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  1. adidasman

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    Commenting on Barack Obama's inauguration, and comparing his accomplishments to hers:

    "I definitely think myself and Venus has opened up a lot of doors, being the first African Americans to do so much in tennis," Serena said.
    "But I never really look at that. I just look at trying to stay focused."

    Ummm, Serena, you might want to look up "Ashe, Arthur", or "Gibson, Althea". They did a bit in tennis before you and your sister arrived on the scene, amazingly enough, and in a much more challenging era for African-Americans. Yeah, I know. I'm a Serena basher. Right. If she'd stop saying such idiotic, narcissistic things, I'd be happy to stop bashing.
     
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  2. ESP#1

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    Yea she aint the brightest one out there, I also think shes overrated as a tennis player, i mean she has a horrible net game and no foot work, i think venus is alot more talented
     
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  3. TonyB

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    Exactly how does tennis relate to the Presidency?

    She's got major ego issues. Yeah, there WERE black tennis players before the Williams sisters came along. Serena just doesn't like to admit that. Allow me to make a prediction: "Arthur Ashe Stadium" will never be renamed to "The Williams Sisters Stadium." Sorry, ain't gonna happen.


    What really gets me is that the ONLY people I ever see making a big deal about black athletes is black athletes themselves. Nobody else cares, but every chance they get they keep pounding the table about African-American accomplishments. How can racial inequality die if they won't let it?

    Similarly, every time Obama's name is mentioned, it's always "the first African-American President-elect Obama." Give it a rest. We know he's black. Big deal. When I look at him or hear him talk, I think of a US President, nothing more, nothing less. When people constantly qualify their accomplishments by adding "African-American" to it, that just brings another, nonessential, dimension into the topic. And I say nonessential because at this point in American history, it's not about keeping accomplishments separate any longer. People like to preach equality, but then turn around and speak in segregating terms every chance they get.
     
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  4. split-step

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    I have no comment until the entire article is posted. Lots of things can be made to sound ridiculous when taken out of context.

    Both Venus and Serena are very conscious of the black tennis players who went before them, especially of Althea Gibson. They have mentioned this a good number of times.

    And Serena's comments are factual. They are the first african americans to do as much as they've done.

    Between them they have 16 slams.
    One of them won 4 slams in a row. They both ushered a new era in women's tennis. What's to argue with?
     
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  5. sureshs

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    Serena has said that Althea Gibson was one of her idols, along with Billie Jean King. The sisters are regulars at the Arthur Ashe day events at the USO. As usual, Serena haters like to pounce on her, with some pious excuse.
     
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  6. ThugNasty

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    psh she probably didnt even know who althea gibson was until she probably became a professional :rolleyes: Plus no one should even look at Serena as an African American role model. There is only one in tennis and his name was Arthur Ashe. I saw a documentary on him, he was an amazing man.
     
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    Yeah, growing up, I used the Head Arthur Ashe Competition I which was an awesome racket with two aluminum sheets sandwiched over fiberglass. Then, I saved up and got the Arthur Ashe Competition II, which was Aluminum sandwiched over Boron/Fiberglass. I read Arthur Ashe's biography as I learned tennis, and I considered him to be one of my all time heroes and a role model . . . and I'm Korean.

    He graduated UCLA, and so did I. Of course, not the same year. I wish he had lived longer.
     
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  8. DarthFed

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    Gael Monfils is my African American Tennis role model

    (im black by the way so no race card crap i just can't stand Serena)
     
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    African American?

    How does one say that in French? (the language of Mofils' homeland)

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    Yes i know he's french....technically he's Caribbean but thats something else

    As a black man...kid...i need at least one Black tennis player to cheer for...Donald Young sure as hell aint it...can't stand the williams so i'll go with Monfils....he could have easily been in the NBA
     
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  11. split-step

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    black people are not exempt from being racist. even to other black people.

    Watch boondocks sometime.
     
