Most promising young gun?

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  1. Defcon

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    Who is the best among this bunch?

    Tsonga - the curse of the AO finalist
    Berdych - talented, but major headcase
    Gasquet - see above, + apparently as frail as a wilted flower
    Murray - Mr. Nice Attitude
    Mofees -the lumbering giant
    Ancic - getting old already?
    Gulbis - his star is shining bright


    Murray is the most overhyped player. At least Gasquet and Mofees have slam SF's, Berdych has a QF. Murray has done precisely squat in the big occasions, besides bad mouthing everyone he can think of, firing Gilbert, and displacing poor Tim.

    I would say Gulbis is at least as talented as the rest and already shows some maturity and ability to rise to the occasion. Berdych has no variety, Murray and Gasquet have multiple issues (like not having a brain), Tsonga is too big ad too heavy, and I fear baby Goran's best days are gone. Mofees' game is too passive. Gulbis has been very impressive and would be my pick.
     
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  2. vive le beau jeu !

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    so monfils is back into the group now ? ;)

    on the other hand, you forgot marcos.
     
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    They are all about the same age or older than Djokovic (born 1987) and Nadal (born 1986). Except Gulbis (born 1988 ) who is a year younger than Djokovic.

    So how are these guys "promising young guns"?

    From this bunch Gulbis obviously.
     
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    Oh yeah Baghdatis - another case of the AO finalist curse? Has he done anything lately? I do like his game, I think fitness is going to be a problem for him.
     
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  5. Defcon

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    Djokovic and Nadal have both reached the top of the game and fulfilled any promise they might have had.

    These other guys, not so much. They've been talked about for a while now with not much to show for it.
     
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  6. vive le beau jeu !

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    marcos lately ?... he's been enjoying his clay hibernation ! :rolleyes:
    (he's already playing on grass this week at surbiton, in fact)

    i don't think he's so un-fit... maybe he doesnt work on it enough, but his record for five setters is not so bad, so... natural aptitudes and/or fighting spirit ?
    anyway, fit or not, as hewitt said, he's a tough guy to finish off... ;)

    and if you care about his accomplishements in slams, with 1 F, 1 SF, 1 QF... so far, if i'm not mistaken, it's still better than any of all the other players you mentionned. :)


    gulbis looks very promising, by the way... i'm just waiting to see him play some five setters (i still don't understand how he lost -in 5 sets- to the #724 guy in davis cup in macedonia !)
     
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  7. zagor

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    Gulbis seems most promising to me from that group.Would also like to see Ancic do well as he's one of my favourite players on tour.
     
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    I'd like to see Ancic do well too, he's one of the few SV players left, and he plays with some flair.
     
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    My pick would be Murray. I don't think that Murray is too overhyped. Maybe overhyped a bit but let's not forget his two consecutive wins over Federer. In his last win over Federer he did not give Federer a single breakpoint even though his 1st serve % was in 50's. And Murray has won a tournament at age 18 weheras Gublis has not won a tournament yet. Also Murray has been unlucky with draws. He ran into onfire Tsonga at AO this year. Also last year if not for Nadal then he would have made it into Quarterfinal of AO. And also let's not forget his straight set win over Roddick in Wimbedon whereas Gasquet needed an epic 5 setter to barely beat Roddick. Therefore I have more than enough reasons to clearly show Murray being the most promising of the bunch.
     
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    monfils now
     
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    seems like monfils has been around for ages, and has been forgotten about and bagged out for a while aswell, i keep forgetting the guy is only 21, he still has plently of time left to turn his career around lets hope making the French semis is a turning point!!!
     
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    Gulbis is the hot hand as it be, Berdych and Tsonga are just as talented though...
     
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    Seeing him play vs. Djokovic, Gulbis seems to be getting rather good at the mental aspect of the game.
     
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  14. jmsx521

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    Let's see at the US Open when Jan Silva gets a WC... this year!
     
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    We'll definitely be seeing a lot more of Gulbis, I hope I can say the same for Gasquet as well. :)
     
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  16. Defcon

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    Gulbis has a very Djoker like game, it translates well to all surfaces. Murray may very well be more talented but has an ugly game and uglier attitude, he doesn't seem to enjoy tennis at all.
     
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    Jan Silva will never make it, too small. And there is no one coming up. No talent on the horizon at all. Be thankful for Djoko, Fed and Nadal. Very thankful.

    As I have said many times. Every generation has one to three players worth watching. Players ARE not better now, or in the past. It is all a cycle of life.
     
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    Djoko and Nadal
     
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    Tsonga, at his best, is pretty amazing. He blew Nadal off the court @ the AO.
     
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    Most promising? Besides the obvious Nadal, I'd say Juan Martin Del Potro and Sam Querrey. Sam's been developing and improving a very respectable ground game to go along with that monster serve of his. Del Potro just has an excellent all-around game, and you get the feeling that he's going to develop a lot more consistency in the next couple of years. Some points it's all there, and some it's not.
     
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    who the hell is Mofees?
     
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    Monfils... but "Mofees" is the Hooked-on-Phonics way of spelling!
     
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    Marcos and Peter Lundgren!

    Marcos took a break after Indian Wells to lose weight and work on his fitness. 20 pounds lighter 3 months no tennis just diet and hard work with one of the best trainers in France. He looks better than I have ever seen him now he needs to hit some balls. Fitness wont be an issue. He just has to play now with the new physique. Hired Peter Lundgren as his coach. He will be fine and able to be included in this group.
     
