Most efficient service motions

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  1. jamauss

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    In your opinion, which players have/had the most efficient service motions? Here's some I've come up with:

    1. Federer
    2. Ljubicic
    3. Ivanisevic
    4. Roddick?
     
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  2. Polaris

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    Among those four, I like Federer's and Ivanisevic's.

    But I also like Safin's. He can deliver a bomb in a rather casual way.
     
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  3. Serve_n_volley

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    I think technically, Federer has the most effiecient serve motion because he is so relaxed and really just lets his racquet drop, but i like roddick's mation a lot more, and I think it's simple, yet explosive.
     
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    Ivanisevic. Total weight transfer into the shot, and yet, so relaxed and smooth. Such a skinny guy, and he can blew a bomb whenever he wanted.

    Simply marvelous :)
     
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    *Roddick's-explosive, super fast
    *Federer's very good placement
    *Safin's he can bomb some serves also
     
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    I agree - Safin has a pretty good serve - but it seems like he really has to arch his back.
     
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    NO ONE comes close to Bruguera in this category...too bad his serve was at best average.

    He basically just tossed the ball up, took almost no backswing or knee bend, kind of just put his racket up and basically snapped his wrist.

    If you're talking about an efficient serve that required very little effort, but that was actually effective, look no further than Michael Stich.

    There is NO comparison to anyone else who also had an effective serve. Among devastating serves, Stich basically expended NO energy whatsoever on it, was like silk, VERY relaxed, almost as if he had no tension in his body whatsoever and his entire body was a single, loose, gummy, pliable, and flexible limb all moving in perfect sync and harmony...of course, give this same motion to a short guy like Chang and it'd suck. Stich's height and shoulder flexibility definitely allowed this service motion to be much more effective than it normally would for most more normally sized players.
     
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  8. Lindros13

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    Fed is so relaxed in his serve.
     
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    Roddick, Federer, Safin, Scud
     
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    Roddick, karlovic(Mr ace), Safin and Coria:mrgreen:
     
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    If you like Ivanisevic's than you must like Lubicic's as well since they are very simialar motions.
    I always liked Mark Woodford's motion. If you are talking about easy motions I would say he and Mecir's were the most casual, easy motions I've seen.
    Federer's is as casual as you can get while still putting effort into the serve.
     
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    How about Gonzalez? Compact, powerful, no wasted movement.
     
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    Coria????
     
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    Richard Krajicek has a very smooth motion. Of course it helps that he's very tall and powerful, like Karlovic.
     
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    If I recall correctly, Ivanisevic didn't have as much ceremony in the beginning as Ljubicic does. Besides, Goran is left-handed and that just adds a dollop of beauty for a reason I haven't been able to figure out. I mean, a left-handed cricketer with a decent style looks rather graceful without even trying to be. Something similar holds for Goran, and also for Mark Woodforde. It is hard for a left-hander to appear ugly (to my biased asthetic sense, even though I am right-handed), but Nadal sometimes manages that with his extreme grips, grunts and curious attire. ;) .

    But yes, Ljub's serve is awesome as well and so is Stich's, as Tym pointed out. No comments about Bruguera though.:mrgreen:
     
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  16. dmastous

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    Lubicic is an acknowleged fan of Ivanisovic. He uses essentially the same set-up and rocks back the same way. He doesn't quick serve like Ivo. His is more classical, but he does hit it earlier than many.
    Maybe Nadal grunts because he's not a natural lefty. He was convinced to play left-handed to get a spin advantage.
     
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    I always thought Hewitt´s serve was pretty fast, while he didn´t seem to put much effort into it. Particularly his first serve.
     
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    was a joke hombre thus the :mrgreen:
     
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    Agreed. I like Gonzalez's serve. No fancy crap, and it gets the job done.
     
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    most efficient currently? nadal for sure, hes often in the 80's first serve percentage, and he actually gets very good placement and its difficult to handle a lefty serve like his

    most powerful? probably still roddick

    biggest/best? karlovic
     
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    I don't think they're referring to most efficient serve statistically speaking, but motion wise.

    Federer's always looks simple and clean.
     
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  22. Federer's by far. His motion is flawless, and he makes it look very simple and easy.
     
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    sampras's serve was sweet
     
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    I agree Federer's motion simple and clean, gearing for accuracy.

    But I don't find his motion particularly smooth or efficent.
    It's kinda no surpise that Federer has been struggling with his serves
    for last year or so.

    There are handsfull of players in 90's who had much, mcuh better
    serves/motions with silky smoothness, extrem efficiency: Krajicek, Stich,
    Sampras, Ivanesvich,....
     
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  25. ACE of Hearts

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    Roger's serving motion is fine,the problem is that he doesnt have accuracy when it comes to aces, like Sampras.Very similiar but Roger has more of a open stance.
     
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  26. Bottle Rocket

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    Roddick's is obviously very efficient... As far as I know, nobody else has consistantly hit serves as hard as Roddick and definitely not for as long as him. He has something figured out that nobody else has gotten yet. Efficiency has nothing to do with placement. That is not to say that Roddick has bad placement, but he doesn't seem to always need it. He get's a ton of points off his serve because nobody it's hard to get a decent return, it works for him.
     
