Discussion in 'Adult League & Tournament Talk' started by GSC-MTC, Jul 23, 2012.
Most frustrating part of playing USTA league tennis is.....
Stacking their top player with their bottom.
People who treat it like a high-powered career rather than a hobby.
Anybody below 5.0 is at best a middling tennis player who has not in any way mastered the sport. It would be nice if more rec players got over themselves already.
Cindy -- who has seen photographic evidence that pretty much everything she does on a tennis court is horrible
Our local rules specifically provide that players do not have to be listed in order of strength, so there is no such thing as stacking here. However, captains tend to put the worst player for each match on the bottom line because that is the line that would be defaulted if the other team defaults.
The most frustrating part that I observe is the vast difference in skill levels among self-rated players (i.e., some players who play two levels are winning by a wide margin at the higher level), which is perpetuated by the fact that only spring leagues count toward ratings. As a result, players can play summer and fall leagues only, win consistently and continue to be self-rated at the lower level year after year.
This. Stacking is also permitted in our area although, I'll admit, it is not standard convention, at least during regular season play. Generally speaking, we tend to play it straight up.
Self-rated players, on the other hand, are a crap-shoot with most of them being horribly wrong (either up or down). Not sure there's a cure except that I continue to propose that self-rates not be allowed to participate in any post-season play.*
* Along those lines, I just got an email about the Tri-Level league starting up in our area and they explicitly prohibit self-rates from post-season competition. Hear, hear! Perhaps someone is listening.
Also, what's truly frustrating (from a captain's perspective) are any potential reschedules. Trying to get a dozen women to titrate down to a full-slate that can play on an "alternate" day...damn near impossible.
Allowing self-rated players to play in state playoffs.
People who refuse to be "team" players and suck it up and play with their assigned partner for that match. The captain should not have to justify their reasons for putting two players together. Although I will try to let somone play with their requested partner, it is not always possible, sometimes for reasons that would hurt someone's feelings if those reasons were told to them. If you don't want to be part of the team, play tournaments or volunteer to captain the team yourself.
People who don't have beers with me after the match.
How is it you can win the 1st set 7-6, be down 3-1 in the 2nd and lose?
Or the teams that never bring beer but are always happy to drink yours.
Amen, amen, amen.
And please, don't nag. If you told me a partner preference, believe me, I remember. If you're not getting that partner, there is a reason other than a memory lapse. Let's not go there, 'kay?
There is no rule against stacking up here either.
We are going to start tri-level soon, too...hmmmm, I wonder if we'll have the same rule. It won't affect our team though, don't think we have any self-rates. Just lots of 'left behinds'...as I like to call them!
the threads on TTW after every match durin the season
Well a lot of things bother me. I have been playing tennis 5 years and USTA 4 and have gone to districts all 4 and this will be my second time at sectionals. At districts 1/2 to 3/4 of the people playing are rated properly and sectionals I don't know if anyone is. I have a benchmark rating so I think I am but have not lost in a couple of years in my regular rated league. This weekend at districts I played against two people that were rated 2 rating slots low for sure. I found myself having to give them no pace and let them over hit. It worked as I won! Not sure it will work all weekend at sectionals I will give it a shot.
Question is are you rated correctly? You haven't lost a regular season match in 2 years?!? 2 players you meet in districts that you think are rated 2 levels too low you end up beating by adjusting your play. You have gone to districts 4 times and this is your second time in sectionals. You sound like exactly the kind of person who should have been bumped awhile ago.
But I am not surprised. I know players that were undefeated in districts and sectionals and didn't lose until Nationals (in 3rd set TB no less!) and they STILL didn't get bumped.
Worst part for me was playing #2 singles, fighting rush hour traffic to get to the courts and the other team forfeits the #2 singles spot- I end up taking a default win & hitting with our captain for a little while- could have played a match closer to home with friends with no hassles. This happened twice in 1 season- I decided then I would rather play a few tournaments rather than play league tennis
1) Drama in mixed doubles leagues
2) 40+ women who after sending their kids to college, joins a country club and takes a few lessons and start creating threads on this forum on a daily basis.
If these are the issues that most frustrate you about league, then I have good news for you! They are both easily solved...
1) Don't play mixed dubs league. Stick to mens/womens as appropriate, and combo. Mixed dubs isn't real tennis anyway
2) Ignore said threads / posts.
Unfortunately, the first I can't avoid. Got to play with my wife in a league. That's part of the deal. I enjoy it too. But the issue is when I end up being the capt (don't ask me how) and have to deal with this covert e-mails about who could or couldn't be on the team b'cos X doesn't get along with Y.
In the men's league when I send a group e-mail and everyone replies-all and end of story. In the Mxd Dbls, I send out a group e-mail, all men not playing with their wives reply-all. Everyone else it's individual replies only to me with a different agenda. Sheesh...
Sitting in my car in the rain in a guest club's parking lot because the captains wouldn't make the obvious weather call four hours earlier. There were so many other things I could have done with those Sunday afternoons.
I feel your pain. My wife doesn't play tennis. Life is good.
As someone not in a club and not knowing anyone, the frustrating part was just getting on a team and no assistance from local league coordinator. Otherwise, after finally getting on team it has been a good experience.
1) Club players who act like they are playing Wimbledon. The matches are too serious and competitive too much of the time.
2) Inconvenient times and faraway locations, such as playing indoors in a July heatwave at 8 p.m. when I could have played a fun match with friends outside that morning.
1.) Bickering captains.
2.) People who constantly complain about everything to do with USTA leagues tennis yet continue to play in every available league.