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    Gulbis, Monfils, Wawrinka, Ancic, Cilic, &Almagro, just to name a few. :)
     
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    My vote goes to Gulbis.
     
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  26. Kim

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    Gulbis too
     
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    nice information, thx. :) (how did you get it ?)
    i hope the work starts paying this week at surbiton !
     
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    of the bunch i'd say Gulbis is the most promising only maturity is lacking in his game...
     
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  29. malakas

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    -I suppose because Jan Silva trains in Mouratoglou academy same as Marcos?;) -

    Lundgren is with Marcos in Surbiton this week!Let's hope he gets the much needed playing time on grass starting from this week and has good results in Wimby!:)
    I think they will get along excellent with his new coach.
     
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    If we have to choose Gulbis is the obvious choice - calm on court and has all the weapons required. Monfils may feed of his run, but I feel he has to stay put and listen to his coach.

    As for Baghdatis, good to hear he has a proper coach and is wokring hard on the aspects of his game which were lacking.
     
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  31. malakas

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    ok,everyone has some weak and some strong points.

    Ancic:Not so young anymore.Was a very bright prospect but with all the stupid accidents he got himself into(waterski etc) and the serious illness,he doesn't take good care of his body and I am not very optimistic.:(
    Tsonga: Great player-Too many injuries.He's undergoing a knee surgery again this month.
    Monfils: The way he plays,his training,and his injuries,I don't see his carreer lasting long.
    Gasquet:perhaps the most talented of them all.No fighting spirit though,and terrible under pressure.If he finds himself some heart, will do amazing.
    Murray: Too much overhyped for his abilities.Great in MickeyMouse tourneys with cake walk draws,but the case is different when it matters in Slams and Masters.
    Berdych: Great player-weak mind.Always will be a threat,a top 10 player,maybe win a couple of Masters more but that's all.
    Del Potro: Too many health problems
    Gulbis: Seems like a great prospect but so far very incosistent.Have to see more of him to judge.
    Baghdatis: If he finds some more commitment he will do excellent.Best results so far from all the above,great fighting spirit,he just needs to get more concetrated in tennis..
    Wawrinka: If he stays away from injuries-for sure a top 20.

    other great young guns:Korolev,Andreev,Querry,Nishikori
     
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  32. vive le beau jeu !

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    that's why i asked the question... so do you think is this poster a TTW spy in the moratoglou academy ? ;)

    i hope so !
    he is in the 2nd round... i guess he'll play it today.
     
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  33. Murray_Maniac

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    Djokovic: Next # 1

    Nadal: Will be trying hard to get #1, but will not succeed. Will win a few more RG and perhaps a wimb. or 2 if his health doesn't decline rapidly by the next years.

    Murray: Great talent. Could succeed if he plays more solidly throughout the year and in grand slams.

    Gulbis: IMO, will be a copy of James Blake
    Most hard hit strokes, but very inconsistant and wont allow him to win the big ones.

    Tsonga, Del Potro: too many injuries

    Gasquet: Agree w/ malakas

    Wawrinka: Isn't as good as the best.

    Monfils: Isn't as fast as he used to be
     
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  34. daddy

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    Come on this is not even close. Blake dreams of the kind of backhand and serve Gulbis has. And he's only 19. 209kph average first serve vs Djokovic ( that is something only Karlovic and Ljubucic can do - 130mph average ? ) ???
     
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    I suspect he's actually someone close to Jan!:) Great news for us,since we can learn more about Marcos from the inside!!;)
    Please dear jansilvatennis!!!!:D
     
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    I love the games of Cilic and Del Potro
     
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    This is awesome news. Cant wait to see how he plays when he comes back fit. The addition of Lundgren is great too.
     
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  38. shwetty[tennis]balls

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    I love watching Gulbis. He's fairly composed and shows more maturity that these other players don't. I'd put him into the top 20 in 1-2 years.
     
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  39. vive le beau jeu !

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    i just saw marcos withdrew from his 2nd round match in surbiton... i hope there's nothing serious. :-?
     
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    Gulbis. :)
     
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    Its Monfils. Monfils. Why are you selecting to pick on him?
     
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    he hurt his ankle probably during practise yesterday.Possibly going to retire from Halle,but still ok for Wimby..:-?
     
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    Gulbis is the only player anyone has mentioned that I think has the talent AND mental fortitude to win a slam or even be a top-5 player.
    You can mark Gulbis down though, I'm sure of that ( ya, I know how much of a crapshoot it can be when figuring young players' prospects).
    The reason for inconsistent results is obvious: He's 19 and even for his age he's incredibly raw. That's the only reason he's playing challengers, to have a great place to polish off his game. Look at all the major events he has played since the US Open. His results have been consistently good in those. ATM,He wins based almost solely off natural feel of the game and superior stroke production. Once he understands the facets of the game and how best to use his weapons, he is going to be awesome. The mental toughness I've seen from him suggests to me that he won't be a flake like so many other talented players.

    /That Eysseric kid looks like a great talent, but I'd have to see him play more.
    //Does Tym! have an opinion on the matter?( If he does, I'd like to read it.)
     
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    It would have to be Gulbis, he reminds me of Djoker last year without the attitude. Let's hope he has confidence in himself and makes it to the quarter &semi of most of the majors. :)
     
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