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    1. Sampras
    2. Roddick

    Roddick's serve is not efficient for most people, takes a lot of effort, but him it's easy and comes naturally.

    Federer's serve is above average but nowhere near great. I remember him having a much better serve, he could hit aces whenever he pleased, but it's died down a bit.
     
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    Done.

    Effortless. Graceful. Powerful. Well-placed. Efficient as can be.

    Honorable mention: Borg, Johnny Mac and Nasty.

    Current version: Roger Federer on a good day after a bottle of wine. Maybe.

    Oh, and Evonne Goolagong gets the nod on the women's side. Honorable mention: Mandlikova and Navratilova.
     
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  30. tennisfreak412

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    I think Roddick has a really clean and efficient motion. Very compact, yet very powerful.
     
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  31. snoflewis

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    i think we're forgetting joachim johansson.

    remember, he's been aiming to break the service record.
     
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    Roddick?

    To me, when I look at Roddick, his serve is anything but efficient. Efficiency is getting the most out of the least. He spends great energy on his serve yet he doesn't get nearly as many aces as other big servers or even Federer.

    For the exact reason his serve motion is short and compact is the reason his serve isn't efficient.

    If you see guys like Stich, Krajicek, Sampras etc you'll see great serves that are as powerful as Roddicks(juiced radar guns remember) with way more accuracy. Stich, Sampras etc use long natural motions that are aided by momentum, gravity and biomechanics.

    What's Roddicks age? 23, 24? He's already way slower than he was when he was #1. Testament to his poor form.
     
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    so funny that only a hand ful of ppl have mentioned sampras and goran and those guys, and everyone is drooling after fed, as per usual.
     
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  34. snoflewis

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    yeah, federer's serve is nothing compared to sampras'
     
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  36. ACE of Hearts

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    Sampras is retired.Sampras had accuracy, no doubt.I agreed with Roddick's serve, whats so special about it?I rather have Federer's serve which has perfect disguise.I think Roger can work on that serve but i am sure he thinks its well enough.
     
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  37. Tennis_Goodness

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    Federer has one of the most pretty serves in the history of the game and it is very very good, Sampras probablly had the best serve ever but I actually think Federer's looks a little more pretty!
     
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  38. lucky leprechaun

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    My vote is for ivanisevic. For the amount of energy it looks like he puts into a serve, he seems to get the maximum results. So he's most efficient looking to me.
     
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    No, if you see closely, the set up, and the weight transfer is totally different. And Goran's motion was quicker, as someone said, without that ceremony. He bounced, stayed in a "crouch" position, looked at the opponent, toss, and BOOM!! quick release and thunderous delivery :mrgreen:

    One of the most beautiful serves I've ever seen.
     
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    again trolls. the title of the post was the most efficient, if you dont think feds isnt efficient then youre basically a troll or no nothing about tennis... his motion is classic, smooth and effortless. its how you would teach your kid to serve...
     
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  41. Andres

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    Efficient = Looks, smooth, and results.

    Results are A MUST on being efficient.

    I'm not saying Federer doesn't use this serve as a weapon, which he does, but his serve is a smaller part of his game, than Krajicek or Ivanisevic, and certainly not that dangerous. Ergo, Richard and Goran's serve were more efficient ;)
     
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    Sampras, Federer, Roddick.

    I trade my serve for one of them anytimes. Well, I'll understand if they refuse my ****ty serve!!!
     
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    I've got to go with Max Mirnyi. Very smooth!
     
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    Sampras had the most smooth and fluid serve I've ever seen and I think the best serve of all time. The fact that his serve still holds up after not playing at all for 4 years just shows how natural it was for him.

    Federer should not be getting so much attention for his serve. It's good, but he'll be the first one to say that there are guys out there with better serves.

    And Roddick's serve IS great and there's not a single pro that would disagree with that. If you say his serve isn't that great, then his ground game MUST be great, because he's been at the top of tennis for a while. It's not efficient for most people, requires a lot of energy, but he's a twitchy kind of guy and I think it's natural for him.
     
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  45. lucky leprechaun

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    Roddick's 1st serve is the best. I might get flamed, but it's also the best serve of all time (yes better than sampras's first serve). I definitely do not think its anywhere near pete's efficiency level. Roddick's is one of maximum exertion and maximum results. In other words he swings real hard and that's about it.
     
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    max's serve is one of the most ugliest serves of all time. His service preparation makes me laugh all the time lol. But i cant comment on the efficiency of it because I dont really study it... i can't help laughing at it.
     
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    And how exactly is it better? Probably a few mph faster, but in every other area - spin, accuracy, disguise, ability to hit aces at will - its miles ahead. As for speed, when you take into account the difference in radar guns, its not that much. Sampras/Goran regulary hit 130's.

    btw I'm suprised no one has mentioned Mark 'The Scud' Phillipousis! The man had a damn good serve.
     
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    Are you kidding me? Roddick has to have one of the ugliest serves of all time.
     
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    Noone else thinks Hewitt´s serve is pretty efficient?
     
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