Most important Grand Slam nowadays.

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  1. Pete Semper

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    In your opinion what is the most imporatant GS to win for a player nowadays ? and why ?

    Roland Garros
    Wimbledon
    Flushing Medow
    Australian Open

    I think the french open is takin over the rest because the game on clay is more interesting to watch for a non tennis fan...The winner is more exposed by the medias.
     
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  2. LttlElvis

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    Wimbledon is probably the most important solely because of tradition. The players seem to enjoy the French the most.

    Being an American, the U.S. Open is the most important to me. The surface is great for any style. Also, there is nothing more exciting than watching prime time night matches.
     
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    I think these days they are ALL important, but Wimbledon has the most prestige and tradition. I would say the French and the US Open are 2nd and I would say that the AO is the Slam that the players and fans love the best: the players for the facilities and amenities (which many players say are better than at the other 3 Slams) and for the fans because it's much less expensive to go to than the other 3 Slams. (the AO has night matches as well).
     
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  4. Gillian

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    I think this is pretty obvious, guys! Personal preferences aside, I would think most pros, commentators, and historians of the game view them in the following order of importance and prestige:

    1. Wimbledon
    2. US Open
    3. French Open
    4. Australian Open
     
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  5. andreh

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    I agree with this one. It has been the concensus for long time, still is.
     
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  6. tintin

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    Wimbledon
    Roland Garros

    than the others
    if you win Wimbledon and Roland Garros,they will say you won the 2 most prestigious and oldest slams on the planet.
     
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  7. beernutz

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    No, "they" won't.

    Like others have said:

    Wimbledon
    U.S. Open
    French
    Australian
     
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    uh...its Roland Garros. tennis began in France, and nowhere else do you have the terre bateau that so many greats have lived and died on.
     
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  9. tintin

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    well I don't give a rat's arse what "others" have said but;)
    Wimbledon
    Roland Garros
    USO and the Aussie rank in that order
     
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  10. noeledmonds

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    The US Open is 10 years older than the French Open. Even the Australian Open allowed foreign competitors before the French Open. In terms of history and prestige the US Open is defenitly above the French Open. Your opinion is of very little value in determining their prestige and can in no way affect their age.
     
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    I think in order the most important are

    US Open
    W
    Aussie Open
    French Open

    I now put the USOpen above W because it's really the only majour which doesnt necessarily favour the baseliner and supports a variety of play.
    I put the French last because too many one trick ponies and anomolies win this event and it's turned into nothing but a fitness grind (kinda like cycling) as opposed to showcasing a variety of tennis skills
     
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    My being 'privy' to actually be around the players a great deal, their order is:
    1) Wimby
    2) French
    3) US Open
    4) Aussie Open

    Those stats are not even close in the % - to win Wimby is by far, and no matter what nationality a player is, the #1 'Gem'.

    The others (going for #2 & #3) are pretty close...and the Aussie Open only ranks last due to when it is played...no one wants to start the year that far away AND...doing so with a GS Event. When asked what event they like the BEST for non-playing activities...the list 'flip-flops' greatly.

    #1) US Open
    #2) Aussie Open
    #3) French Open
    #4) Wimby

    Go figure...
     
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  13. tintin

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    well I'm glad you think that way but in a lot of people's eyes RG >>USO
    and your opinion isn't important either;)
    have a nice day Noe:D
     
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    I would actually put the US Open top of the list, as for me it has been the most competitive grand slam in the open era, and has the most impressive winners' list:
    - Every genuinely great player in the open era has won the tournament apart from Borg, who reached the final 4 times.
    - Since the introduction of the computer ranking system in 1973, every US Open champion has reached world no. 1 apart from Guillermo Vilas (denied by a flawed ranking system in 1977) and Manuel Orantes, who both reached world no. 2.
    - In the open era, every US Open champion has won a different grand slam apart from Orantes, Rafter, Roddick, who have all reached the finals of different grand slams.

    You don't get weak or bogus champions at the US Open.
     
