Murray Camp Angry

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  1. The Bawss

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    Hey you. Yeah you. Benoit Paire is a complete mug with 0 credentials and he got to play a night match. U jelly brah?
     
  2. nikdom

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    Interestingly enough, I was there for the quarterfinal match between Murray and Cilic and he was actually moved from Arthur Ashe to Armstrong.

    In fact, even then, he was complaining -

    So the whining and bltching is nothing new.
     
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    ^^^ Oh yeah, who'd he play? ;)

    Besides, you know what the media should have told his camp. Just wait until you have to play Fed. You'll play at night then. That's what I would have said if I was in that crowd. :lol:
     
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    That's right. Didn't you see how empty and deathly silent Arthur Ashe was a few months back when Murray beat Djokovic in the USO final.
    No one wanted to interview him afterwards too.
    Nobody whatsoever interested.
     
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    He only complained, because it was moved last minute.

    Either way Murray hasn't been complaining about this, so I don't really get what your problem is. The Daily Fail is hardly a reliable source. Murray's comments sounded very mature to me. But maybe you're one of those ridiculous haters and only look for things to criticise him for. Expected, really.

    I went to Wimbledon just to see Murray play. Shocking, I know.
     
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    Ha ha even Benoit Paire is more popular than Murray then.
     
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    What whining and *****ing? He was merely commenting. You think the great Roger wouldn't have 'commented' similarly if that had happened to him?

    And none of this answers my question. Murray got TWO night matches at Flushing Meadow, one of them against that world-famous champ, Ivan Dodig!
    So I repeat yet again, why is it a problem for the officials at Melbourne Park? Whether you happen to like him or not, he IS the world #3 when all is said and done, not world #43!
     
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    Anyone remember Sampras being put on court #2, the graveyard court, against freaking Bastl, who he promptly lost to? At Wimbledon of all places.

    THAT was a disgrace. This, not so much.
     
  9. nikdom

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    Yes, you're outdoing yourself today. Beautiful logic, condescending sweeping statements.

    If you knew anything about me, you would know that I'm anything but a Murray hater. Yes, I criticize certain aspects of his game/personality. I definitely criticize the fawning that is demanded from the British press. But I'm no hater as you would like to conveniently label me.

    Go check threads I've started about Murray.
     
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    Don't you think a professional tennis player should be taking note of these factors? He's observing facts. You call it whining.
     
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    If the R3 matchup had been Murray/Tomic, this thread would never have existed. Of course, the downside would have been that it could still be going on today!
     
  12. nikdom

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    Roger never complains about this kind of stuff. Perhaps a good reason why he is consistent at the slams. As I noted in the other thread, Murray would be better off too if there wasn't such an entitlement syndrome.
     
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    You are an idiot, you really are.
     
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    The most telling thing is that he said "I never played well on that court". Cmon. You're a professional tennis player. Suck it up and play.

    I've watched Roger on Armstrong play a 3rd round against Vince Spadea. He was moved there at the last minute as well. This was in 2006 by which point he was a big star. Never heard a peep from him. In fact, if it weren't for that move, I would have never seen Federer play live that too from 6 feet behind the baseline. Not everyone can afford luxury seats in a show court.
     
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    I wonder why he never complains? Why would you complain if you had all the cushy night matches.
    Sure as hell he'd be discussing the subject if he had 5 day matches.
    No massive deal anyway.
    Murray's easy draw will probably balance things out.
    We're only discussing the subject. It's not meant to be a war.
    I have to get a life and go for now. Chill everyone please.
     
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    This subject is generating an inordinate amount of heat and light but I would like to go on the record in support of Nikdom's protestations. A Murray hater he ain't.
     
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    Thank you batz!

    As you aptly noted, this discussion has gone on a little longer than it needs to. Perhaps I should call it a day. ;)
     
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    Let's face it, even if an 80 year old Fed decided he wanted a wildcard at AO '2078, he'll probably still get a night match at RLA albeit in his walking stick/wheelchair for all 7 matches..

    ...unless he is outed Lance Armstrong style in 10 years time :mrgreen:
     
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    Perhaps a good reason why he is consistent at the slams. As I noted in the other thread, Murray would be better off too if there wasn't such an entitlement syndrome.[/QUOTE]

    Better off in what way? Murray plays on all kinds of courts and at all kinds of times. He never kicks up a fuss unless he thinks there is something unfair going on. Even then, he merely 'comments' like most other top players, Federer included, would. You make it sound like he throws tantrums and screams the place down!
     
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    Andy Murray playing at night = the death of tennis

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    Completely agree with you!
     
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    That's the price for playing only average players.

    Davydenko, Tomic, Raonic, Tsonga... Players better than almost if not every player that murray has confronted in his drawn. Night matches are the prime time, you have to show the best match possible, and that weren't any of murray's matches.
     
