Most singles titles won at highest level - Majors/Masters Series/WTF in Open Era.

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  1. Dean

    Dean Rookie

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    I thought it might be interesting to compare the great players on a more level field by comparing their performances at the highest level and richest tour tournaments. (Open era only).

    These are the 4 Majors(since 1968), 9 Masters 1000 Series/Championship Series(since 1970), and the World Tour Finals(since 1970).

    Player/ Titles Won

    Federer 41 (possible 42 after tomorrows Madrid Final)
    Lendl 35
    Sampras 30
    Nadal 30
    McEnroe 29
    Borg 28
    Connors 27
    Agassi 26
    Becker 22
    Djokovic 17
    Edberg 15
    Willander 15
    Laver 14
    Nastase 12
    Vilas 10
     
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  2. kiki

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    Not at all.In 1970 and 1980, there were about 15 non slam big events, not to mention the WCT FInals which no longer existed after 1989.No possible comparison.

    However, in order to even things, I´d pick the Dallas finals as part of a super evnts that included:

    WCT Finals
    Philadelphia
    Montecarlo
    Rome
    Johannesburg ( till 1975) and Las Vegas ( from 1985)
    Palm Springs/La Quinta
    Hamburg
    Toronto
    Tokyo Super seiko


    and , of course, Dallas

    Now you have the 4 GS, the Masters ( currently called WTF) and your Super 9
     
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  3. timnz

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    How to do Season end finals

    I believe in principle this is a very good idea to give a list of these top titles. The problem comes in how to rate the WCT finals and Grand Slam Cup. They are rated above Masters 1000 but below Grand Slams. They are not included in your list. And if you add them in then players from the 70's/80's/90's are advantaged over current players because they have 2 season end finals whereas current players only have one. The solution - take the larger total for each player of EITHER (WCT finals combined with Grand Slam Cups) OR Master Cups finals. That way each player only gets credited wth one set of season end finals - which evens the playing field between older players and current ones.

    Hence, Connors does better because he has 2 WCT finals vs only 1 Masters - so credit connors with 2 season end finals. So goes McEnroe having 5 WCT FInals vs 3 Masters - so credit McEnroe with 5 season end finals in this chart. That moves him to 31. Becker however stays the same because his combined WCT/Grand Slam Cup is 2 which is less than his Masters Cups which you reported at 3.

    Note: There is a current controversy of the time period from 1972 to 1975 inclusive - to credit the Toronto/Montreal event or the London event as a Masters 1000 equivalent win. Some say one some say the other. From 1972 to 1975 that London event wasn't Wembley but the Dewar Cup held at the Royal Albert Hall. It was a different event - Wembley not been played those years. Your totals look like they assume London is included in the totals from those years (you have Connors on 18 Championship Series events rather than 17). However, if you go with the Canadian events (which one poster on these bulletin boards thought had deeper fields) - Connors is one down, but other players increase like Nastase (because he won in Canada).
     
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  4. Xavier G

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    I'd love to know how many equivalent tournaments Laver and Rosewall won in the pre-Open days, plus the ones they did win in the Open era.

    Philadelphia, Memphis, Brussels, Milan, Palm Springs, Las Vegas, Washington, North Conway, San Francisco, Sydney Indoors, Tokyo Super Seiko, Wembley, along with the WCT Finals in Dallas. Some of the great tourneys of yesteryear. Most of them in any given year plus the 4 Major Slam events and the Grand Prix Masters.
     
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  5. kiki

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    Boston,Indianapolis,San Frisco,Sidney Indoors,Wembley,Stockholm,Barcelona,Buenos Aires ( for some years), Hamburg were major stops .WCT had also a very strong link of events like Philadelphia,Houston,Richmond,Birmingham,Frankfurt,Milan,Rotterdam and Montecarlo.
     
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  6. Dean

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    Updated after Cincinnati Final

    Grand Slams/WTF/Masters wins

    Player/ Titles Won

    Federer 44
    Lendl 35
    Nadal 32
    Sampras 30
    McEnroe 29
    Borg 28
    Connors 27
    Agassi 26
    Becker 22
    Djokovic 18
    Edberg 15
    Willander 15
    Laver 14
    Nastase 12
    Vilas 10
     
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  7. Nathaniel_Near

    Nathaniel_Near G.O.A.T.

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    Relax folks, ...
    I appreciate your effort, but did you even consider Timnz's suggestions?
     
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  8. Dean

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    Yes i did.

    I was aware of the number of permutations and combinations but chose this simplified approach. It's only a guide to what players did in big/rich events.

    If want to add/deduct GS Cup and WCT finals or even the Olympics it's up to you.
     
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