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    ^ along those lines, the US Open is the only slam in the open era not to be affected by boycotts/bannings/etc(at least to a lesser degree)
    Overall it has attracted better players than the other slams.

    here were some notable problems the other slams encountered:

    -wimbledon affected by boycotts in '72/73, not to mention many highly ranked claycourters that skipped it in the 90s

    -the australian open was affected negatively by being played in december in the late 70s/early 80s, hardly any top players played it in that time

    -the french was missing the best players '70-72 due to political disputes between the ITF & WCT. some top players were banned for playing WTT later in the decade(Connors in '74, Borg in '77)

    The US Open was attracting so many great players that they expanded to a 148 player draw in 1972.
     
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  16. noeledmonds

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    I have not even expressed my opinion. I merely stated that the USO is older than the FO and has more history and prestiage assosiated with it. This is not a subjective statement it is fact. Your argument for the FO being greater was incorrect on both these accounts.
     
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    Wimbledon favors the baseliner???
     
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    I have to agree with tintin
    Is obvious that most americans would say the USO before FO, but that's not even a third of the total tennis players.

    I have to say, for what I've been hearing from pros, and broadcasting commentators, that FO is slightly more important than USO.

    For me? I don't care. Nothing tops Wimbledon!!! :D
     
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    sure does......
     
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    You guys are nutty!! It has nothing to do with one's nationality. It's very obviously as follows...

    1. Wimbledon
    2. USO
    3. French
    4. AO

    Now, you all may have preferences for one or another, but personal opinions don't count here! I mean, if I were to say I think Monte Carlo is more important than any of them, does that mean I'm right just 'cause its my "opinion"?
     
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  21. teedub

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    When we're talking prestige this is the order:
    Wimbledon
    US Open
    Roland Garros
    Australian Open
    If we equate important with prestige, there are no other two ways about it, Wimbledon and US Open have been more important for a much longer time than the other two. Although the French is somewhat catching up, it still doesn't compare to the US Open in terms of prestige and will never touch Wimbledon. How important each of the slams are relative to the players is however different....

    Wimbledon is the most important. Wimbledon is probably the most famous tournament in the world, winning it puts you on the map. Followed by the US Open.
     
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  22. Andres

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    I'm not giving a PERSONAL opinion. In fact, FO is my LEAST favourite slam. I'l talking about what i've heard from European players, and broadcasters (OUTSIDE the States, of course)
     
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    AO doesnt get hyped hear enough for me to care all that much.
    Right now clay is rolling and the build up around here to people in the know is huge! But im in america so the us open is big stuff.
    But the aura of wimbledon, the grass, the stadiums, the english pride to the place, the all white dress code. its like nothing else in the world. and i think its the most special sporting event in the world
     
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    I'd like to expand on my earlier comments as a student of the game, taking the media hype out of it, the tradition, etc

    1 - USOpen - a hard court grueling two weeks often in very unbearable heat and humidity at the end of a brutal hardcourt season where you have to adjust to facing all types of play from baseliners, to all courters, to serve volleyers. Most everyone plays

    2 -W - Used to be my number 1 until they changed the courts from low bounding skidding slick to higher bounding true bouncing. Weather is not demanding and surface is much easier on your body. In the old days (anyone who has played much on grass will tell you) grass is really hard on your lower back, gluts, it bands, etc from all the constant bending and stretching and lunging...now the ball sits up perfectly thank you very much so that western gripping baseliners can comfortably work that steep angled abrupt swing

    3 - Aussie Open - again, brutal playing conditions and difficult since it is the first majour of the year and so far away for many. I think it has a lot more momentum than several years ago when some players didnt even bother making the journey. I kinda equate this to the British Open in golf

    4 - Dead last. often won by anomoly players and one trick ponies. Played on a very comfortable surface in benign weather. Show up for a match and know what you'll be presented with.....baseline ralleys...hardly any serve volley so no pressure on the service return either, etc and etc
     
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  25. Andres

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    Weather is not demanding in Wimbledon? Rains once every two days!!!
     