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    It would be at AO '2062 if he is to play at 80.
     
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    You must be jokiing if you don't think Roger wouldn't comment if he wasn't scheduled for any night matches! But then, he never has occasion to...does he?

    Better off in what way? He plays on all kinds of courts at all kinds of times. He never comments unless he feels something is a bit unfair. Even then, he only comments. He doesn't throw tantrums or scream the place down or anything!
     
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    I'm so glad you noticed. :)

    The thing is, I never noticed you before and I don't really care if you're a hater or not. I certainly enjoy being as one-dimensional as most people on here are though.

    I hope you criticize certain aspects of Fed's personality as well.
     
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  26. ark_28

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    For what it's worth, while I agree it's unfortunate that Murray has not had a night match I genuinely do not think he has played a match that has warranted a night session slot now that is not a slight at him he's the world number 3 and a grand slam champion but to my mind the night match is meant to be the best match of the day as in potentially the most exciting contest non of Murrays matches have appeared that way on paper and furthermore none of them have materialised that way!
     
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    I agree with this.
     
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    I'm pretty sure his 1st was in 2003.
     
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    Where did I state otherwise? We were talking 2004-onwards.
     
  30. Mainad

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    The USO managed to schedule a night session for Murray's 2nd round match with Ivan Dodig! They respected Murray's status as world #3. The AO organisers apparently don't.
     
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    Sorry. I wanted to quote smoledman
     
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    I am not too sure what other matches were on that day?? But as a 2nd round match Murray v Dodig was a decent match because Dodig had beaten Nadal before and Tsonga just a few months prior to the match with Murray!

    The match with Raonic deserved night session billing for sure and I am pretty sure had Del Po got through and not Chardy then there is a chance that would have been the night match!

    Murray does have respect! But night matches are about enthralling contests about the main event! You need two to make that happen that's all I really do not see it as a slight at Murray at all!
     
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    Cheers for the correction, maths fail :oops:
     
  34. Amelie Mauresmo

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    Andy Murray fans talk about his semifinal or final finishes at the Australian Open the organizers do not care! How many slam titles has Murray won folks? It is all about SLAM TITLES. The players who get the evening matches are the MUTLIPLE slam champions not some one slam wonder who took forever to win his first slam title. Until Andy Murray starts racking up the slam titles he's still a step behind Roger and Novak. This is business, and I can guarantee most tennis fans would rather see Roger and Novak than Andy Murray. Murray is a solid player, and popular in the UK but outside of England most people don't care about him. Murray also has anger issues he swears a lot and he's ugly. Not exactly someone organizers want in primetime.
     
  35. Amelie Mauresmo

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    Actually, because Murray is from the UK is definitely the reason the western media hype this guy up. Murray's game is unattactive and extremely boring if he wasn't from England I don't think he would get much press at all. Novak Djokovic didn't get his respect from the western media UNTIL he had his breakthrough in 2011.

    Andy Murray actually got more hype than Novak despite taking FOREVER to win his first slam title. Despite Andy Murray being less talented than Novak he got more press just because he's from the UK and the western world. Since Novak is from Serbia he actually got discriminated against by the western media until he proved to the world he is worthy by beating Nadal multiple times in slam finals in 2011 and 2012. So Novak had to fight to earn his spot at the top.

    I am still not convinced about Murray he has a lot to prove. Winning one slam title does not mean he's at the absolute echelon of men's tennis. I still think until Murray racks up the slams the organizers got it right he doesn't deserve night sessions because he doesn't have the multiple slam titles.
    Andy Murray is ugly his fans need to face the facts he's not someone the organizers want in primetime. Also, Murray only has one slam title he's a champion but not a GREAT champion he is NOT someone who has proven he can win slams over and over againa and again.:)
     
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    as a professional one deals with the circumstances as they are and as they come and to break from that mantra is puzzling. that attitude was typical of lendl's career and exemplified to his charge that one can choose a positive response to deal with circumstances that are less than favorable rather than whinging. a rare slip by the murray camp since lendl joined the team to assert favoritism when it's clear a business decision was made to ensure the highest draw for tv viewership and entertainment value during the night sessions.
     
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    Obviously the best player and most popular of his generation would receive more preference in prime time scheduling. Im not belitting Murray, but what I just said, coupled with his opposition, who have no name recoginition compared to Davy/Tomic/Raonic.

    He has been a bit unlucky, but, like I said, in a few years, after his has built his legacy (AND WINS MORE SLAMS) he will get such luck and preference.

    Does it even matter when he has been streamrolling opponents. He is professional enough to be able to deal with this conditions. You mentioned the USO, but the conditions fluctuate even more there yet he still won!
     
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    Murray-Dodig was the night match at USO because there was no other match besides maybe Isner-Malisse but I think the organizers wanted to give Isner the greatest chance of progressing.

