Murray back op done

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  1. Crisstti

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    Just for once you could try to take that sick Nadal hate out of your mind. Seriously, just give it a try.
     
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    I agree that he has been optimistic about his operation, but I feel there is more to it than meets the eye, especially since his back has been hampering his results recently. Even if the surgery has gone according to plan, there will be some drawbacks as without practice his level will slowly decline, much like Nadal's did before he came back to the game, and that is only looking at it with a good prognosis. If worst comes to worst, he may even have to skip 7 or 8 months and slowly climb back up, ala Del Potro in 2011. I do feel he has the potential to do so, though.

    Hewitt had difficulty during the 2005 season after he fell down a flight of stairs. He seemingly recovered quickly for Wimbledon and the US Open, missing Roland Garros. His injuries at that point were about as serious as Murray's are now, but after he pulled out of the Tennis Master's Cup in Shanghai, his level in Australia was dismal and he lost in the 2nd round, his injuries having slowed him down.

    Murray was smarter than Hewitt though, as he got surgery done when his results started to be affected by his injuries. Unfortunately for Hewitt, he left it too late.
     
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    Hopefully, he is fine. I imagine he has access to top-shelf surgeons, so that--along with recovery should have him on his feet in no time. That said, post-op leads many to "guarding" as a natural reaction/fear of hurting themselves after such an operation, so he may not be back to his old self for some time.
     
  4. THUNDERVOLLEY

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    Enough of your anti-Nadal butthurt.
     
  5. batz

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    Update on murray's condition - his mother tweeted the following:

    "Asked my invalid son this morning if there was anything I could do for him. He replied that I could stop talking as that always helps. He's clearly on the mend".
     
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    I only commented on Murray's class in handling his injury and didn't talk about anyone else. If you read that and felt it makes someone else come across as a liar and a drama queen in comparison, too bad.
     
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    Thinking positively, the operation will be a total success, with no lingering problems, he'll recover fully, and come back physically stronger than he's been in the last 18 months.

    Realistically, the post-op photo thumbs up only shows that the surgery itself went ahead as planned and with no big problems. That's always a relief, but it takes several days, after the swelling has gone down, and the serious painkillers are no longer required, to get an idea of how effective the surgery has been, and even longer to work out how well everything has healed. It takes a lot of physio and rehabiliation to make sure the surgery scars are not a problem etc.

    The good news is that this sort of surgery is apparently more successful if you do the right supportive exercises in advance, which is presumably what Murray has been doing over the last few months, and he's going to have the discipline to keep it going. He's already got his own personal physio who I'd guess is installed in the spare room, who is supposed to be a back specialist, so you'd expect his recovery to be far superior to the average person undergoing the same procedure.

    Personally, I'm quietly confident everything will go well and hopeful he'll be back in form before too long, but I'm not naive enough to presume that describing it minor surgery means full recovery can be presumed. It's typically British to play down these kinds of things.
     
  8. Crisstti

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    Lol, do you actually think you're fooling anyone? :)
     
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    I think the Nadal fans are being a bit over-sensitive. Murray did underplay his injuries to the press up until he announced his surgery, and it should be OK to point that out in a thread about the actual surgery. Whether or not it's fair that Nadal has a reputation for the reverse should be neither here nor there, and getting touchy about it in a thread about someone else's surgery doesn't help.

    Regarding the actual surgery, Judy Murray was being interviewed last night, and didn't give much away about the actual surgery, but said it was a three hour procedure, and he stayed in one night, and couldn't really move much yet.

    She was on the Clare Balding show along with Boris Becker, so quite a lot of tennis talk, so worth catching a repeat if you are interested and can find it (BT Sport). Clare brought up the time Boris said Judy needed to back off if Andy were to win a slam, which made him squirm a bit. He tried to get out of it, by suggesting he'd said something else, but I don't think she was having any of it. :oops: :lol:
     
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    Saying something nice about Murray in a thread about his surgery is "Nadal hatred" according to the Nadal fans :confused:. Only explanation is that deep down they themselves think their hero is a liar so it irks them when you point out someone else's classy behavior.
     