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  26. thetruthshallsetyoufree

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    no it doesnt. grass is a fast surface. this favors the big serve and the player that can close in on the net first. like ummm, sampras perhaps. or navratilova, or federer? or ivanisevic? or edberg? or becker? ehhh? yeah??? ;)
     
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    tell that to Nadal won has won it twice and made Wimbledon's final straight after
    I suppose one can argue about Roddick winning the USO was one hell of a trick pony since he hasn't won **** since and it's been years since he won it;) ;)
     
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    sorry..i didnt perfectly explain. i was speaking in terms of physically demanding and not the occassional inconveniences of having matches delayed or cancelled at W due to rain..that kind of stuff happens at the us open too, altho perhaps not as much

    right..proves my earlier point that the courts at W now support the play of one dimensional extreme western grippers. a few years earlier the spaniards were threatening to boycott the event because they were terrible on it when the courts played traditionally, and as a result they were seeded lower based upon their lack of ability to play on grass...
     
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    The only way the list can flip-flop to have the US Open at the top is if you only poll the American players. In reality, it is the least popular of the 4 events to play in due to the noise, the smell, the crowds, the traffic, the officiating and overall the stress.

    The perennial list of most enjoyed event and the word most commonly associated with each event, by the players, is:
    1. Aus Open (relaxed)
    2. Roland Garros (stylish)
    3. Wimbledon (tradition)
    4. US Open (noise)

    As to which is most prestigious, that isn't even close. Wimbledon is THE tournament to win, no-matter what nationality you are. Next cab off the rank would be Roland Garros, then the US Open and then the Aus Open.
     
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  30. Serve 'em hard

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    I'll leave you boys to argue about which GS the players enjoy the most or has the best food or whatever, but anyone who thinks Roland Garros is more important or prestigious than the US Open lacks understanding and insight into the game and its history. As others have stated, it's obviously Wimbledon, USO, FO, AO in that order.
     
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  31. Serve 'em hard

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    So which is it, a fitness grind requiring great stamina like cycling, or a pleasant outing in nice weather on a comfy surface?

    I also object to your biased analysis of the GS's and letting that affect your thinking about their prestige. Just because you don't like the way they cut the grass now at Wimbledon doesn't affect its importance, and just because you don't care for baseline rallies by "one trick ponies" at the FO doesn't mean it falls behind the AO in importance. The relative prestige and importance of these tournaments is fixed by history and is not influenced by your particular pet peeves about surface conditions.
     
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    well its all of that..they dont have to be mutually exclusive dont'cha know. also history changes .... tennis changes.....everything changes

    also i prefaced my opinion that i was taking stuff like tradition and media out of the equation and was strictly speaking in terms of the actual tennis being played, so i dont know where you are getting the prestige stuff from..if i was rating it strictly on 'prestige' my order would be different.
    i think the way they happen to cut the grass does effect it's importance as less variety and adjustments are now required to play on the surface, and it has become less athletic and more machinelike <as has tennis in general IMO>. from a playing perspective i also think that the AO has more well rounded players winning it as opposed to the French Open which quite usually is about the winner of the war of attrition so i ratre that higher...whoever can keep getting it back ad infinitum until someone gets bored and misses wins at the FO

    the very subject of this thread leaves itself to subjective opinions..you have yours and i have mine..they dont match..no big deal
     
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    Even though the AO is the least prestigious, it's surface is the most neutral. It comes at the beginning of the year so a great result can make a player's season in the first month of the year.

    So prestige aside, I would say the AO is the most important slam.
     
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    I think it can be argued that the USO would be 'most important' for winning considering it's the last slam played, if there's some sort of tie in the rankings at that point in the year, the USO would be the tie breaker. Also, also have to consider the majority of the master series titles are played on surfaces most similar to the USO than any other slam.
     
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  35. Serve 'em hard

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    None of this jazz matters, fellas. If we're talking about prestige and importance of the Grand Slams, there is no argument: Wimbledon > USO > FO > AO. End of story.

