More Chaos On Team Sphinx

Discussion in 'Adult League & Tournament Talk' started by Cindysphinx, Oct 27, 2011.

  1. tennis tom

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    OK, the gloves are off, this is gonna' be a good one, I can tell. I'm maken' a run to Safeway for popcorn.
     
  2. Cindysphinx

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    The issue isn't whether you've captained a team (although if you had, you would know what you were talking about).

    The issue is that you don't know what you're talking about.

    Now run along, Sonny. Ya bother me.
     
  3. dizzlmcwizzl

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    After you have played tennis for more than a week ... and then had the experience of playing for a quality captain versus someone who merely organizes tennis for 12-18 hacks come back and explain the difference.

    The reason anyone would captain is that so few can do it well. Once you play for a poor captain and decide that you can do a better job ... try it.

    You will spend hours on this board lamenting 3.0-4.0 prima-donnas, last minute cancellations, folks with the unwillingness to open their check books and almost every league player's inability to know the rules.

    But until you have some tennis-life experience your opinion is less than worthless, it is just hurtful.
     
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  4. tennis tom

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    The piling on begins, who said, "Tennis isn't a team sport except, for the Davis Cup."? I'm calling my London bookie.
     
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    :):twisted::-?:???:
     
  6. JoelDali

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    Captain = Cindy
    Acting Captain = Cindy

    There is no such thing as an acting captain.

    You are the captain.

    You must look at tennis link and confirm your players. Most diligent captains spend hours on tennis link checking all teams in addition to their own.

    This thread is so fail.

    Whether AB has 10 or 10,000 posts you ladies shouldn't twist this situation and deny the basic responsibilities of captaining.

    How absurb to say this 'acting captain' should have checked tennis link.

    For someone that spends 23 hrs a day on the Internet to not check tennis link or teach the acting captain how to print score cards that have ALL eligible names is a big mouth watering juicy fail sandwich. But yet you complain that she wrote scores on a non-scorecard cocktail napkin or whatever.

    Drama. Lame. Fail.
     
  7. Datacipher

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    REREAD my post Devilito....reread the very post you quoted. Nowhere did I say it doesn't happen. It most certainly does, Cindy is living proof of it.

    What I am saying is that it is not the right thing to do. A good leader doesn't say....murder his followers....but yes, in the real world this happens sometimes. That won't stop me from calling them on it.
     
  8. Datacipher

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    It is that, along with the drama. She whines about it, but she loves it, she loves attention, and thinks everyone should support her, but typically does not realize or recognize her hypocrisy and self-centered attitude. You nailed it whether you've read her previous threads or not....that is what she does.
     
  9. kylebarendrick

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    This whole mess is an example of why I don't let acting captains make too many decisions. I send out a PDF of the completed line-up for them to print and bring to the match. I give them the emails and phone numbers of everyone on the team in case of a last minute cancellation. If possible, I keep my phone nearby so I can help out remotely if they manage to run into a problem.

    At least I don't have to deal with deciding who is at fault for court fees. Around here the home team arranges for the courts (default or not) and my whole team splits the cost of our home courts for the season.

    All that said, I don't really fault anyone in this case. Captains send out emails to the prospective team members all the time (as Cindy pointed out). The fact that at least one player hadn't rostered is completely normal (I'm always harrassing people to roster). Forgetting to print the line-up and checking to see if everyone was in tennislink is a common mistake for rookie/acting captains. They tend to only make that mistake once. And individual players can never be trusted to answer the question "have you registered for the team?" I guess since the other captain didn't demand court fees for the default no harm was done and lessons were learned.
     
  10. Cindysphinx

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    Yes, I usually handle everything for an acting captain other than the on-site match administration.

    This match was unusual, though. I was on a plane on my way to Nationals two days before the match. The day before the match I was in practices and team meetings (and harassing the darn property manager to get the WI-FI password). The day of the match I played two matches and was at the venue all day with my phone off almost the entire time.

    If the captain cannot be available to resolve last-minute problems, it is better to give the whole match to someone in the same time zone with access to a Tennislink.

    Or maybe I just should have skipped Nationals so I could make sure this day league match was handled properly . . . .
     
  11. tennis tom

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    Sounds like you're juggling too many tennis balls and you dropped one. I know one woman who brags about being on six teams and is always injured.
     
  12. NJ1

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    At this level, tennis is supposed to be about fun and fitness. It doesn't make you or break you, it's not your job. I'd hit the reset button if it ever got to this.
     
  13. Topaz

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    Still coming to WDC this weekend? Or were you not being serious?
     
  14. kylebarendrick

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    As I wrote, I'd chalk this up to "stuff happens" and frankly none of it (even coughing up money for a defaulted court) is life or death. I'd still have sent the line-up to the acting captain, though, with carte blanche to make changes if someone bails out.
     