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  12. DarthFed

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    I do watch Boondocks and i love it...i just can't stand the williams

    Correction, Venus is okay, she has class and poise, its Serena i can't stand

    The Monfils thing was a Joke though he is one of my favorite players
     
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    Love the part about playing like a loser:)
     
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    Hmmm... funny thing is I saw that press conference and she made those comments jokingly and with a smile on her face the whole time.

    Serena isn't a tennis historian and I bet the majority of players don't acknowledge the pioneers and trail blazers of the sport as much as they should.

    Ironically, Serena is involved in a bunch of charity events and functions which help breathe new life into the sport. I remember seeing her playing a charity event and she could barely walk due to injuries she sustained on tour. She could have easily opted out of the event but she said charity events meant that much to her so she played injured.

    Some people on just intent on bashing the sisters, while they are bashing there way to the Tennis Hall of Fame. Serena has 9 slams and counting she will be in the history books along with the other greats. She isn't the most thoughtful speaker but her game speaks volumes. IMO politics and sports have always been a bad mix.
     
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  15. miyagi

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    To be honest I think you are an idiot.....

    Whilst she may not have been wholy accurate in her comparison her sentiments can be understood by a 5 yr old.....instead of being blinded by your dislike for her just try to comprehend what she is saying....

    Which is that she is happy about the election of Obama and her and her sister HAVE indeed opened doors they made the womens game far more popular now not only did they raise the standard and increased viewing figures they have enabled other black children to think/believe it is possible to suceed in a sport that has been dominated by white athletes....

    To say nobody cares about black athletes is BS when people cared enough STOP them from taking part atheletics, in golf, in football, in tennis as well as other sports.....Go speak to Tiger woods and ask him what it was like?! Ask Lewis Hamilton whether he gets the same treatment as Michael or Alonso and we are in 2009 where all of this racism has been dead and buried.

    As for Obama....if you dont like that they use the term Afro American well it's tough because just as many white people are using the term when refering to him as black people are....and the reason isn't because he is black no one mentions 50 Cent being a Afro-American when he is on stage but they did mention Eminem is white when he first came out because it is not the norm.....and just 50 years ago blacks weren't even allowed to vote let alone thought they could be the president of the USA.

    So next time you want to comment on the do's and donts of what a particular race should be doin.....go read a some history before you start talking crap and try to under stand someones perspective other than your own.....
     
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    LMAO I have seen it all! :shock:
    It's official The Boondocks is proof positive that African Americans are racist. Last time I checked that cartoon was meant to be satirical in nature. Most African Americans I know think it is offensive and degrading.
     
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  17. TonyB

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    You seem to have missed my point entirely.

    Bottom line is: you don't eliminate racism by continually shoving "African-American accompishments" into people's faces, especially the racists themselves. It just doesn't work. You eliminate it by treating everone equally, and not making huge political and athletic statements by touting the achievements of a select few "special" African-Americans. To me, pointing out how great those select few are is just as racist as anything else.


    But obviously you've got everything figured out yourself. Congratulations. Clearly, I still need some work on my ideals and political-correctness. So be it.


    By the way, I think it's absolutely, positively HILARIOUS that you're using sports analogies to try to prove your racism-is-not-dead theory (Tiger Woods? Come on.). If anything, athletics is the one area that proves that racism *IS* dead. Must be something like 95% black and 5% white in the NBA. Maybe 85% black and 15% white in the NFL. Care to make an estimate about pro baseball? And don't even get me started on track and field. Things have been changing for decades and will probably continue to change. There will always be prejudices against everyone of all colors and ethnicity. That will never change. But to constantly point out "African-American accomplishments" is just keeping those prejudices alive and stirring up emotions on both sides of the racist aisle.
     
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  18. jamesblakefan#1

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    What a/b James Blake? Just asking?
     
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  19. DarthFed

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    Im going to be 100% honest...i forgot all about Blake:oops:
     
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  20. Mick

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    maybe Serena believes that her sister and her accomplished more than AG and AA did in tennis. If you compare grand slam titles, the sisters would have more than any other african american tennis player. that would be an undeniable fact.
     
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  21. miyagi

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    Racism was created by one race thinking it was superior than another and trying to enforce that thought....it had nor does it have anything to do with shoving anything down your throat!