    All this other stuff -- grass conditions, weather conditions, type of playing style a Slam might favor, current fashions, time of year it's played, etc, are just distractions and irrelevant to the issue at hand. (FYI, NBMJ: my gf would go nuts if she heard you describe the FO as boring and one dimensional and lacking variety -- she think it's the exact opposite in every regard! Plus, don't other people think clay fosters the most variety as well? THESE are the type of questions that are subjective, not the respective prestige and importance of the slams themselves.)
     
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    your gf likes the french open? well thats cool beans..tennis needs the viewership..for me, it is the only time i can actually doze off whilst watching a tennis match....nadal and daveydenko played 3 sets in Rome that seemed never ending......now we have the french on that red stuff and its best of five.....zzzzzzzzzzzzzzz :)

    in any case, i tend to think it is better tennis and more 'important' if players can hit ALL of the shots rather than just some of them.
     
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  37. Serve 'em hard

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    Yeah, she loves that stuff. (And Nadal. And can't stop talking about that stupid Davydenko match which she saw but I missed.) She would argue that the French Open, and clay in general, requires the most variety of skills. More importantly, I've heard that from other, more knowledeable people as well -- clay requires more than just power, and rewards spins, drops, different pace, and variety in general, and is thus more interesting and challenging. It's about more than just smacking a 140 mph serve. I guess you disagree?
     
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    sure..i disagree..i think there's stuff in between endless baseline grinding and having nothing but a serve.
     
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    Well the question was about the importance of these events and I don't think that is solely about prestige. With the ATP demoting events like MC and creating them in Shanghai I think prestige is a little outdated to tell you the truth.
     
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    Nah, outdated, smout-dated. Who gives a damn about the ATP or other matters of temporal concern to mortal beings? Wimbledon is timeless...
     
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    You really think clay court tennis is all about baseline grinding?

    Anyone disagree?
     
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    Ha, I must said Wimbledon before!!! I suck!
     
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    I agree with the consensus that seems to be forming here. Wimbledon is the clear number one, both historically and at the present. After that the US Open and Roland Garros are truly neck and neck--historically there's little question that the US maintained a higher level of prestige, though the French really started to ascend in the 1970s and '80s, and there is evidence from 1989 that it had surpassed the US as the second most desirable title. All in all I would say there has been a very gradual movement toward parity among the majors in terms of prestige, though we are by no means there yet.
     
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    1. Wimby
    2. French Open
    3. US Open
    4. Aussi Open
     
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    I do wish they had not slowed it down. Maybe we see some good S & V tennis if it was faster.
     
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    They're all worth the exact same amount of points.
     
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    I don't think Wimbledon is worth that much anymore personally, certainly not at least like it was in the 90s. To me the tournament lost prestige once it started going slow, this made the tournament feel less "traditional" and "elitist" to me. In so doing, the tournament lost its snob appeal as now even those who didn't play traditional strokes and tactics felt like they had a modicum of a chance.

    I'd say that the French, US, and Wimbledon are all about the same these days and the individual importance will vary from player to player. I truly think you'll find players in the camp of each of these tournaments, saying it's the best.

    The Australian on the other hand is still and always will be fourth. The difference is that whereas before people considered it the last place slam, now they tend to think of it as the second place slam, meaning not quite the same as the French/Wimbledon/US but still a slam in its OWN right nonetheless. That's a marked difference and a huge improvement in my opinion. The Aussie may never be as desirable as the other slams, but I'd say these days it holds just as much importance, if you can understand what I mean.
     
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  49. CyBorg

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    I am beginning to doubt this is true anymore. Roger Federer was about 9 years old when Boris Becker beat Ivan Lendl at the Aussie in 1991 and we all remember Becker's elation. I've read that he screamed at the top of his lungs in the parking lot. The emotion was real. This was a big deal. This is what today's guys grew up watching.

    The Aussie is right there with the others. Maybe there is some snob appeal concerning the other majors, but for several years now the prevailing sentiment is that a major is a major and that's that.
     
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    1.) French Open
    2.) Wimbledon
    3.) US Open
    4.) Australian Open
     
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