  15. Cindysphinx

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    I see your point, but I have stopped doing that.

    The reason is that if I send out a line-up and then am not around to resolve problems, we can get problems. Acting captain sees it as "my" line-up and she is less willing to change it without my OK. If I'm around to give the OK, then there is no issue. But if I cannot be reached . . . I think having my fingerprints off of it completely is the cleanest and least confusing way to go.

    It's funny how folks won't use their judgment even when you tell them to. Like, I have had times when we had a default. We have five players, and we need to win two courts. My acting captains call me to decide who sits and who plays. If they cannot reach me, they stick with the pre-default line-up even though it might make the strongest player sit out.

    I understand that, but this refusal to exercise judgment is much more pronounced when it is "my" line-up.
     
  16. Nellie

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    I would offer to score it 6-0, 6-0 for the other team. It may not make any difference on the match score, but who knows what tie breakers are used for the league when it comes to end of the season.

    However, I don't really see how you can put in a score if one of your players is not registered before the match. I did not think that tennislink would let you put in a score for a player that was not registered prior to the match. I guess you would have to list another player, which seems shady.

    If I was the coach of the other team, I would not take your money since my team had a good match and presumably enjoyed themselves.
     
  17. jc4.0

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    Dramatic license?

    "When Karen goes to enter the scores, she learns that Janet on Court One forgot to register. League rules say a court is defaulted if an unregistered player plays. Defaulting team owes other team $68 in case of default."

    let's get back to the original question - you want the league to change the rules for you? No matter that you, Captain Marvelous, were not present, why should that happen? Pay the fine and move on. Enough drama already.
     
  18. Sakkijarvi

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    Chalk another one up to disharmony. To date, the only chat board I have ever experienced that didn't go down this road was the SAAB user net, at least back in the day when I had reason to be there.

    My conclusion: SAAB owners are more mature than tennis players.

    Otay, now I thought I read that the team captains could have made an amicable agreement to waive off the fee, accept the results on the spot, day of the match. If that was possible then, it is possible after the fact and my decision is ...
     
  19. Sakkijarvi

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    ... I wouldn't fork over a cent.

    Now'd you ever try and replace the blower fan in a SAAB 9000? You have to take apart half the car to get to the fan. But those folks at the SAAB user net, the ones that never hitch a ride on the ad hominem (American way) bus ... they had all kinds of good instructions posted there.
     
  20. Cindysphinx

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    I have no idea what you are talking about, but I am mesmerized.

    Tell me more, Sakkijarvi, tell me more!
     
  21. tennis tom

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    Trust me Cindy, you don't want to know of the intricacies of the Saab 9000's blower fan. The knowledge could mess with your game for weeks and has given many tennis elbow, (also known as Saab blower elbow). Leave well enough alone.
     
  22. MSL

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    What you need is a co-captain... not an "acting captain"... someone who actually knows what they are doing and keeps up with the team on a week to week basis. I'm guessing you probably have a difficult time getting/keeping co-captains.

    Since this acting captain obviously had no clue what to do, you should have provided a list of people eligible to play.
     
  23. Cindysphinx

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    Nah, you would be guessing wrong. Co-captains -- an interesting issue.

    I do not use co-captains. I find it quicker and easier to captain without having a side-kick.

    I have had co-captains in the past, but I stopped doing that years ago. I found my co-captains didn't contribute much beyond affirming what I suggested that we do, yet needing to run everything by them made captaining more time-consuming.

    The final straw was when I realized that having someone with the official title of co-captain was downright hazardous. In our league, captains often give notice to one another about things like defaults in advance. Giving notice to the co-captain OR captain is sufficient. There were a couple of times when my co-captains received notice of a default, but I did not, and my co-captain didn't tell me on the assumption that I had been informed.

    I have been someone's co-captain many times. In those cases, it is a new captain who wants someone to teach her the ropes. After the first year, she flies solo.

    I have also been asked to co-captain a few times because the captain anticipated being away for part of the season. I will decline all such requests in the future. There is something about having co-captain next to your name that gives permission for players and opponents to dump issues into your lap for the entire season. I don't have time for that beyond the one team I choose to captain, so I won't be co-captain any more.

    Of course, if the captain is like the CEO like some have said, then having a co-captain wouldn't have made a difference in this instance. :)
     
  24. JavierLW

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    You should still lose that match by default. It's pretty clear that players need to be registered to play, that is a widespread national USTA rule.

    But you shouldnt owe $68 because after all the opponents did get to use the courts and they were able to play tennis. The $68 should only be for cases where the court went unused. (at least that would be my argument)


     

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