    Murray-Raonic was the other night match and the only other possibility was Federer-Fish. I suppose the organizers wanted to neutralize Raonic serve in the cooler conditions.

    While ratings are a priority, the organizers do want to give their favorites the favorable conditions to win.
     
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    I don't know why people are acting as if Andy has been mouthing off about this. He's said nothing publicly, and it's only reports that Lendl and some others in his team having words, which didn't even come from a reliable source. They were printed in The Mail, which is known to enjoy a good stir. Plenty of tennis fans and pundits were already commenting on how it will be a disadvantage for Murray if he and Federer do meet as planned at a night match when one of them is much more used to the conditions. Even PseudoFed was thanking them for his run of late matches on Sunday evening, so it's not that surprising that eventually one of the newspapers would say something and try to create a story about it.

    When asked about whether he would have a disadvantage, this is what he actually said:

    "Once you get to the semi-finals or finals here, both matches will be in the evening. Ideally it would be nice to get a [quarter-final] match in the evening but if not you just get on with it. Sometimes the schedule works well for you and sometimes it doesn't work out perfectly.

    I've had scenarios like at the US Open where it worked in my favour. Wimbledon didn't necessarily work in my favour this year, or last year, and the first US Open final I played, it didn't work in my favour. But you don't dictate the schedule, you just try and play and deal with everything as best you can."

    I don't see anything wrong with what he said. He'd be lying, or stupid, to attempt to deny a disadvantage, so I'm not sure what he could have said that wouldn't be interpreted by some as whinging.

    The Mail also said that Ferrer was unhappy about his lack of night matches too.

    Incidentally, I recall at Wimbledon last year, MacEnroe being shocked that Andy was put on Court No 1 for at least one of his matches. The official line was that all of the top players deserved a chance to play Centre Court and they couldn't be give the home player preferential treatment. MacEnroe said it was typical Brits, obsessing with being fair and they shouldn't be embarrassed to take advantage.

    Of course the issues as Wimbledon are different. They don't have a night session, and the only real difference comes if they put the roof on, so experience of playing under the roof, and not getting caught up in rain delays is the main advantage to a centre court spot. From a player point of view, the early afternoon slots are the best, because you know your start time, and you are less at risk of your match running over to the next day, and although weather is less relevant, it's the same time of day as the final. Murray's Wimbledon matches tend to be last of the day, suiting the tv scheduling.

    I don't think any of this is a big deal, just the Mail generating a bit of controversy as they are prone to, and it's part of a trend amongst the media that Federer is no longer untouchable.

    If Lendl really did complain, it was far too late, and a bit pointless because tv schedulers are blatently making the decisions and Murray's draw is less attractive to tv, but he'd still be right about it giving one player an advantage over another. Nevertheless, if this confrontation really did happen, I'd loved to have seen it!:)
     
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    Hes got a cakewalk draw. Whats he whining for? Who cares if you dont play at night. Be glad you get 4-5 rounds of bums
     
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    Which part, if you don't mind me asking?
     
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    Heresy!

    No. Every Federer fan here likes Federer for his "old-school" beautiful game, one-handed backhand and his "casual elegance". That's a fact. His 17 slams, numerous records over 10 years and commercial prominence are entirely incidental. If Federer had the career of Frederico Gil, he'd be just as beloved.
     
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    Simple: Murray and Federer are on the same half of the draw. If it is between the former and latter, we know who draws better.

    However, this criticism is legit, and I can see why Murray's camp are annoyed.
     
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    Quoted because some people seem to have missed this post - MURRAY IS NOT COMPLAINING. He getting on with his job as a professional should.
     
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    Does Murray ever stop whining? I have gone from cheering for him to not cheering for him to disliking him.
     
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    He didn't complain. His camp did.
     
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    It's not like they are doing it against Andy's wishes. It's the same thing.
     
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    But the criticism is legitimate. Murray and his camp tend to often complain about insignificant things, but I don't know why people are complaining about him complaints.
     
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    Murray fans need to face facts the guy is not as popular as Nadal, Federer, or Djokovic. I am not surprised during the US OPEN Murray was moved to a side court. I think another part of Murray's problems besides his lack of credentials is his personality.

    People mention the Olympic gold medal and US OPEN title which is good but the fact is he is a distant fourth behind Roger, Novak, and Rafael in terms of accomplishments. Murray hasn't made it to number one either and he only has one slam title.Murray come across as very unfriendly, arrogant, rude. He also seems very guarded, somber, and depressed. I don't like Murray's personality he comes across as someone that has a serious attitude problem and sense of entitlement just because he's British and from a western nation. I've never seen a tennis player have Murray's success and the man always is yelling, screaming, swearing, he always looks like a sour puss on court miserable and negative personality.
     
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