More Difficult to Learn: Baseline Tennis or Serve and Volley?

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  1. BeGreat

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    is it harder to be a rocket scientist or a retail clerk??
    just look at the number of people serving and volleying, vs. number of people grinding from the baseline.

    serving and volleying is inifintely harder because it requires so much risk. it's not technically more difficult because hitting winners from the baseline requires just as much skill. but, it requires a unique type of player, someone who wants to dictate play.
    you gotta have a fantastic serve, especially second serve (for those 4-4, 30-30 points), and a smashing good first volley. and, you gotta hit a serve and volley within about 1 second.
     
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  2. NLBwell

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    Once you learn to hit a forehand and a backhand, baseline tennis is practiced to become good at it. Serve and volley must be learned - almost like a ballroom dance - and then practiced and perfected. Therefore, serve and volley is much more difficult to learn.
     
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  3. Shroud

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    Excellent points!

    Though I learned a S&V game somehow. It was easier I guess because I still havent learned a baseline game.

    It has a lot to do with how you are wired too. S&V just makes sense to me. Camping out on the baseline extending points, running around, "building points", playing chess-- just seems like a bore. Give me running headlong into a buzzsaw repeatedly any day!!

    Also S&V is a must in doubles so if you plan to play tennis for a lifetime it is best to learn some type of S&V
     
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  4. downdaline

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    From my own personal experience, serve & volley is easier to learn than baseline point construction.

    But to MASTER, S&V is waaaaay more difficult, I find.
     
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  5. Fuji

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    Baseline play is way harder to learn, so many more moving parts involved it makes it ridiculous to learn from the beginning.

    I started as a serve and volley player, needless to say I did learn how to grind and play super defense baseline tennis, but it took a good 3-4 years of consistent practice for me to be 100% comfortable to have baselining as my primary strategy. Also, at higher levels of tennis Serve and volley just isn't as viable since guys can just wreck your life if they have a half decent return. Baselining works 60% of the time, everytime. ;)

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  6. tennis_avid

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    S & V is harder to learn and it's for more advanced player. Baseline stroke must be first.
    Looks at pros. How many times in a match they do serve & volley?
     
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  7. tlm

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    They don't s+v often because it does not work effectively at the pro level, its not because they are not good at it.
     
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  8. tlm

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    I see quite a few rec players that are good at net play. I think there is to much emphasis on S+V only in this discussion. I see a lot of guys that come in quite often and are effective with this style but they rarely come in right behind their serve. they wait for the right shot to come in on when they have forced a weak reply and follow it in to the net.
     
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  9. chunlimeyers

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    SV is MUCH more difficult than baseline play. The main reasons are 1)athleticism, and 2)hand/eye reflexes. If I don't practice SV or even approach and volley, hitting half volleys, stretch volleys, all seem lost. Where I can with only a couple minutes of hitting time get my timing back and hit decent groundstrokes.

    Also, the footwork to master SV is way more difficult and explosive to be good. So, if I have an lower body injury of any kind, I know to stay back, as I have to explode after my split step to get where i need to be, whether it be left, right, or BACKWORDS for a lob(not many times at the baseline does one have to explode backwords or cross step backwords for a groundstroke at the baseline).

    And serving.. Well, i just can serve to a weakness and start the point if I stay back. If I try to SV, i either want the guy stretched out or out of court, or both, so I can get an easy chest high or weakly hit shot. So, serve mastery is much higher being able to aim for targets and hit them, and then still being able to explosively move to the ball.

    And finally court surfaces. I get my timing nice on a fast court, and have to play on a slow clay court. Now, my serve isn't as effective, my volleys can be run down and then I have to hit ANOTHER volley, or, ANOTHER overhead, it can then get to be a PAIN, and wear one out much more than staying back and hitting defensive lobs or tracking down a couple volleys.

    And the hand/eye... with various spins coming at you on both returns and passing shots and different players, you have to be able to volley heavy spin shots to heavy backspin shots to just flat bombs hit right at you or by you. And be quick enough to get to all of these things. And if you over close the net, you actually take time away from your reactions and also can be easily lobbed(won a tournament final exploiting a short guys weakness doing this against me).

    Oh, just one correction of the above post, Edberg only served like 105, and his second serve was like 85, but had massive spin and kicked high giving him mostly an easy chest high volley. He also was an elite athlete who weighed nothing and was quick as a cat. You don't need all that to swing from the baseline.
     
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  10. PhrygianDominant

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    The one glaring difference I have found between net and baseline play, is that once you make the decision to come in you can no longer hit a neutralizing shot, or extend the rally. The pressure to create offense every time the ball crosses the net makes executing serve and volley play that much more difficult. This is a huge psychological factor in our ability to effectively execute.

    In contrast, baseliners, even those willing to come in, can loop the ball back or hit another slice if they didn't like the look they got. Once you come in however, it's do or die.

    Serve and Volley was harder to begin with. With modern developments in strings, racquets, and technique, it has only gotten less effective and more difficult.
     
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  11. corbind

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    The faster you hit a serve the less you can get to the net before the thing comes back. That's why hitting those wicked kickers got him volleying around the service line. Well that and his incredible forward leg speed.
     
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  12. Attila_the_gorilla

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    I think in the old days originally players tried to finish off points faster because of the inconsistent bounce on the surface. Nowadays even grass plays pretty consistently, so they're not afraid to rally.
     
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  13. LeeD

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    Old daze, lots of big strong gorillas who didn't want to extend points, because they can hammer serves and volley winners.
    Nowadaze, much more fitness and movement with legs and changes of direction, allowing a baseliner to succeed.
     
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  14. Bagumbawalla

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    Forgive me for not reading all the other replys.

    You ask, which style is harder to learn. Think about the style you pay, now-- The other style is obviously more difficult.

    Having said that, few people play a true serve/volley style, now, but the reason is not because it is harder to learn.
     
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  15. LeeD

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    The reason is because it takes too much athletic prowess just to stay even with a baseliner, and more needed if succeeding is a goal.
     
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  16. Bagumbawalla

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    Yes, that is the reason.
     
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  17. PhrygianDominant

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    That's a good point and one that is probably seldom mentioned.
     
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  18. LeeD

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    Old daze, fitness was not nearly as uniform as nowadaze.
    So old farts, who never ran, never trained, only played tennis for exercise, needed to end point quickly.
    Old daze, some guys smoked, some drink alcohol, some ate ice cream and Doritos for dinner.
     
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