Most efficient service motions

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  1. Lindros13

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    I would have to agree that Roddick's serve is one of the ugliest around. How could you possibly say it is not quirky?
     
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  2. MTChong

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    Haha, you may be right there fastdunn, but I haven't gotten a chance to watch lots of the older players =(... I'm only 17 now, but I do know that Sampras' serve was awesome - have some videos of him.

    Who would you pick for current pros?
     
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  3. Galactus

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    Efficiency-wise: Federer.
    Look at the variation he gets: anything from 115-128mph out-wide/down-the-T aces or heavy kick-serves...all with minimum effort.

    Other than that, I'd say Safin is there for pace and variation with an efficient action.
     
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  4. jackofromalsager

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    i like nadals servase action because he leans forward so much even tho his serve aint that powerful
     
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  5. marcus_alsager

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    roddick looks weird cus he has no backswing :s
     
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  6. vkartikv

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    Most complicated - Edberg. Most effective: Greg Rusedski. Roddick??? He seems like he is about to start a steam engine before he serves!!
     
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  7. Saito

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    Depends on your definition of efficient (as different people find different things efficient...). I find Roddick's serve form to be the most efficient in that list.
     
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  8. BaseLineBash

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    He double faults too much, not enough first serves in.
     
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  9. arosen

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    He doesn't qualify IMHO because he can hardly get it in. He can put some nice pace on the ball.
     
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  10. bdawg

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    I thought Seng Shalken had a simple and efficient serve.
     
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    Lindsay Davenport.
     
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  12. easternforehand

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    Gotta go with Sampras. Just seemed to get so much pace and spin on his serve without looking like he was swinging that hard or "arming" the ball at all. Got every bit of his body into it.
     
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  13. naturalgut

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    Definitely Sampras. I was watching the US Open final '02 and his serving was incredible
     
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  14. prestige18

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    i cant believe no one has mentioned james blake! his motion looks completely effortless. even the look on his face is effortless. as an added bonus he has a huge serve. i agree with federer being efficient as well but he gets a lot of back arc which to me looks like he is putting a lot of energy into it. james does a simple toss bends his knees a little then just explodes with power that comes from what appears to be no where.
    james blake = most efficient and effortless serve
     
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  15. theace21

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    Sampras
    Edberg
    Smooth and effortless...
     
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  16. Hewitt rulez

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    My favorite is Safin.
    He can hit a bomb down the middle and can kick it outwide.
     
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  17. flymeng

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    According to Fred Stolle and Cliff Drysdale, Michael Stich has the most efficient and beautiful service motion. I agree too. Stich is very fluid. His serve has a lot of pace. BTW, Stich has a winning record against Sampras.

    Serve and volley players have a more natural follow through motion. They lean their bodies forward to get the extra pace and move forward to the net.

    Whereas the baseliners who have to step back on or behind the baseline after leaning forward during the service motion. It is abrupt.
     
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  18. slice bh compliment

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    Definitely Stich. Krajicek and Goran served beautifully. You could add Leconte to that list, even though his rhythm was a little funny.

    But Stich, yeah, I always admired his entire arsenal more than any other. Great strokes. What a serve. What a backhand pass. Nice volleyer, too. I would love to play that smoothly. The Force is strong with this one. But his career was pocked with so many tough losses.

    Won Wimbledon somehow over Becker in 1991. Gold medal dubs with Becker in 1992. Won an ATP World Championship/Masters over Pete. Lost to some unseeded guy with a mullet in the 1994 US Open final. Lost to a rock solid Kafelnikov in the 1996 Roland Garros final. Just missed another shot at a Wimbledon final in 1997, going down to a game Pioline in a brilliant semi.

    Imagine Nadal, Connors, Chang or Muster inside the nervous system of Michael Stich? Then add the personality of say, half Guga/half Rafter? Kind of a joyful, triumphant Johnny Mac! Pie in the sky...but what a world-beater that guy would be.

    Anyway, back to the efficient serve discussion, I believe a lot of coaches have studied his mechanics and come up with nothing. Hahahah:p
     
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  19. Galactus

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    Roscoe Tanner's was pretty efficient in it's simplicity: toss the ball and hit it at it's peak before it dropped. Hardly any back-arch or knee-bend,
    This, combined with his racquet-head-speed enabled him to serve between 120-130mph back in the 1970's...
     
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  20. Galactus

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    In comparison, with probably two-thirds as much effort, Marat Safin's serve is heavier and consequently, harder to return. Federer said as much following his Aus Open '05 semi-final defeat.

    Check out the number of aces Roddick gets against Federer - prime example for 2005:
    * Safin got 99 aces in the Austalian Open and 16 of those were in the semi-final vs. Federer
    * Roddick got 104 aces at Wimbledon and only 6 were in the final vs. Federer
    6 aces....on the fastest surface of any tournament....go figure.
    Roddick also serves way more double-faults than Safin.

    Added to that, Sampras stated that Roddick always looks like serving is hard work for him as opposed to the ease and efficiency which other big-servers have...
     
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  21. migjam

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    Actually, Tanner hit it on the rise with a very short toss.
     
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  22. Galactus

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    There you go - even better.
     
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  23. austrian_pro

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    Roger Federer
     
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  24. Andres

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    Maybe he DOES double fault more than Safin, but "WAY MORE" ???
    I don't think so. Ljubicic, Karlovic, Safin and Roddick are the best in the tour in the Aces-Double Faults ratio ;)
     
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  25. rod99

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    Stich had the smoothest motion. no one else is even close.
     
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  26. slack hack

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    Yeah, Stich by a mile. Doesn't he hold the record for career highest first serve percentage?
     
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  27. fastdunn

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    This is very true. In terms of bio-mechanical efficiency, Sampras'
    is ultimate ideal, IMHO.

    He was not as tall as Krajicek or Stich but he uses every muscle
    and joints in maximal potential in perfect harmony: hip-flex, shoulder
    rotation and pronation in extreme.

    So that he can serve all day with least efforts.

    http://rlbartell.home.comcast.net/oz/sampras.jpg
     
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