Most talented player of all time

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  1. egn

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    100 percent on that. It was not a huge demand for fitness, as the game in the past was quicker, not about lasting really long and was far more technical. Hand-eye coordination was probably much more important than being a brute.
     
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    What about vice versa? now to 40s
     
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    I vote either Pancho Gonzalez or John McEnroe since both had the talent to beat anybody in the world till about 40 years of age and both were able to keep playing at world class levels till about 50 years old. Mac is still going. Both also dominated the world for atleast 5 years.
     
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    The Chilean Marcelo Rios

    The guy was just oooozing with physical talent. it was the mental side he lacked in. If this guy had chang's head he would have won several grand slams. He could do anything with the ball.
     
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    Either one of these choices are wonderful. Both of them made tennis seems so easy.
     
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    Give Nadal or Federer a wooden racquet instead of their graphite racquets with polyester strings and have them play Gonzalez--who do you think would win? Automatically assuming current players are better and saying 'put players from the past in current draws and they'd get killed' is very naive. I say current players would have trouble going back and beating Bill Tilden wearing long pants, long sleeves and a weilding 16 oz. wood racquet that didn't even have a grip on it, just bare wood. The topic was who was the most 'talented' player. Gonzalez had the perfect make up. He was tall but moved around the court effortlessly (in canvas shoes no less), had the perfect blend of power and finesse, and had a competitive instinct second to none.
     
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    Actually, that was Budge with the 16.5 oz racquet and a no-leather-grip, bare wood handle.
     
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    I hate to break it to you, but Budge was not the only one who used heavy racquets with no grips in those days--it was more the norm rather than the exception. Even the women of that era did so.
     
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    As I asked in a post above--could the players of today go back and compete with the players of the past using the equipment of the past? Could Nadal or Federer beat Tilden if they had to play with Tilden's heavy wood racquets rather than their present day graphites with poly strings wearing long pants and long sleeve button down shirts? Of course Tilden would have trouble competing in today's game with his equipment but today's players would also have trouble if they went back in time and had to play with equipment of that era. Again, the topic of this thread is who is the most 'talented' player of all time. Saying a player from the 40's could not compete in today's game does absolutely nothing to answer that question.

    Again, I say Gonzalez, for the reasons I listed in a previous post.
     
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    So you can make opinions...but they can't. Nobody is saying for face player a would beat player b. It has always been speculation and an opinion. This whole forum is opinion based.
     
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    I disagree. Talent = natural skill. That said, Talent + hard work/fortitude = success = greatness.
     
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    I agree with most of that. Well not sure on Davydenko. I think he does choke. Yes he isnt as strong as the very best but remember the 2007 French Open semis vs Federer for example? The 5th set of the 2005 French Open semis vs Puerta? Some other matches in his career although I cant remember them all now.
     
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    2005 yes I don't think he choked 2007, I think he just got outplayed. 2005 yes, but everyone chokes occasionally, but all and all Davydenko does not choke that often. 2006 he was playing his best tennis ever and did not choke at all in his AO QF he lost though to Fed completely off form. Not because he choked but Fed just was that far ahead of him. 2005 I am not sure if it was choking or exhaustion but I admit yes that match was disappointing. However guys like Blake, Fish, Phillioposus and anyone on that German Davis Cup team with Becker had no mental weakness. They did not succeed out of the Davis Cup though..lack of talent. It is not just mental game..talent plays a huge part.
     
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    Laver
    Hoad
    Gonzales
    Federer
    Sampras
    Tilden
    Mc Enroe
    Rosewall
    Connors
    Nastase

    Cochet,Budge,Kramer,Borg,Edberg and Agassi would also deserve honourific mentions
     
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    You sure are a talented bumper. Anyway, now that it is bumped I shall go with McEnroe.
     
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    Federer, I think.
     
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    Good list! I can't think of anyone more talented than Laver. But, I would put Nastase and Borg near the top of that list.
     
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    Tops by category (second place):
    McEnroe's hands (Bahrami)
    Edberg's footwork (Nadal)
    Federer's anticipation (Agassi)
    Borg's footspeed (Federer)
    Laver's shot arsenal (Federer)
    Nadal's point construction (Wilander)
     
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    Federer, Borg, McEnroe.
     
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    Vijay Amritraj followed by Roger Federer.
     
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    In terms of pure talent, Vijay was better than most of the players ranked above him, even some of the GOAT candidates wouldn´t be more talented.
     
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    Other great talents: Santana,Roche,Panatta,Orantes,Gerulaitis,Mecir,Stich and Safin - in terms of pure tennis ability-.Leconte could have been there, so Rios, but they wasted much more talent than they used, so do not deserve to be considered true talented players.
     
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    Graf, definitely!

    Sadly she didn't win as much slams as she was supposed to do.
     
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    I'm going to throw out Irakli Labadze. Dead serious too.
     
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    Why not? Like I wrote, there is no right or wrong answer.

    Can you elaborate on why you think he's the most talented?
     
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    No way Federer's footwork is worse than Nadal's
     
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    Federer.

    GOAT.
     
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    The phrase is, "I COULDN'T care less about this thread." "I could care less" means, of course, that you could care even less than you do; I doubt that's what you mean. If you're going to be an irritant, at least get your irritating remark right. (And you're trying soooooooooo hard to get someone to comment on your ambivalence, I didn't want you to burst from the anticipation.)
     
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    I think he meant what he said, he could care less because he cares so much now. Why else would he be spending his valuable time posting here.
     
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    A couple points in Pancho Gonzales' favor. One, he didn't have many advantages and had to fight the system to even get to play. Two, he walked away from the game for years at a time a couple of times and was able to come back and play at the highest level.
     
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    She sure had a talented backhand slice. That was all I remembered her for as a child, and that all of her strokes looked EXTREMELY awkward.
     
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    I'll probably get flamed for this, but, I think a lot of players, men and women, would benefit from emulating Graf's forehand. It was unique in that it incorporated the best of an old school Eastern drive and a modern semi-WW and reverse follow through when needed, similar to Sampras' forehand but with a more compact, simpler, more repeatable, windup.
     
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    We might do a female-GOATs-of-FH list. I bet Graf's would be top-5 of all time.
     
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    Graf would be my choice for number one.

    Hopefully you do a greatest female forehand list Hoodjem.

    Possible names-Wills, Lenglen, Connolly, Navratilova, Seles, Serena, Clijsters.
     
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    Chris Evert!
     
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    duplicate
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    Roger has better footspeed, IMO. Rafa takes more smaller steps. Witness Rafa's propensity for having to lunge versus Roger's more upright style of movement when each player is being made to run around and play awesome defense. You will see proof that Roger has better pull away speed though perhaps not as strong a first step as Rafa.

    Now if this is true, then why is it that Rafa gets into fantastic hitting position on just as many balls, except if Rafa's prep were a tad bit better which would be due in part to him having slightly superior footwork.
     
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    Just the opposite, IMO. Ralph has more natural speed. Federer has the best, most efficient, movement I've ever seen on a tennis court. Connors had the best footwork overall, but, Federer's movement is more economical.
     
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    Who cares about your comment?
     
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    Nastase , Goolagong, Rios are good ones besides Fed and Sampras.
     
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    Federer flows into position, he doesn't take the small steps because he doesn't need to; he's already there and set up. He gets to the ball as quickly because he has better anticipation, while Rafa is faster
     
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    Ask a pro :
    "Roger Federer is the most talented tennis player I have ever seen. He has the capacity to become the greatest in history."
    Nick Bollettieri.

    End of thread.
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