around hitting the ball in the rain. Now when it's pouring or there are puddles on the court, that's when I'll pack it in and say no mas.

    I honestly only know of one indoor tennis court facility here in town, and I can't even imagine how much it is to be a member. For all intents and purposes we don't have clay in Houston. Outdoor hard courts are really all you're going to get here, unless you're incredibly wealthy.
     
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  10. Cindysphinx

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    Actually . . . my acting captain or I could have quickly registered this lady post-match on the sly, without asking permission of the other captain. After all, the opposing captain hadn't noticed the omission either.

    I didn't, because that would be unethical. I know what the rules are, and I wasn't about to do something sneaky and devious, period.
     
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    Big difference: The manager and the Prez get PAID for what they do. With the pay goes the responsibility. In this case, the Acting Captain was, in effect, the Captain. Having spent the last three years as a captain, I fully expect those who perform the Acting Captain duties to take care of business. Cindy fulfilled her responsibilities by designating an Acting Captain.
     
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  12. Caesar

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    What is it with women and drama?
     
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  13. dcdoorknob

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    Wow, first you tell someone to grow up, and then follow it up with the juvenile, unfounded smut right out of junior high. Nice one.
     
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  14. ABtennis

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    First year captaining Cindy?

    Come on, this is so lame. There may be partial blame here among parties, but it's primarily yours. You are the Captain, and you've been playing USTA and captaining for years. You consistently complain about screw ups among your teammates, so why aren't you prepared for such?

    Where did this assistant captain get a lineup of starters and reserves? From you, no doubt. Why did you include someone on the list who hadn't registered yet? Why don't you wait until a player registers to allow her to be considered for a lineup?

    Imo, the truth is you love this drama. Why else would someone post so much trivial nonsense here? And if you're so fed up with the ineptitude of your teammates, why do you rush out and captain all the time?
     
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    Too much drama. I agree. More energy should be spent on the play. Believe me, we have a ton of drama, BUT I have learned to walk away from it. The second I walked away, I started playing better. No way you can focus if you are thinking about this nonsense. Forgetaboutit. If not this, it will be something else. Just enjoy the tennis.
     
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  17. Cindysphinx

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    I did not put out a lineup. Acting captain did.

    Please read more carefully before posting. Thank you in advance for your cooperation.
     
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    As a captain of a women's team for many years - i too can't see how an unregistered player even got contacted. Until a player registers, they are not a part of my team list or email contacts. Seems fairly simple and straight-forward. Playing with an unregistered player seems like a pretty big deal to me, and ultimately the captain's responsibility.

    When I have someone captain a match for me, I make sure they have everything they need, including a lineup. As captain, I'm the one who's taken the time to figure out who plays best where and with whom - I wouldn't delegate that to anyone else.

    And if someone doing a favor for me by captaining messes up - I'm not going to put the blame on them, even if they did mess up. They were just trying to help me out - why would I put the blame on them? I would just know to use someone else next time.
     
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  19. tennis tom

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    Right, that's what we're all here for, to memorize your every syllable, and report back accurately to you.
     
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  20. Crusher10s

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    ^^^What are you some kind of freak? If you don't like her posts then move on you troll...


    Besides, if she didn't post to this forum, there'd be no reason to come here...you sure as hell don't add anything intelligent to it.
     
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  21. tennis tom

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    Being Cindy's coach must be quite lucrative for you, have you made enough to buy a Ferrari yet? Better get some TP, your nose is brown.
     
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    I think the other captain is being a bit of a jerk, the match got played and fun was had by all even if it did not officially count. However, if they do want to apply the rule, you, the captain, head honcho, ruler of the realm, Karen, the baby sitter you put in charge and the unregistered one should just cough up fee and be done with it.
     
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  23. Tennis Truth

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    A bunch of people here have pointed out that fee shifting should not occur in this instance since everyone played tennis, basically as it should have been.

    Maybe the rules were drawn up poorly, but where I play, fee shifting only occurs for a no-show. It makes sense for a no-show team to pay for the whole court, but what is the rationale for fee shifting here? Everyone played. The rules can default the team with the unregistered player, and I think that fixes everything.

    So if someone gets three strikes and is moved up a level during the season, and their matches are defaulted, is this a fee shifting instance as well?

    There are several different kinds of "defaults" but I know your response is "that is the rules" so then I guess you get the unpleasant task of trying to make someone pay for something that a lot of posters think no one should have to pay for.
     
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  24. Cindysphinx

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    You know, I hadn't considered that. That's a clever argument.

