More important event: Madrid or Olympics?

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More important event: Mutua Madrid Open, or the Thirtieth Olympiad?

  1. Madrid

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  2. Olympics

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  3. Irrelevant, as only slams count

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  1. TTMR

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    The answer is pretty obvious if you ask me:

    1000 points > 750 points;

    Legacy of great champion winners > Legacy of journeyman winners drawn from sparse fields;

    Once-in-a-lifetime surface requiring amazing footwork, timing and adaptability > Historic surface butchered by PC deceleration;

    Winner who defeated the very best on road to title > Winner who capitalized on his opponent's surface hardships and another opponent's extreme fatigue.

    It's a shame that the Olympics gets all the hype, as if it is the next biggest title after the Slams in 2012. In reality, it is well below the WTF in terms of prestige, and below all Masters (including Monte Carlo) in terms of importance.

    Let's also discuss this absurd idea that Murray has had a better year than Federer. Federer, battling age and injury, prevailed against the top young players to clinch his seventeenth major. Murray had his first major handed to him (blown his way) on a silver platter. Federer went out and won Wimbledon (and the #1 ranking). Meanwhile, Murray didn't win the US Open; he simply failed to lose it.
     
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  2. jaggy

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    No Cincy option?
     
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  3. SoBad

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    Are you including a poll? This is a close call. Madrid is very important, but so is an Olympics singles gold. Monte Carlo and the French Open have been very significant over the past few years.
     
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  4. Paullaconte1

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    The Olympics are quite overrated but they are definitely more important than Madrid
     
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  5. Mainad

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    Do you mean it is over-hyped just because Murray won it? Why do I have the feeling you wouldn't be pedalling this argument if Federer had won it instead?

    Lol at the idea of poor old Fed hobbling about Wimbledon's hallowed lawns on his zimmer frame, swatting away all those cheeky young bucks trying to stop him winning his 17th major. In reality, it was a great achievement of course but Federer was in peak condition and playing at almost his peak level. The only things he had to battle were the other players.

    Oh change the record, it's becoming wearily familiar. The only guy who got handed a silver platter at the US Open was Novak Djokovic for coming runner-up in the final! A bit of wind, lol? Somehow all the other players couldn't cope with it except for Murray? Do me a favour!! He battled through a much harder draw than Federer ever had to contend with and didn't buckle at the first tough opponent that came his way like Fed did. He went out and won that tournament every bit as fair and square as Federer went out and won Wimbledon. Only a ludicrously biased ******* like yourself would ever try to argue otherwise!

    And yes, I believe the Olympics was a more important event than Madrid (although the ATP doesn't award it as many ranking points). Whatsmore, I'll wager Roger Federer thought it was a more important event as well!
     
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  6. Hood_Man

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    Olympics. It's just that special.
     
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  7. SoBad

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    I agree - no GOAT candidacy without the singles gold.
     
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  8. Sim

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    Agree. Besides, Olympics for tennis is getting more important each time. I'm sure it will be better recognized in the future.
     
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    Olympics means Jacksquat since it not a fair representation of the previous eras.

    Slams existed since the exsistance of amateur tennis....the solely count. No Masters Series, No YEC/Masters/WTF, No GS CUP.
     
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  10. SoBad

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    1. Safin
    2. Nadal-Kafelnikov
    3. Sampras
     
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  11. Zarfot Z

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    Madrid + Monte Carlo < Olympics

    You are heavily delusional OP.
     
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  12. dangalak

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    What a brilliant troll. :oops:
     
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  13. dangalak

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    :lol: :lol: :lol:

    Now I understand you TTMR my friend.
     
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  14. MichaelNadal

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    Olympics are bigger than Madrid. Ask any player they will tell you that. Players shed tears like it's a funeral at the Olympics.
     
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  15. Prisoner of Birth

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    No need to denigrate the Masters, now.
     
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  16. DragonBlaze

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    TTMR, no one ever gets your sarcasm. You should just stop now :lol:
     
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  17. dangalak

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    Are you guys actually unaware of....nevermind.
     
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  18. RF20Lennon

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    LOL why just madrid???
     
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  19. dangalak

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    Federer won it. ;)
     
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  20. JTJet

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    My opinion is that olympics have value to a player, not just by points standards. The best players are now competing in the olympics, showing it has value to them. Having slams is great, but having a medal with slams just adds a bit to it.
     
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  21. OverratedIvanovic

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    Nice troll job :)
     
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  22. Sentinel

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    TTMR is good, one of the best in the business. Five-stars, ole chap.

    p.s. it is sad, most peeps missed his humour.
     
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  23. Sentinel

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    Mainad, TTMR is a Nadal fan. Thought you'd know it by now.

    Second, i think he's trying to point out how absurd it is that Madrid has more points than OG.
     
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  24. ruerooo

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    What is the point of picking out Madrid for this poll?

    You could say the same about any 1000-point Masters (assuming you were going to put together the argument that any one was more important than the Olympics), yes ...?
     
