Murray has a good chance to become #1 next year

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  1. batz

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    I agree Noel is the rightful favourite, but you are straying into Clarky's absolutist territory with this 'Novak will win' malarky - it's not like you.

    Novak is nowhere the level of prohibitive, odds-on bookies' favourite at the AO that Rafa is at RG
     
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    And behind Djokovic, Murray is the co-favorite. He could very well win it, we will just have to wait and see.
     
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    If Lendl thinks he can get another 80% out of Murray, then everybody had better look out.
     
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    What is "malarky" about being sure that Cvac will win the AO? He has been the best player there for years now so I don't get the butthurt from you about saying he will win it. I know you want people to pick Andy, but that's just not realistic.


    Yes he is,and if they haven't picked him they should.
     
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  5. Djokodal Fan

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    unfortunately he will to go through only Djoker or Roger for a while whom he is very well capable of beating.

    Unless he faces the spanish Bull, he will be happy and the day when it happens we'll see what happens!
     
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    its simple bayybeee..you cannot see into the future..you have no more idea than any other of the 7 billion people on planet earth.
     
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  7. Huanita99

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    Djokovic is almost 5000 points above Murray in rankings. How is Murray going to overtake #1? yeah, maybe if Novak breaks both of his arms and legs. delusional tards.
     
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    Neither can Batz or anyone else. I am only picking who I think will win it,and it most likely will be Cvac.
     
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  9. Huanita99

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    also, the topic is 'Murray has good chances to become #1 next year', yet most of you are discussing the AO. I'm scratching my head.
     
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  10. batz

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    That's a bit of a softening of your position is it not? I agree completely with you.
     
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    How many finals has Djokovic had against Federer at the Australian Open?
     
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    His game is mindnumbingly boring,his personality seems to be as dull as his game and most importantly, he constantly acts like an idiot on court!
     
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    Murray would need to move his game up plenty,,Nole wont be just sitting around doing nothing, he's on a mission to win as many slams as he can..

    :mrgreen:
     
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    What difference does it make?
     
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    I disagree of course but you're entitled to your opinion.

    He's quite shy off court but he can be quite funny and has a very dry sense of humour. He's no extrovert like Djokovic, that's true.

    I don't understand this at all! Have you even watched him lately? Precisely how he does he 'constantly act like an idiot on court'?? :confused:
     
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  16. Sabratha

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    Murray's had to face Federer in an AO final, has Djokovic?
     
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    I wouldn't say it's a good chance, but he has a chance to become #1 next year, so does Donald Young.
     
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    I still get frustrated by this reasoning..

    You realise he's beaten him twice in the semis? which is worse luck because you have to play him earlier on and thus maybe lose earlier on. He's also played him 3 times at the AO in total compared to Murray playing him once. Whether it's a final or a semi or a 4th round, it makes no difference.

    Djokovic at the AO

    Djokovic vs Federer 2-1
    Djokovic vs Nadal 1-0
    Djokovic vs Murray 2-0

    Total 5-1

    Murray at the AO

    Murray vs Federer 0-1
    Murray vs Nadal 1-1
    Murray vs Djokovic 0-2

    Total 1-4

    Not saying Murray doesn't have a chance, but Djokovic is a big favourite if he plays like he did at the WTF. And Djokovic not playing Federer in an AO final means nothing because it isn't his fault he had to meet him in the semis all the time - you are aware that nearly every single HC slam Djokovic and federer have been in the same half unless seeding made it impossible?
     
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    Interesting. Are you saying Young's chances are at least as good as Murray's?
     
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    So does my six year old nephew.
     
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    I agree, and I see your point.
     
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  22. Towser83

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    sorry I don't mean to sound like a d-bag. I basically agree that Murray could win the AO, he came close to beating Djokovic this year and he beat hi at the US Open so Djokovic is the favourite but he will still have to play very well to beat Murray
     
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  23. Huanita99

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    Djokovic is 5000 points ahead of Murray. so do the math. He is not getting #1, unless Clarky decideds to kidnap Novak and hide him somewhere
     
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  24. jokinla

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    Murray obviously has a better chance than DY, I just don't see Murray getting past the big 2 or 3 if Nadal comes back fully, but if not I don't see him becoming #1 over Fed and Djoker next year, but he has a chance, just as DY does.
     
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  25. Rusty669

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    I have watched him lately actually, and to be fair, for his high standards, he might have toned it down a little in the last few tournaments.
    But against Fed for example at the WTF 2012 he once again attempted to throw his racket, used foul language etc. And I found that just skimming through the highlights video:
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uUwu_GDlP8M
    watch at 5:23
     
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  26. Crisstti

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    Uhm, that was nothing.

    BTW, that was a very nice outfit Fed wore.
     
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    I seriously don't understand why it bothers people so much. So what, he curses a little on the court... Give the guy a break, at least he is respectful in post-match interviews unlike some people. No one is forcing you to watch him play anyway. Besides, there are many players who destroy rackets. I guess it's just different and much worse when Murray does it.
     
