Murray enters Basel?

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  1. tennis_pro

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    but then he's defending finals or victories of every tournament till Wimbledon (and another 1200 from the US final) while Murray did poorly in Indian Wells/Miami and could gain points just about everywhere. Don't fool yourself, Murray will get there next year, if not this.
     
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  2. Homeboy Hotel

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    After AO 2012:

    Murray plays..
    Rotterdam (defending 0, lost R1)
    Dubai (withdrew, injury)
    Indian Wells (10, lost R1)
    Miami (10, lost R1)

    Nadal plays...
    Indian Wells (600, Final)
    Miami (600, Final)

    Don't forget Murray never played Basel last year and only won 2 matches (400 points) in London this year (whereas Nadal 3 + won SF = 1000)

    After Australia, Murray is defending next to nothing. Murray can pretty easily get the #2 ranking if he posts some SF/W results post-AO and could be #2 going into the clay-stretch Monte Carlo in April.
     
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    Indian Wells Nadal has a splendid record at, so the odds are a final or title there. And obviously Nadal doesn't lose before the final of clay events. So that would only leave Miami as an issue for Nadal. But again, the Australian Open could be his big profit to make everything else rather comfortable. It really all depends on whether or not Nadal is injured at the Australian Open, because he obviously is extremely good on that surface, not even dropping a set this year until the injury.
     
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    You quite rightly state that Rafa has a near 1400 point opportunity at the AO but you choose to ignore that Murray has a 3000 point opportunity in the post AO hardcourt stretch.
     
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    Even if Nadal defends both finals in Indian Wells and Miami, there is not a chance in hell Murray loses in the 1st round in both tounaments again, thus in the WORST POSSIBLE SCENARIO the ranking points for both won't change.
     
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    he also ignores the fact that Murray reached the final of the last 2 Australian Opens while Nadal has in fact lost in the QF stage on both occasions. I don't know how come some Nadal fans are so delusional to think Murray's form will suddenly drop while Nadal won't lose in his life again.
     
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    Murray wants his hands on Roger and pummel him
     
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    I chose to "ignore" Murray? I was talking about Nadal.

    Nobody should even try to predict Murray's results, his play is far too streaky.
     
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    Maybe not as streaky as Nadal's has been lately! :wink:
     
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    Since his post AO slump Murray has made SF or better in 10 of 12 tournaments, 6 of which were slams or Masters 1000s. For the year overall he is 11 for 16.

    You can call that streaky if you like, but before you do - bear in mind that your boy is also 11 for 16.
     
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    Streaky is not making the finals for months and then suddenly winning 3 events in a row. Nadal whereas doesn't go long without making the finals of an event.
     
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    In the past I found Murray's style of play so boring. I rarely watched him unless he was playing against the other "Big 3". Eventhough he could beat them, the way he did it... slice, slice, slice, roll the forehand, slice, roll the backhand, dropshot, occasionally bang the backhand down the line... for me is aesthetically unappealing. He is definitely skillful and has all the shots but sporadically used them. During this hardcourt season I have seen a more aggressive Murray that highlights all of his talents including his defensive skills. Only this Murray, playing this way for an entire match as opposed to glimpses and spurts will be in a position to actually win a slam title.
     
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    Murray has made 4 finals since August (Cincinnati, Bangkok, Tokyo and Shanghai) and won all 4. He certainly lost form for a while following his AO final defeat but has been on a roll since the summer. His only blip was in Montreal but Nadal and Federer both suffered blips there too!
     
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    Erm, maybe you missed Murray winning Queen's in June and Cincinatti in August? Or maybe you meant 'in September' when you said 'for months'?

    Anyhoo - I think most people define 'streaky' as meaning playing at different levels week in, week out, month in, month out and getting very different results month in, month out. Winning one week, out in R1 the next 3 tournaments kind of thing. I don't think that most people would say that a player who regularly makes semis and finals is streaky. Streaky players aren't often challenging for number 2 in the world.
     
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    Hey man, what happened to:


    http://tt.tennis-warehouse.com/showpost.php?p=6087883&postcount=271

    :lol::lol:
     
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    Fresh troll? Are you in before the "Oh I told you 2011 was a fluke for Nadal" arguments (...you hope*) start arising next year?

    I think you will be greatly, greatly disappointed.
     
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    You aren't smart enough to understand that the statement "The past/present is no guide for the future" was made in reference to each year, as in the dominant player of 2007 was not repeated in 2008, and the dominant player of 2008 was not repeated in 2009, and the dominant player of 2009 was not repeated in 2010, and the dominant player of 2010 was not repeated in 2011. It is a reference to a player's inability to dominate the tour for 2 years in a row, which only happened when Federer had no rival from 2004-2007.

    Whereas the statement regarding Nadal's record at Indian Wells was in reference to Nadal's ENTIRE career at Indian Wells (he's won it twice and made the final last year, and his best result ever over Murray was conceding only 3 games to Murray at Indian Wells).
     
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    Nadal was the #2 ranked player from 2005-2007 and played five matches against Federer at the majors, more than Agassi and Sampras did from 1993-1998.
     
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