Murray accomplished something none of the other top 4 achieved

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  1. Seany

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  2. Tennis_Maestro

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    Agassi has him beat by a mile in this department. Heck, even Federer is a better hardcourt point constructor.
     
  4. Tennis_Maestro

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    Disagree....
     
  5. Fedex

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    Didn't gangly, teenage Murray beat Federer in 2006?
     
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    Murray also got destroyed in his first slam final by Federer during Federer's worst season. But the match up issue clearly does stand for at least smaller events.
     
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    What is Fed's record against Safin? LOL
     
  8. Cesc Fabregas

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    I can't believe I'm sticking up for Federer here but he's the best hardcourt of all time and you're talking rubbish.
     
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    One of the greatest things about Andy Murray is that he has had to form himself as a player and a champion in the public eye. He's had tough losses, problems with technique and tactics, he DIDN'T win young, like Fed (22), Nadal (what, like 17/18?) and Novak (21), he's been there or thereabouts for a long time now, and he's worked and worked and finally found the extra belief and aggression to see him over the finish line. That's very, very inspiring to me.
     
  10. Tennis_Maestro

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    Another person that makes his opinion but doesn't back it up.

    IMO, Federer is the best Indoor hard-court player of all time, normal hardcourts? This a question that has yet to have been answered for me. I simply said Djokovic was the better point-constructor on hardcourts. There's a difference. You however, are still in clinical depression since your boyhood idol has been injured for going on 3 months now. Stop acting bitter.
     
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    Overcoming adversity. :) He's sic.
     
  12. Breaker

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    2. No personal attacks or abusive language is allowed. If you have a problem with someone, take it off Talk Tennis. Antagonistic behavior will not be tolerated. Debating issues and opinions is fine, but flaming and insulting won’t be tolerated.
     
  13. Tennis_Maestro

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    Edited......
     
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    Endearing.
     
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    Maybe that's why it took him 5 attempts to win his first slam title. All of Fed, Djoko and Rafa won their first slam at 1st attempt (1st slam final). Actually it was 2nd attempt for Djoko, sorry
     
  16. Sky_Boy

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    I dun agree.. and tone down.. your sounding like a *****
     
  17. Tennis_Maestro

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    Troll........ :roll:
     
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    Vein??? was hoping for a heart attack instead.
     
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    U do realise that calling me a troll is irrelevant to the topic right? Pls more intelligient poster to contribute to topic pls
     
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    Tone down and get a attitude check before u try discussiing anything to anyone otherwise it's pointless
     
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    lol this newbie.
     
  22. Cesc Fabregas

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    Federer has won 5 US Open's and 4 Australian Open's on outdoor hardcourts plus Various Indian Wells, Miami, Canada and Cincy titles. It's not really up for debate, Federer is the best hardcourt player ever as it stands.
     
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    U disagree without backing it up too... your a fool op
     
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    IMO.. dun bother to try discussing anything with this poster.. his ego isn't open for discussing.. and to all readers, dun waste your time on this thread..OP ego just doesn't allow for any discussion
     
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    Again i believe calling me a newbie is irrelevant to this thread something u emphasis on alot.. it's insulting and it seems your trolling
     
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    Federer is 31 DJokovic is 25 ... Federer won the majority of those slams in a weaker era. Now you go....
     
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    Batz has been saying this forever, Tennis_Maestro - stop nicking other people's ideas and turning them into your own threads.
     
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    LMFAO. Batz has never once said this. Batz is jus a huge Murray admirer, as am I. Nice try though. :)
     
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    Don't see anything impressive there. Sorry
     
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    He was backing up his statement, and I believe he did so pretty well, with facts. Do you have any facts to support your opinion?

    As for this thread, perhaps it is true that Murray had to beat a multiple slam champion (in the final) where the others did not, but it is pretty meaningless overall.

    Djokovic and Nadal have done much more impressive things in general. Nadal was able to break through and get a stranglehold on the French and prevent the possible GOAT from winning RG when the goat was in his prime (and when Nadal was very young). Djokovic was able to stop Nadal from creating an era all for himself in addition to getting by a still formidable Fed.

    So yes, Murray had to beat a multiple slam champion to get his first slam, but it was someone from his own generation who has had a much better career so far. Djokovic grabbed an early opportunity (that he created by beating Fed in the semi's) and then grabbed his second slam against Murray years after his first. That final was an excellent opportunity for Murray against a one slam Djoker who was not brimming with slam confidence at the time. Murray got steamrolled.

    Perhaps if you would read through the other posts that are similar to this, you would realize that no one is disagreeing with such an obvious fact, they are only questioning its importance.

    Not many people do, but the op isn't going to give up. :)
     
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    You're a joke, so what if Djokovic is 25 there is no guarantee he's going to catch Federer's hardcourt slam count as of now Federer is the best. Federer's era wasn't great but this era is a joke as well.
     
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    Good points. I'm a Murray fan but the fact is Novak and Andy are direct contempories (Murray a week older). Novak managed to get to a slam final against a non slam winner. Where was Andy that year? If his road was harder it's because he made it harder for himself. No excuses.

    I'm over the moon he's got there at last and here's hoping he gets a few more.
     
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    No, really, Batz has been saying it for ages that Murray has been unfortunate in that he's not been afforded the same luxury of the Big Three in facing slamless opponents in GS finals.

    Wait till he pops into this thread and he'll tell you himself.

    Good ol' Batz.
     
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    I'm happy for Murray as well and I am hoping that all of the top guys will get their acts together at the same time next year. A slam is a slam no matter how long it takes for you to get one.

    Unfortunately, a new addition to the slam club means more tards that actually have a leg to stand on. It is getting hot in here. :)
     
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    Tennis Maestro, just admit it, you don't know the difference between feat and feet, lol
     
  36. tennisMVP

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    That's quite a feat.
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    And piece and peace.
     
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    Not their fault that they didn't get a GS champ in final. Doesn't make them any less than Murray or say Del Potro (beat Fed), Hewitt, Safin(beat Sampras) to win their first slam.
     
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    Call me when he beats Fed in a slam final tbh.
     
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    You're absolutely correct. You can only play against the opponent you're given.
    It's never easy for anybody to win their first Slam (unless their final opponent were to pull out which has never happened). People are just putting Murray's win into some context to slap down the idiots who are always trying to say he must have had it 'easy' or got especially 'lucky' whenever he wins something big. That's all! :cool:
     
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    One thing is for sure, Murray beat the title-favorite and defending champion.
     
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    Greg R got to the USO final. That is an amazing achievement considering his talent.
     
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    Well, if you were seeking some kind credibility on these boards, you're sure not going to get it with this kind of hogwash. This is as weak (read desperate) as trolls get, so you're going to have to do much better to compete with the real trolls here... ;)
     
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    If its like this when Murray gets ONE...I'm scared for when he gets 2 or 3...
     
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    I agree. I thought it was entertaining and they fought well, but the quality of play was not overall astounding. A peak Federer would have won in 3 or 4 sets.
     
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    From the 2004 U.S. Open to the 2007 Dubai Championships, Federer went 137-3 on hard courts (110-3 outdoors). Let's see Djokovic put up those kinds of numbers before we crown him the best hard court player ever.
     
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    Who were the three?
     
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    Safin at the 2005 Australian Open, Nadal at 2006 Dubai, and Murray at 2006 Cincinnati.
     
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    Nadal, Murray and Safin.
     
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    Well make your thread clearer next time...
     

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