    How the hell can they be forcing anything when the majority of people using the term Afro Amercian were news papers and broadcasting mediums....when have you ever heard a black person use the term Afro-American in conversation??

    Racism is refusing a person a job solely because of their colour or harming a person because of their colour or stopping a race from voting because of their colour it is NOT a person saying I have done something good and now people who are the same colour as me will and can do it too!!

    Clearly you are an ass!!
     
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  22. TonyB

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    Wow. I don't even know where to begin with that one.



    After careful consideration, I won't even bother.
     
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    of course not but maybe they might have a new stadium named after them like pat rafter did this year.
     
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    That's why I don't really fancy her. She's just a plain idiot. Not to blame it all on her given the genes coursing their her blood from her idiotic father.
     
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  25. janipyt05

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    Why is being called an Afro American such a big deal isn't it what they are, off African decent born in America, maybe that is what they should say instead but again that is long.

    Black people make a deal because they weren't exactly welcomed with open arms but rather had to fight to be who we and fight yet further to be FREE something which i think your post does not encapsulate. So yes if they choose to shout from the roof top just move out the way let it be done and move on. It is true that the Williams sister combined have done a lot for tennis, between the 2 of them they have plenty of trophies, singles, doubles, Olympics and so on.

    Why must it a be made a big deal if she talks about she was after all asked, not like she was like I’m just so dame hot. She was asked she answered. To compare to Presidency is just about the struggle black people have gone through on all levels in many situations nothing more.. As to whether they should compare it is ones choice really.

    Yes off course i think telecasters should mention that Obama is African American because that is what he is and that is the best term to describe him. It not only tells you he is African but he is also an American and proudly so. A lot of people are proud to have THE first Black President born of a Kenyan father and a white mother, the seemingly impossible is now and forever will be possible.

    I’m sorry its not about giving it a rest, when slavery was for so long, when black people couldn’t share the bus with white folks, when slaves where raped by the Massa, when they where hanged, burned, decapitated, bought and sold like clothing, when they couldn’t go to school, you don’t even need to look that far, even as short as 60 years ago when they couldn’t vote, when JFK fought for the equal rights and he was killed, when Martin Luther King fought for equal rights and he was killed, those things can not be forgotten so YES do say he is a African American President, because with that title it says so much yet takes so little to say.

    You may not feel it’s important but it is very important, because finally the Black man has arrived when for so long we have been looking ahead at a journey that seemed impossible. You say when you see him as US President that’s just it we black people even other races recognise the importance of Obama. So no I don’t just see him as just another President.

    Then you quote different sports like Basketball, NFL Track and Field, well black people are good at these kinds of sports, you don’t see too many in Ice Hockey, or deep sea diving, Mountains climbing, or going to space it’s just not what we do because or so little of them do these kinds of things, different strokes for different folks I don’t see anything racist in such statics its fact. To point out the achievements is to be proud when for so long we couldn’t do these things, oppression has been for so long our story but not anymore, if you haven’t felt any of the sufferings of black people and in fact many other races, the Jews, Red then you just don’t understand and will never understand. You also say nobody really care, because if you haven’t felt the suffering why would you care it simply doesn’t affect you so why try to understand.
     
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  26. TonyB

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    Brother, are you Chinese?
     
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    ^^ No i'm not chinese what would it matter if i was and no i'm not a brother. If that is you response you really have nothing to say.
     
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  28. TonyB

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    Are you sure you're not Chinese?
     
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  29. MIGHTY MANFRED THE WONDER

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    No one can say anything about Serena, as there is a good chance she would beat you to a pulp, then eat you.
     
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    Your barking up the wrong tree here.

    Miyagi apparently dosnt have a broad enough knowledge on the subject or is just to closed minded to debate logically with you. He/she will continue to rant about the same narrow minded things over and over again entirely missing the point.
     
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  31. drakulie

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    You will need to excuse, Serena. She was only at 6% during the interview, oh and the sun was in her eyes.
     
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  32. JankovicFan

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    It was "racist" to have asked Serena the question.:shock: It has nothing to do with tennis, and Serena is not a political maven. I don't want to know what she thinks about anything except tennis and how to manage 50 million dollars.
     
