Most undeserving Slam winner in the past 20 years,and best player never to win a Slam

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  1. Gizo

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    The best tennis that Gaudio ever played was probably in the lead-up to the 2002 French Open, when he won back-to-back titles at Barcelona and Mallorca in successive weeks. At Barcelona he won 13 sets out of 13, brushing aside Moya and the world no. 1 Hewitt along the way, before thrashing Costa who would win the title at RG a few weeks later in the final.

    The next week at the Mallorca bullring he beat Kuerten and Calleri en-route to the title, in the final edition of that tournament before it relocated to Valencia the next year.

    Had he won the French Open title in 2002 instead it would have been much less of a surprise.

    In 2004 his win-loss record on clay going into RG was 12-9, with just one good run finishing as the runner-up at Barcelona. He had lost in the 2nd round in Monte-Carlo and the 1st round at both Rome and Hamburg.

    Still you can't argue with the draw he came through to win his RG title, Canas, Jiri Novak, Enqvist, Andreev, Hewitt, Nalbandian and Coria. That's a very tough draw from start to finish.

    During the summer-clay court season that year he finished as the runner-up at 3 successive tournaments in as many weeks, at Bastad, Stuttgart and Kitzbuhel, which must have been frustrating.

    He did brilliantly in 2005 to win 5 clay court titles at Vina Del Mar, Buenos Aires (a huge goal for all Argentinian players of course), Estoril, Gstaad and Kitzbuhel.

    He was very disappointed to finish as the runner-up at Stuttgart 3 times, being beaten by Squillari in 5 sets in the 2000 final, Canas in 5 sets in the 2004 final and Nadal in straight sets in the 2005 final. He joked that the only way for him to get his hands on that Mercedes was to steal it.
     
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  2. TTMR

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    Most undeserving slam winner is Nadal: This guy wins zero--that's right--zero slams in the nineties against that clay field. Forget anything other than clay pre-2001.

    The best player to never win a slam, as I've read here, is one of Mecir, Rios, Nalbandian, Coria, Baghdatis, Gulbis, Gasquet, Ljubicic or Monfils. I'm definitely not forgetting anyone.
     
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  3. mellowyellow

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    Exactly, and look at the highs that Bjorkman, Gambill and Voltchkov were ranked. Voltchkov reaches 25 through the ensuing year, and Bjorkman was in the top 10 for a year reaching No.4, while Gambill would reach 14 the ensuing year. Bjorkman also doubles Grand Slam champ and accomplished grass player. Its like when Fed lost to Murray at Cincy in the 2nd rd after winning the Canada tourney, everyone knew Murray was going to be a tough play even though his rank did not reflect a challenge for Fed.All those guys were good faster surface players. Rafter won 2 USO and was runner up at Wimby the following year, so he still had good tennis in him. I still say, someone come up with a draw that he was supposed to have... Look at what everyone was doing at that point in their career.
     
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  4. Mainad

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    None of those 4 have ever made a Slam final. Gulbis hasn't even made a semi!
    Yet you seriously put them ahead of the likes of Slam finalists Murray (a multi-finalist),Tsonga or Berdych?
     
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  5. Fedex

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    Why should you hesitate?
    The fact is that Murray has never won a slam and is currently, by results, the best player never to have won one. An unenviable record.
    Winning slams are extremely difficult things to do.
    Federer demonstrated that to Murray at Wimbledon 2012.
    After all the efforts of getting to the final, it seems, you then have to play the match of your life on that particular day to win it.
     
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  6. THUNDERVOLLEY

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    Agreed, and i'll toss Safina in there. None had the ability to win a major, and while some think the jury's still out on Wozniacki, until she has that perfect storm of majors conditions (chief opponents brainfarting, upset, injury, etc.), she's not going to win under the touchy-feeling hands of her daddy.
     
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  7. RF-17-GOAT

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    Dont know who's the underserving but the best not ever to win is Murray and Tsonga.
     
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  8. SLD76

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    yes but most of the people mentioned as best to never win one are long retired or well past prime.

    murray can still win one, and is coming into his prime

    what is there not to understand?
     