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    sbengte was obviously taking a dig at Rafa, he barely ever does anything else here. So no one's being over sensitive here. Just pointing out the obvious.
     
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    . Murray acts like a drama queen every single time he steps on the court. After every other point he loses he grabs a random body part and acts like he is in pain. I would much rather see a player talk about injuries off the court rather than behaving like a hypochondriac on the court.
     
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    He's just undergone serious back surgery for heaven's sake (forget minor, there's no such thing as minor back surgery)! Do you really think he would have put his future fitness and career on the line by doing that because he is a 'drama queen' who likes to fake and exaggerate his ailments? Do you not now think there may actually have been a genuine reason behind some of those twinges and grimaces and body-part grabbings you find so fake and exaggerated?

    What else does he have to do to convince you? :twisted:
     
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    Please, Murray grabs his wrist, ankles, neck, gonads ..you name it during his matches. I know he has a serious back issue, but he does overplay his ailment in all of his matches. One minute he runs like the win and smacks a huge passing shot and then he makes a careless unforced errors and grabs his wrist and acts like he broke it.
     
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    If one day you ever have the misfortune of developing sciatica, I'd be interested to see if you can make it through life without ever showing any pain.

    It's obvious from what Sid and others write about how he's "fine one minute" and looking pained the next, that they don't actually know what sciatica is. The pain is not constant, and extreme pain can come on suddenly, so it is entirely predictable that someone might be able to play a great shot one minute, then experience excruciating pain the next.
     
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    Yes he acts like a drama queen and a drag queen at that. I'm no fan of his cus of all his weird antics, how his wrists or gonads hurt from his back issue I have no idea but it still sucks that he needed an opt and I wish him a speedy full recovery.

    I rather he be healthy so win or lose he has no reason to look like a walking wounded lame a** on the court.
     
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    I tell you what Sid - find me a link where he grabs those 4 areas of his body in a match just one time and I'll donate £100 to the charity of your choice.

    Alternatively, you could admit that you are exaggerating hugely and that the 'problem' you allude to is more one of your perception than reality.

    Murray has a bi-partite patella and a disc problem - he has previously had serious knee and wrist injuries - these things are facts. Your assertions aren't. Has he behaved sometimes in the way you describe? Yes, and especially over the last 2 years, touching his back/hip/leg - but now that he's had an invasive back procedure, it would seem somewhat harsh to still be peddling the 'drama queen' schtick.
     
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  18. batz

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    He dresses in woman's clothing?
     
  19. *Sparkle*

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    Getting confused with Tsonga! :lol::shock::oops:

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    Seriously though Batz, there's no point in trying to reason with some people. A few are just a bit ignorant so don't appreciate the variability of some conditions, but on the whole, people don't like to be proven wrong. Accepting that Murray has a real back problem means accepting they did get it wrong. Beyond that, people generally know that it's not nice to have a go at someone for playing poorly, or acting injured, when they are in fact injured. Most people think they are nice, or at least want to be a nice person.

    The news that Murray needed an operation to deal with a long-term injury causes a conflict. They have to admit they got it wrong, and that makes them not very nice, which creates a conflict, so they can get around it by convincing themselves that their previous criticism was legit.

    That conflict is known to psychologists as cognitive dissonance, and all of this denial is known as dissonance reduction.

    In short, people don't like to let the facts, logic or common sense, get in the way of a firmly held opinion. There comes a point where there isn't any point in attempting reason, because they'll still have their fingers in their ears.
     
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    Post of the day!
    drama queen , a perfect word for scot.
     
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    Post of the day!
    drama queen , a perfect word to explain his behavior on court .
     
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  23. vive le beau jeu !

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    and he bagelled the godfaker twice... i've got to give that to the muzzette. [​IMG]

    too bad this website doesn't exist... the name looked promising ! :)
     
  24. batz

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    What's a perfect word for someone who's already been banned twice from this forum and is now on their 3rd username?
     

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