Most gut-like, non-gut string?

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  1. Lilguy1456

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    Want a string that comes closest to gut without having to worry about the moisture drama and dumb price. Anything come close to fitting the bill in the multi arena?
     
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  2. THESEXPISTOL

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    People here swore by LaserFibre SuperNatural Gut ProStock. Never tried thought.
    When i started around here it wasn't available anymore...
     
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  3. SpinToWin

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    X-One Biphase from what I know is the closest string to gut.

    However, the closest string to gut still is a long shot from gut, as gut is better in almost every area.
     
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  4. rectoralex

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    Correct me if I am wrong, but I don't see why people are worried so much about the price of gut. Sure, it's expensive, but it last forever, and keeps its tension very well. If you don't string your own rackets, you save money by not having to pay a stringer 2-3 times to restring with a poly or multi when the gut would still be performing.

    With that said, X-one biphase is very nice. Also, Tourna Irradicated is a very underrated string. Very soft.
     
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  5. Lilguy1456

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    Honestly, I'm worried about quick breakage. I'm not a big string breaker, but I've heard of instances where gut freakishly breaks...and that's just $$ down the drain.
     
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  6. tennisgotomarket

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    Softness? Yes, most premium multis will do. but power, feel, tension maintence, hybridability with poly...no.
     
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  7. Lilguy1456

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    Womp! I know nothing is gonna quite get there...but which is the closest. Anyone try Origin?
     
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  8. rectoralex

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    I understand what you mean. I've only played with it twice, one time using Babolat VS and the other Wilson. Both times gut has lasted well over 35 hours, granted, I don't hit with a ton of spin.
     
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  9. Fed Kennedy

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    There is no durability with Origin, you are better off going with TONIC
     
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  10. Irvin

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    Tecnifibre HDX Tour 1.24 mm (17 gauge)
     
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  11. kimguroo

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    Have you tried natural gut? Even klip or pacific guts which are below $30?
    I am not a string breaker and it lasts longer than multi.
    I only have one problem that natural gut broke in my bag (it was throat area). Anyway it was about to break and used it for longer than 3 months (more than 100 hrs).
    If you have not tried yet, you should try and see it will be good for you or not.
    I have tried several multi strings but not even close to natural gut.
    Nothing can compare with natural gut in my opinion.
     
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  12. Muppet

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    Soft and durable would be Discho Microfiber. But the strings lock in pretty good, due to the gummy texture. So it's not that great for topspin. Real nice for a flat game though. I tried it at 56 lbs. in my signature racquet, but I would go down 3 lbs. next time I get it. It has plenty of control.
     
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  13. mikeler

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    X-One Biphase should be first on your list to try.
     
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  14. John Z.

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    I would suggest NRG2.
     
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  15. mrtrinh

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    what attributes are you looking for in a multi that resembles gut? feel? spin? power? Like many have said why not like at other brand guts such as Pacific? Tough gut really is tough IMO
     
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  16. Irvin

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    mikeler have you tried HDX Tour 17 yet? Different form the 16 gauge.
     
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  17. Irvin

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    Funny how the list is getting a lot of different Tecnifibre strings and other gut strings. That should say something. I have one customer that only wants Tecnifibre TGV 17.
     
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  18. mikeler

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    No, I've been using full poly for almost a year now.
     
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  19. TennisLogic

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    NRG2 18 gauge. Breaks easily though.
    others here have mentioned NXT. it's very soft too
     
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  20. Irvin

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    And the list goes on, if you like NXT maybe you should give Tecnifibre XR3 a spin. I've heard Wilson NXT is also made by Tecnifibre.
     
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  21. yangster007

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    Tecnifibre NRG2 and X-One
     
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  22. newpball

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    Simple, such a string does not exist.

    If you want a string that feels like gut you need gut, despite constant marketing nonsense nothing else comes even close to it.

    :grin:
     
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  23. KaiserW

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    Yeah I think the mid priced guts $25-$30 are a better value than the high priced multis at $18-$19. Now if you can find a mid priced multi $10-$12 that suits your needs that it is a different story. The high end mults just don't seem to make much sense to me.
     
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  24. Lilguy1456

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    Right...I don't hit crazy bombs or anything...but if I break a $15 string job in one session, ain't no thing...breaking a $30-40 job in one session though is more annoying, especially when your stringer is a bit of a hike...

    I also leave poly's in way too long, like an idiot lol
     
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  25. KaiserW

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    It is extremely rare to break that quickly but if you are set on a multi PPC is a nice multi at $10 a pack.
     
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  26. TennisLogic

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    will do. thank you for the suggestion.
     
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  27. yangster007

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    Klip Legend Natural Gut strings are $26/ pack, and they play pretty amazing.
     
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  28. Imago

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    Global Gut 23kg/Vendetta 21kg plays better and holds longer than full-bed Wilson natural gut. As for the cost, set can be less than $10.

    Recently tried a very good emulation of natgut with poly crosses - hi tech natural gut
     
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  29. yangster007

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    I've used Global Gut for about a year, and one thing it's NOT good at is holding tensions. On my BLX 90 Tour the tension only lasts for about 10 hours, then it's all gone and the gut main moves everywhere. And I assure you it's not the problem of poly cross cuz I tried restringing cross, turns out it's not the poly cross that loses tension, it was the Global Gut main.
     
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  30. xFullCourtTenniSx

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    Gut should never freakishly break. It's all about knowing how to take care of your string as well as avoiding wet weather. The big problem is finding string substitutes during wet weather.