    Anyway, (I think I said this already, but maybe I didn't) opposing captain took the default and didn't request the fees.
     
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  25. johndagolfer

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    Glad to hear it Cindy. In all fairness that was the right thing for the captain to do.
     
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  26. Tennis Truth

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    I'm glad to hear that as well. I don't think you said that before. Since no fees shifted, we should all just forget about who to blame. It renders that whole blame process moot.
     
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  27. ABtennis

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    I don't mean who created the playing lineup. I mean the list of eligible players from which to choose. That's your responsibility as captain. Anybody who hasn't registered shouldn't be on a list of eligible players. And save the attitude. Now I see why you have nothing better to do than spew 12,000 posts, 98% of which are worthless drivel.
     
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  28. Cindysphinx

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    The "list of eligible players from which to choose" is the roster on Tennislink.

    Do you even play league tennis?
     
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  29. ABtennis

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    You've done a fabulous job of confusing me. Was she registered or not? How is her name on the tennislink roster without registering? the captain sends her the team code, and then she can register and shows on the roster.
     
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    Your measley 8 posts (with half of them bellyaching because you weren't bright enough to understand that you can't self-rate at 3.0 and then beat everyone in both 3.0 and 3.5 without getting DQ'd) begs the question: And just how would you know that 98% of her 12K posts are worthless drivel?

    Hmmmm?


    And you can save the attitude too Captain DQ....
     
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  31. JoelDali

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    This thread is further proof why the divorce rate is so high.

    Put your faith in the Eagle and not people.

    People let you down but the Eagle remains.
     
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  32. tennis tom

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    Ooh, ooh, I think I know the answer to this one!!! Because he can READ!

    And how big a post count is required before you can have attitude? I'm guessing 162.

    Oh, the internet is such fun, sure beats working.
     
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    firstly, stop stalking me thunder thighs. secondly, does 162 posts in 4 years make you some type of board security guard? and you're the troll because you're getting unnecessarily involved. there's a reason she has 12k posts. I can guarantee you they're not all profound bits of wisdom. Who the hell has this much drama in their lives playing tennis, namely USTA? It's supposed to be fun and competitive. I am relatively new to tennis, but that's why I played USTA.

    If it's about fighting with opponents and teammates, then I'll quit and leave it to Grandma Sphinx.
     
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    *going back into the kitchen for another bag of popcorn --grabbing blanket too*
     
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  35. Cindysphinx

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    If you are "relatively new to tennis," then that explains a few things. It means you probably do not know how to captain a team. And it definitely means you do not know the difference between a Tennislink roster and an email distribution list.

    Watch and learn, grasshopper. If your captain ever asks you to be acting captain, pay attention to what you are doing because you are responsible for your actions. If you send out a match reminder that sends 8 people to the wrong place, don't expect anyone else to eat the $340 error but you.
     
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  36. Coach Carter

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    I too feel that the payment would only come into play if there was a default with no match played. The other team got a match...shouldn't matter after that...unless this is some sort of "loser pays" league...which would be an interesting premise.
     
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    Cindy was quite clear from her first post that the player had not registered on tennislink prior to her match. So no, she wasn't registered on tennislink.

    Captain has list of players (and their emails) that she wants on team. She emails them the code to register for said team on tennislink. It is the player's responsibility to do so before her first match, at which point her name shows up on that team's roster on tennislink. Quite simple really.

    If you're confused...ask. Try that before throwing around the insults.
     
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  38. jmnk

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    I think ABtennis is saying that Cindy emailed the designated captain the list of players, and that list contained players that were, well, not-yet-verified-whether-they-registered. So Cindy expected the designated captain to know that players on the emailed list --may-- not be eligible, and she apparently expected the co-captain to check on the tennislink herself. If it was me being a designated captain, and I was given a list of players from the main captain to choose a lineup from, it would have never crossed my mind to go on tennislink and check. But maybe Cindy did indicate on the email that the eligibility of those players need to be verified.
    I think ABtennis is quite clear in the post below what his line of thinking was. Not sure where do you see ABtennis insulting anybody.

     
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    That's exactly what I'm asking. If the player hadn't registered on tennislink, why would the captain put her on "email distribution list" or whatever else she calls it? I maybe new to tennis, but common sense should prevail. How about not including an unregistered player on any team correspondence or informal roster. It's simple, you haven't registered, you aren't considered eligible.
     
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    SHocking that someone who hasn't ever been captain before has very strong opinions about how things should be done differently.
     