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  9. SLD76

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    wozniacki needs massive overhaul of her game to have a chance at slam.

    improved net play
    improved transition game
    improved forehand
    improved mentality.

    so long as her daddy is involved, I dont see her improving.

    and the bottom line is, even if she improved all these facets, she simply doesnt have the power...she can always be blasted off the court. a slam final would never be on her racket.
     
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  10. THUNDERVOLLEY

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    That--and she's such a sloppy player. Most of the time, she plays like someone at the country club, and only had rare moments of intensity, or something of a game plan.
     
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    Murray has been to four slam finals and hasn't come up with the goods in any of them. If you are given multiple opportunities in life and refuse to exploit them, then you don't deserve success. Having wasted so many chances, he clearly doesn't deserve a slam and his failures at the highest level reveal to a far greater degree his true talent than his winning various mickey mouse tournaments. This is why you have to admire guys like Gaudio and Johansson. They had one shot, and they seized the glory. True champions all the way.

    Tsonga is in that second tier of best players never to win a slam, along with Blake and Massu.

    I did somehow overlook one player in my original list: Tommy Haas. He could have had a Federer-like career barring injuries. He and Nalbandian are the second and third most talented 2000s era tennis stars respectively.
     
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  12. Mainad

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    Sorry, that makes no sense whatsoever. You cited Gulbis, Monfils, Gasquet and Ljubicic as better players not to win a Slam than Murray and yet NONE of those have ever been good enough to MAKE a Slam final! To somehow extrapolate that they WOULD have won one if they had got there is nonsense. How about first creating the opportunities to try and win one? If you don't create that opportunity, then you are never going to be good enough, plain and simple. It may well be that Murray isn't good enough to win a Slam but if he isn't good enough, how much less so are those players you cited who have never been good enough even to get to a Slam final? That's just illogical and blindly prejudiced I'm afraid.

    Well, his mickey-mouse tournaments still far dwarf anything ever won by those supposedly superior Slam wannabees, Messrs Gasquet, Monfils, Ljubicic and Gulbis, not to mention Messrs Tsonga, Blake and Massu!

    And no-one is taking it away from them.

    Good choice, but why second tier? And why is he any better than Murray when he has only been good enough to make one Slam final so far!

    Coulda shoulda. If only wishes were fishes and Bob had been my aunt instead of my uncle. You can't ever say what a player might or might not have done if only he had been this or been that or done this instead of that or this or that hadn't happened. Pure speculation. And speculation means diddly-squat compared to actual facts and figures.
     
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    Don't forget, that the main reason those warriors (Gaudio and Johansson) seized their one moment of glory and became tennis immortals is because they were not pushers like Murray, they played manly tennis and took their fate into their own hands unlike Murray who never really won a tennis match in his life, his opponent either beats himself or he beats Murray, there's no 3d possible outcome.
     
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    @Mainad

    To save you the time, TTMR is being completely sarcastic here (IIRC Murray is his favourite player actually), he's mostly ridiculing the people here who repeat like parrots that slams are all that matters and put guys like Johansson, Gaudio and Delpo over Murray as a player (which is stupid).
     
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    Murray is a born looser and always gets owned even in victory.
     
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    Miloslav Mecir is the best player never to win a Slam

    I know some people say Murray - but I go with Miloslav Mecir. When you say him play, well he just made some elite players look amateurish. Wonderful hands, anticipation, ability to change direction, disguise.

    He won the WCT Finals which was a very big tournament, Miami (when it was regarded as the 5th slam at the time and was best of 5 sets every round) and got Olympic Gold. He also was in the US open final and Australian Open final (lost both to Lendl - no shame in that). He also was dominating Edberg for 1/2 their Wimbledon Semi-final in 1988 before Edberg came alive, even though Mecir had a back brace on. Edberg went onto win the title. I believe if Mecir had got past Edberg he would have beaten Becker in the final.
     
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  17. Mainad

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    Well, it's difficult to know who is trolling and who isn't. IMO there are enough Murray-hating trolls swanning around on here without having fans joining in to give 'em a helping hand! :cool:
     
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