    Oh dear god, you just reminded me of my time with NXT and ALU Power Rough. Stuff lasted 3 hours. 1 hour if I put the NXT in the mains. lol
     
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  31. BlueB

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    Closest feel to gut/poly hybrid I tried, was a full bed of a thin 1.25mm weedwacker line, for first 4-5 hours.
    Full gut I don't like/play, so I couldn't tell.
     
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  32. Povl Carstensen

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    I play double bass. You have the same predicament here, gut has unique qualities, but is expensive and has issues with humidity and temperature (loses the tuning). My current string is unique in that it is not gut or metal or nylon, but made with a core of silk. I wonder whether that has been tried in sport (tennis) strings?
     
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  33. V1_Classic

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    Completely agree.

    Nothing plays "like" gut. One of the things that draw people to natural gut is its ability to play consistent from cradle to grave, with some saying it plays best just before it breaks. You absolutely won't find that characteristic in a multi. X-One plays really well for a very short period of time, but even at it's peak I wouldn't compare it to gut, not in terms of feel for sure. Power, yes, but as it ages, that power becomes really difficult to tame. Not so with gut. Mikeler has suggested to some that pre-stretching the Biphase helps to sustain a longer period of controllable play, but you lose that "wow" factor. I can't confirm nor deny that because I've never pre-stretched my Biphase, but it makes sense.

    So basically what you're looking for is a nice multi that plays well (avoiding the comparison to gut) that you'll use in another racquet on days when you're playing with wet balls. I'm guessing you play on clay often?
     
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  34. volusiano

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    String at lower tensions and use string savers -> problem solved.
     
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    To the OP...

    I think modern natural gut is more durable and "moisture resistant" than you've been lead to believe. Sure there are instances where they snap in the bag but I think those instances are a few and far in between. I wouldn't leave a racquet strung with gut inside a car sitting in Southern Florida sun all day long or play on wet clay all the time with it but I think fragility concerns are overstated.
     
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  36. Imago

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    By holding I meant does not break. As for the tension, you have to seriously pre-stretch it otherwise it may lose 6 kg in just two days.
     
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  37. Chico

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    Tecnifibre X-One Biphase
    Babolat Xcel
     
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    I didn't agree with the assessment but wasn't Gamma Professional 18 rated higher than gut in the USRSA survey one year? It's a good string but not that good.
     
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    I will throw in another vote for Tecnifibre X-One Biphase and NRG2. Of the two I think X-One is better in terms of feel, playability and power. But NRG2 lasts longer for me.
     
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  40. yangster007

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    But if you prestretch Global Gut the sweet feel is nonexistent, name brand gut strings retain playability much longer (20-30 hours)
     
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  41. yangster007

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    Yeah I agree, NRG2 playability lasts a lot longer. X-One plays like a different string after 5 hours.
     
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  42. jim e

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    This can happen if you are not a clean hitter, as if you shank a shot with nat. gut it may not break when you shank it, but it is weakened by the stress and can snap later in the bag, and you forgot all about that shot, and call it a freakish break. Poly will typically snap when you shank the ball and you know exactly what happened.I have had nat. gut last a great # of hours, and had others once it a great while snap very early on from a shank. A lot depends on the type of hitter that you are.

    You may want to try a quality gut one time and see just how much time you get out of it for your style of play. Since you commented that you are not a big string breaker, nat. gut can be a string of choice for you.
    Otherwise you are left with using a multi. string as a substitute.
     
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  43. KaiserW

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    This is a good point. Have a friend that is not a string breaker and ng lasts him about 6 months.
     
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  44. Lilguy1456

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    Yeah...been using poly the entire time I've played tennis. Never broke a poly...just not gonna happen. Maybe the TT warriors are a little dramatic with the whole "breaking gut in 5 hits" or "if I sweat on the strings, they're done."

    Just gonna go for it.
     
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  45. Valjean

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    Yup; Babolat's Xcel.
     
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    Well, I don't call the bulk of those breaks "freakish" anyway.

    In my experience, at least 90% occur because someone overtightens a tie-off knot, forgets to wax his grommet holes, etc. Gut requires special handling it doesn't always get, IOW. This is how retail gut stringing is often limited to managers and some stores won't even offer it.

    Of course gut manufacturers won't warranty the string material, and there are gut strings now of such limited strength you shouldn't want them at all, but when natural gut simply breaks in the bag it's rarely the string's fault.
     
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  47. mrc

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    Multi's are fine but they are not lively..more mushy. Try Monogut ZX..it adds comfort but is lively. Very spin friendly as well.
     
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    No one thinks Victory Acelon Wild Fire 17 is closest? This thing stretch like crazy (and very soft & crisp) when stringing; frays easily though. I've used X-one before and it is no were near soft as Wild Fire.
     
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    I agree with this.

    I rarely have unusually early breakage from quality guts. When I do have it,
    it is usually at a place where the ball does not touch. like outside grommet near
    throat area. In these cases, I suspect not so optimal string job (which
    I tend to understand for NG).
     
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  50. hrstrat57

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    In my experience Gamma professional is close....but it cost nearly as much as the Klip Legend so why bother IMHO.

    Close is not as good....

    I once found a Head Radical MP strung with gut that I had forgotten in the closet for several years....hit like the day it was strung up. Pretty amazing stuff, just hit it till it breaks...and on 18x20 it rarely does.
     
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