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  41. Topaz

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    Seriously? It is the player's responsibility to register once they have the code and before their first match. Babysitting is not actually a captaining duty. This is why many have questioned that you are new to tennis and/or have not captained...because your comments are showing a bit of ignorance as to how things actually and realistically occur.

    Good point.
     
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    LMAO what fantasy world do you live in? Politicians, corporate CEOs and even military commanders ALWAYS pin errors and mistakes on underlings and patsies and never take the blame of fall for mistakes. It’s practically routine. If this wasn’t the case our jails would be filled with people formerly in position of power.
     
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    I did not give anyone a list of players from which to choose. Had I done that, the error would be my fault, of course.

    The acting captain apparently looked at old emails to see who was receiving them and then *assumed* that every individual who received the team code had actually registered. That is sloppy, and this time it backfired.

    :sigh:

    There are many reasons to have unregistered players on team correspondence.

    See, as a captain, you go out and recruit people one by one. As they agree to join, you add them to the email distribution. This often happens before the season begins and before team codes are available.

    The reason you do this is to keep people informed. As the season approaches, the captain gets a variety of information that the players need to know. Rule changes. Size of league. When play will start and begin. And of course, the team code. There are also players who have committed to play but who need to see the season schedule before they will register so they can be sure they are sufficiently available to make it worth it.

    In addition, I will occasionally have a player on the email distribution list who is unlikely to play. Hannah (the lady whose husband is struggling with cancer) is an example. Sure, I could kick her to the curb, but she wants to remain part of the team so I keep her on the email distribution. Same for Nancy, who blew out her achilles just before the season began.

    So. If you are acting captain, do not just go find an old email and assume every recipient is eligible to play a match. Print off a scoresheet, look at the names on the bottom, and go from there.
     
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    I would agree with you that if anything the non-registered player should pay for the default. but I think Cindy is somewhat suggesting it is designated captain fault.....

    Also, according to Cindy, --it is-- captain's duty to babysit. :)

     
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    i'm confused... So you are saying that the said designated captain was completely free to put up a lineup with --any-- player she wanted? I mean if she managed to recruit someone in like an hour, have had register, you would have no issues with her adding folks to the team? I'm not sure why --not giving her a list of people top pick from-- argument is working for you......
     
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    Um . . .

    The acting captain had freedom to put together any line-up she saw fit. *Any line-up.*

    If she wanted to add a player to the roster, that would be unusual but would be OK. Remember, I was unavailable. If we were going to default a line because we didn't have six people, it would be fine by me for her to go find a warm body to play the match and avoid a default.

    Similarly, acting captain is free to scramble the pairings, to decide whether to accept a default of the opponent and to handle anything and everything that could conceivably come up concerning match administration.

    That's what delegating is all about. Acting captain was free to do whatever it took to field a team for that match.
     
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    Fair enough, that is your point of view. It just seems that perhaps it would be a bit unusual to expect such freedom/flexibility elsewhere. I mean if one acts as a manager of a team in a workplace because the real one is on week long PTO, you wouldn't really expect him to fire/hire people. heck, you probably wouldn't even expect him to accept any new project for the team.
     
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  48. Cindysphinx

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    I don't think I authorized the acting captain to dissolve the team, launch a coup, pursue a personal vendetta against someone by deleting her from the team, etc.

    She was authorized to handle that one match from soup to nuts in accordance with the local rules. That's not at all unusual.
     
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    I see. It's fairly clear to me now. In my opinion, it's still Sphinx's fault to a large degree. There's really no point arguing this forever. And what's with the constant jabs at me for not having captained a team? Considering this is my 3rd year playing tennis and 1st year of USTA, it's not reasonable to expect me to have captained. I may lack experience, but I think I have common sense, which should be all that's necessary. Oh and it helps if you're aren't a jaded old battle axe ready to go to war with everyone.

    Is captaining a recreational team really a duty designated for the elite? Some of you people are way overestimating the duties of a captain. I co-founded a company with several hundred employees so I'm assuming captaining 12-18 hacks for 10 weeks is a walk in the park.

    I'll ask 1 final question to Grandma Sphinx- if captaining is such a headache and you're surrounded by incompetence, why do you continue to do it? Are you a glutton for punishment? I'm guessing it's some type of lame power trip.
     
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  50. Timbo's hopeless slice

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    Hmm, you're a rather unpleasant individual, aren't you?

    I think the funniest element of your semi-incoherent rants are the constant references to Ms Sphinx as some sort of ageing semi illiterate harridan with nothing better to do than fret over her USTA team..

    Your ignorance seems matched only by your arrogance...
     

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