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    Hilarious! :)

    Just wondering... was she grunting while answering these questions?

    r,
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  34. janipyt05

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    Yes very sure, is that all you have to say.

    I guess you have no response.
     
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    wow. I love how people just love to take a tiny little snippet out of world history to prove something. (esepcially when it comes to how "terrible" the United States has been to blacks)

    For starters, "slavery wasn't invented by the United States". It was going on hundreds of thousand of years before the US came into existence. In fact, it was being practiced in AFRICA for hundreds and hundreds of years (much longer than the US), and for a longer period after the US abolished it.

    Blacks have had slaves too (whites and other blacks). Blacks have also raped, burned, hanged, etc their slaves as well. Additionally, **currently** continue to practice prejudice/racism against other blacks by murdering/raping them in the tens of thousands to the point where it is being considered genocide.

    Blacks that were sold into slavery here in the US were sold by other blacks in Africa. More-over, many blacks that were freed after the Civil War chose to go back to Africa. Guess what??? many were once again put into slavery by other blacks.

    If you are going to cite history as it pertains to slavery>>> try and give us the whole story. Not just a **VERY** small snippet of it.
     
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  36. Turning Pro

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    She's an EGOTISTICAL SELF LOVING BEACH WHALE. She should look in the mirror and hope for it not to shatter into tiny fragments.
     
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  37. Ocean Drive

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    and you've seen him play basketball...
     
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  38. TheTruth

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    There is nothing wrong with anything Serena said. Period.
     
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  39. heftylefty

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    I very sure Serena know who Gibson was before she turn pro. And Gibson was indeed a role model. Read about her life sometime.
     
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  40. ThugNasty

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    tell me about it. Although had this been a federer thread, you would have come up with the most ridiculous assumptions.
     
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  41. TheTruth

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    Please don't attempt to tell me what I would have said, as I don't know what I will say from moment to moment. I do however think Fed is way more arrogant than Serena, but I'm sure you think that's ridiculous. Difference of opinion.
     
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  42. ThugNasty

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    there is definitely a difference in opinion:)lol: fed more arrogant than serena:lol:), but i was just pointing out some massive double standard.
     
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  43. TheTruth

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    The biggest difference is that you say whatever you please about Federer. You literally lap him up, and that's ok. It doesn't bother me, because I don't care who you like or why. But, I would never post to you to attack your likes or dislikes. There's another difference.
     
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  44. ThugNasty

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    I didnt attack your likes and dislikes either. I just tryed to make a point about how you always turn up the heat in federer threads and than back away when it comes to your favorite players.
     
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    Serena's backhand is better than Federer's.
     
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    Very good post!
    Just as Martin Luther King said:

    'I have a dream that my four children will one day live in a nation where they will not be judged by the color of their skin but by the content of their character.'
     
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  47. TheTruth

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    You take this board way too seriously. Why do you care who anybody likes or dislikes? Live and let live. I'm going to post my thoughts, if you disagree I'm sorry.
     
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    racism and slavery.

    oh the ignorance is so not very blissful to me.
     
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    Wow, never seen such ignorance in one post. I hardly think blacks are saying how slavery only happened to them. By mentioning the slavery of their own race in the U.S. does not negate slavery worldwide. That would be like saying the jews think there the only group of people who suffered mass genoicide during WW II because they keep mentioning it. I love how the "black sold slaves" logic is used, as if that excuses the fact that caucasian Americans and European Americans purchased slaves. It seems that fact is always brought up to try and vitiate the role European and Americans had in purchasing slavery, as if some of them (not all but some) get tense or nervous that members of their own race :gasp: had slaves. Yes it happened a long time ago, yes blacks need to "get over it". But it is apart of history and like every other aspect it should be taught and understood. And let me just conclude (since this isn't the board) that slavery is not the only despicable act that happened. There are plenty of blacks who can remember and have family members remember segregation during the first half of the 20th century in America. Love the "terrible" in quotes too.
     
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    Great post. I totally agree.
     
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