3.) People who complain that the coordinators (sectional, district & local) are "not doing their job", yet they have no idea what the job entails. (Personally, I think that a huge number of captains think that a coordinator's job is to simply say yes to everything that they ask for. If a coordinator says no, they "don't
care" or are "not doing their job".)
4.) Female players who "play up" and are not competitive at the higher level. You'd think that when they lose every match 6-1, 6-1 that they'd get a clue??
Why qualify that to female players? Same happens on the men's side also, unfortunately...
It's a lot worse on the women's side. Believe me. It's rampant in my area.
Heh, actual results of a 4.0 playing in my 4.5 league for Adult season just ended:
All losses; and two of them (the 'close' ones) were to other 4.0s playing up!
That may be partially due to the fact that women's teams always need players. I noticed that several people on our team seemed to just disappear once they had lost a couple of matches; they no longer came to practices. We had over 20 players and still had trouble getting enough people to play for several of our matches.
That's horrible. I don't get it. Lopsided matches are not fun for either player. There are a few men in my area who play up, but it's mostly women. Most of the men prefer to play at the lowest possible level so they can win.
To be fair, I had results similar to that as a 3.5 in a 3.5 league one year. It was after the great bump up (2010) and I had only been like .500 at 3.0 the previous year but got bumped up, and was just not ready.
We were only referring to people playing up getting results like that. Your results were at your correct computer rated level, so no complaints about that.
It is rampant in women's tennis. Indeed, I have had to talk several people into NOT appealing their rating up. This, despite the fact that every time they play up with a partner who isn't carrying them they get destroyed.
I do not get it. I will never get it. Why not play your level and dominate? If you dominate, you will be bumped up. If you don't dominate, you are probably not at the higher level.
And please, for the love of all that is good and holy, stop saying that the reason you don't dominate is that your partner doesn't do X, Y and Z. If you are a strong player, you will attract a strong partner. And even if your partner is a bit weaker or plays differently, learn to adjust and play winning tennis anyway. If you can only win with one style, you aren't ready for the next level.
About playing up . . .
It's all about timing. There is one 3.5 lady I sometimes partner with. I love her to death, but she has never played up at 4.0. I expect her to be bumped to 4.0 this year.
I think she has really hurt herself by not testing the waters at 4.0. She would probably do OK, but she has never had the opportunity to see what 4.0s do and which of her own strokes don't measure up. I think she will have a very difficult time finding a team at 4.0, as my team will have too many 4.0s. A new 4.0 who has never played 4.0 won't be positioned well to get one of those spots, friendship notwithstanding.
The time to play up is when you are the cusp of a bump up. If you miss that window, it is going to be tough when you do get bumped.
Maui, you are missing the point. If you play up and play competitive matches no one is complaining. We are complaining about people who play up and get blown away in every match. There is a big difference here.
Defaults are frustrating. I was at #2 singles in a playoff match at 9am on a Sunday out of town. Stayed in a hotel, showed up only to get handed a default. I was pretty hot and bothered that I spent ~$100 to not get to play.
It is funny here. I have 4.0 women friends who have been playing just as many 4.5 matches as 4.0 matches for the last 10 years ... they never get bumped and when I ask them they are never worried about it because they rarely actually get to play 4.5s.
When I research this, what I find is that because playing up is so much more pervasive in women's tennis .... women who play up will likely get a match against a good 4.0 playing up rather than a real 4.5. The playing up is so pervasive the 4.5 captains have wink, wink, nod, nod agreed not to stack lineups when they know each team has brought out 2 or 3 4.0's for the match. Similar things happen with 3.5s playing up to 4.0 ... although the captains tend not to be so magnanimous as they often end up stacking courts.
The men's 4.5 teams in the area all have 1 or 2 players playing up ... but the 4.0s only see the court against the weak sisters or when the team would otherwise forfeit a court.
Dizz, the scene at ladies 4.5 has a lot of people playing up because there are simply not enough 4.5s to have a league.
The issue with playing up is much different at 3.5/4.0. There, you find 3.5s who do not dominate at 3.5 (which is why they don't get bumped up) who play 4.0. They get crushed and probably aren't ready. They are doing it for the experience, of course.
But once you get crushed a few times, don't you owe it to yourself and others to go back to the drawing board and re-tool your game to do better? A player who is playing up but losing badly should be able to give a clear answer to the question "What exactly are you doing to get your tennis to the higher level?"
Yes, I saw that after reading Cindy's second post. I deleted my response, but apparently you nabbed it a few seconds after I posted it.
...always having to play league matches on Sundays.
Why not on Saturday???
In my area (NorCal) home teams get to pick the date/time for matches... so it's all over the place... we have some matches on Sat, some on Sun, and some on weeknights, all depending on the home team's court availability.
I agree, this is the worst thing about league. No show defaults are taken very seriously in tournaments (I think in norcal it earns you an immediate 30 day suspension and 8 of 10 points toward a year suspension). But in league, a "no show" default isn't penalized any worse than a default announced well in advance, so there's an incentive to wait until the last minute to default a line!
Self-rating is a bit of a joke. We won the city at 4.0 a few years ago with 2 kids playing singles. They were both between 23-25 years old and right out a Div 3 tennis program. They didn't lose thru regular season and playoffs.
We had 4 players bumped to 4.5 that season - the kids plus 2 others.
Funny thing is the team we beat in the city finals had 7 players bumped to 4.5 and their 1 singles was about 25 years old and had been a junior national champion in Brazil.
I was not the captain and had nothing to do with bringing the kids on to the team but lots of our opposition complained. One of the kids was DQed for the state finals.
Wow, cant help but think this was posted directly at someone.
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