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  25. AnotherTennisProdigy

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    IMO

    Slams------->WTf---->Olympics------------->Masters
     
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  26. Sentinel

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    Cos Federer won Madrid. Surely TTMR won't pick MC :D
     
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  27. batz

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    Some of us get TTMR and always have :)
     
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  28. zagor

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    That depends on whether we consider Madrid that is played on real clay (even then the high altitude degrades it significantly I'm afraid) or that wacky blue stuff that our tennis Spartan warriors find it so hard to play on (which as a consequence allowed the washed up indoor specialist with no BH to win it).

    In short, I think Olympics should be worth 3000 points (as per the suggestion of a certain Nadal fan here), Madrid should be abolished as a tourney and that year end worthless serving contest/cheesy exo should award no points (let alone potentially 1500, what an disgrace!).
     
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  29. batz

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    Only 3000? Why the hate dude? ;)
     
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  30. sunof tennis

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    I agree that the Olympics (at least this year) was far more important than Madrid (especially with the controvery over the blue clay) or any of the other Masters. You are right that Roger would agree. I also agreee that its importance has grown. It will, however, be interesting to see if that continues when it is not played at the hallowed grass courts of Wimbledon.
    Ask any of the players who played, this year's Olympics was special because it was played at Wimbledon.
     
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  31. NDFM

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    The Olympics might be worth less points than Madrid but it means much more to a player personally. It only happens once every four years and you're playing for your country like djokovic, sharapova and a few other tennis players you might get the chance to be your nation's flag bearer.

    For some there is a great sense of pride in being an Olympian and not everyone gets the chance to play i think for tennis they select the best 4 by ranking, that's a very small quota
     
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  32. Orion3

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    In 20 years is anyone seriouly gong to remember who won Madrid in 20xx??
     
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  33. syc23

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    Just ask Roger if he would trade Madrid blue clay title for the Olympics Gold - he's chew your arm off for it.

    I don't seem to recall players crying in madrid but the fact that players did in the Olympics tell you how important players regarded the tournament which was once in a lifetime opportunity to win a historic gold on CC. This blue clay BS tourney doesn't even compare.
     
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  34. Mainad

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    Yeah, I keep forgetting he's posted these kind of threads before. Not sure whether he's trolling Fed fans or Murray fans though. Maybe both. Still, I think my reply stands for those of us on here who genuinely believe what the OP posted. Unfortunately, I suspect there are quite a few!

    Has he ever just come out and said what he really thinks? :wink:
     
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  35. Mainad

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    Winning an Olympic gold medal on the centre court of one of the game's most respected tournaments probably does add a bit of extra frisson to the achievement but, in the end, an Olympic title is an Olympic title no matter where you win it.
     
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  36. *Sparkle*

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    You'd think someone claiming Madrid is more important than the Olympics is on a wind-up, but there are a few tennis fans who seem determined to lobby the tennis world into believing that a gold medal is really on a part with a 500 tournament. Either they are utterly deluded, or they are letting their views be skewed by whether or not it's something their favourite has won, so it's quite a good way of knowing whose opinion can't be trusted.

    All of the big name players (and the lesser known ones) wanted to win it and were prepared to put their performance in Toronto and beyond in jeopardy. That's your answer right there.
     
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  37. MichaelNadal

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    Couldn't agree more. I think they know deep down. If they don't im scared for them to have children lol.
     
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  38. RF20Lennon

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    My question is why Madrid in particular??
     
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  39. hersito

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    Say what ever you people want to say, bash me as much as you want but for me Olympics is the biggest title any athlete can get, even more when the pros are playing, you can only win it once every 4 years, with GS and any other tournament you have a chance every year.
     
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  40. Gonzo_style

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    Olympic by far
     
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  41. underground

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    Olympics is really rare, you only get it once per 4 years.

    However, Madrid on blue clay will only ever happen once, and it was won by the GOAT, so obviously it's more important.
     
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  42. veroniquem

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    According to the ATP system, any master (except maybe M-C) is more important than the Olympics. The Olympics only counts as a 500 in the player's ranking total- like DC (even though it gives a bit more points). Of course, the reality is that the Madrif smurf circus is a complete joke, never mind being forced to pretend this buffoon fiasco is legit...
     
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  43. Alchemy-Z

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    Olympics is not about the points.

    people have several master shields...its a very small group of tennis players that have multiple medals....if any at all
     
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  44. veroniquem

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    Sure but one could also argue that neither Olympics nor DC should be regarded as fully individual achievements. In both of them, you represent your country and win the medal/trophy for your country rather than for just yourself. Spain/ Serbia/ USA, etc has X Olympic medals and X DC titles. DC is a team event anyway. In the case of masters and slams, you win them for yourself alone, so those are true individual achievements.
     
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  45. フェデラー

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    Yep, Borg, Sampras, Federer, not goat contenders at all.
     
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  47. Prisoner of Birth

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    McDonald's for 100K. Less stressful and easier paycheck. But I'd still take the Olympics.
     
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    .......................

    Yes that is why he took an MTO against Malisse and moved like a 60 year old.

    WTF>GS. You have one chance every year to win WTF. You have 4 chances to win a major. :lol:

    What a crock.
     
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  49. hersito

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    of course I was talking about GS individually hence you have 4 chances to win wimbledon, AO, RG or USO for every 1 chance you have for winning the olimpics. But that's a good way to twist the meaning of what I said, you should look for a job at fox news...
     
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    :lol::lol::lol:
     
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