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  28. Rusty669

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    Sure, there are players who are worse with breaking racquets and so forth. But somehow he seems to have a negative attitude on court throughout most of the season. Be fair guys, how often do you see him mouthing off after a mistake to his camp, grabbing his thigh when someone has hit a winner against him or so?Maybe it's just me:)
     
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    He grabs body parts all the time not just when he loses a point. And yes, he swears, no one is denying that... He hates losing points, any point. I just don't understand why it bothers you so much!? It's not like he's insulting his opponents or anything.
     
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  30. adil1972

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    murray hates clay court
     
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    What does that have to do with him becoming #1? Sampras managed to achieve #1 without achieving much on clay, why can't Murray?
     
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    It doesn't bother me THAT much!It's not like I get infuriated watching Murray to a degree that it spoils my day:) I just don't like the fact how he acts on court, it's not really what a number 1 should be doing. In fairness, he might tone it down if he ever gets to be number 1 in the world.
     
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    Djokovic still beats his chest and rips his shirts after a match, and he's #1 in the world. Give Murray a break.
     
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    Djokovic has earned the right to be a douch on court. When Murray goes on a 40+ match-winning streak he can fistpump, shout, grab his crotch, rip his shirt off and it will bother next to no one.
     
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    You meander like a big meandery thing with a healthy dose of hypocrisy. Either the behaviour is unacceptable or it isn't. If you find it unacceptable then that's fine - what isn't fine is the notion is that some people get to behave unacceptably because of their position in life.

    Would you argue that a senior politician or a CEO should be allowed to p1ss in the street because of who they are? Thought not. Put your Murray hate and your troll suit to one side for a moment and get with the programme.
     
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  36. PhrygianDominant

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    Djokovic is just one of those guys with next to no understanding of how his behavior is percieved. He tries way too hard to be charming, macho, you name it, and it comes off really awkward and lame...

    and I like Djokovic, just saying...
     
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    I agree. I also think that murray's humor runs toward the darker/inappropriate for interview side, and we hardly get to appreciate it. He makes me laugh more than Djokovic, and Djovovic is constantly trying to make everyone laugh.
     
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    Murray is a naturally funny guy, Djokovic just tries hard to impress.
     
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    they're both pretty funny
     
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    You're nitpicking, batz. Just take Donald Young if you need someone with an ATP ranking point (I think Donald still has at least 1 point?). Although Murray's chances of reaching no 1 are bigger than Young's, the odds are still rather low. He would have to rely on Djokovic's complete lack of form and himself playing out of his mind for a longer period. Then there's also Federer who still has a solid lead over Murray in the rankings... and who says Fed won't take advantage from Djokovic's potentiall loses? Nadal is coming back as well so free ride for the top 3 ends here.
     
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    Murray and Lendl apparently share a sick sense of humour.
     
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  42. batz

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    Pointing out that something is impossible is not nitpicking.

    I've already shown earlier how Murray could get within touching distance of Nole. Murray winning the AO from Nole's half would see that 5000 point gap almost halved. Does Donald Young have 'a good chance' of getting to number 1 next year? No - because he's not starting from an 8000 point base. Does Murray? Yes. Will Murray? No idea - if pushed I'd say probably not.

    Re your statement in bold - I think you mean that the odds on Murray getting to number 1 are high? (high odds = lower probability, low odds = higher probability).

    Bookies make Murray 3/1 to be year end number 1 with Nole 4/5. I'm guessing the odds on Murray being number 1 at some point would be lower than for year end but I don't see a book on it. Either way, bookies have Murray as 2nd favourite to be world number 1 at year end (Rafa is 8/1 and you can get 14/1 for Roger).

    So, odds not that high then - and in the opinion of the bookies, lower than anyone not named Nole.

    Murray has already shown that he can produce number 1 levels of non-slam consistency in 09/10 and slam consistency in 11/12. If he is able to combine both in 2013 then he stands a good chance - if he doesn't, he won't.

    EDIT - Whilst I can't find odds for Murray making number 1 at anytime, there is a book on Murray making top 2 at any time in 2013 - he is 1/16.
     
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    It's a fact when the proof is evidenced with his vivid "displays" on court, shortly after winning a game or a point. Ripping your shirt in triumph and beating your chest for attention signals an outrageous desire to be seen as overly macho and powerful, which is in turn Djokovic trying hard to be liked.
     
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    1/14 chance thats like 7%
     
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    Odds of 14/1 is the equivalent to a probability of 6.67%
     
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    This is spot on. His out of control Silverback behavior is one of the main reasons I can't stand him. That and his trashy family.
     
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    It was, cause me reaching the no 1 spot in June 2013 ain't practically any less probable than Young reaching the top ranking.

    You could've just said "anyone with at least 8000 points has a chance to reach the top spot" so that Murray fit in just right:)

    Yeah typo, was typing inbetween lectures so didn't have much time, thanks for correcting.

    Could you give us the link which has Murray at 3-1 to end 2013 as no 1? I don't quite find it believable.

    BTW Nadal is good value - underrated as always:) If it's true I'm actually considering betting on him ending the year at no 1

    The thing is to combine both. Odds are - if something hasn't happened - there's a good chance it won't in the future. That's why I'm wondering why the bookies put Murray at 3/1, not saying it won't happen but it's a long shot.

    1/16? I'd put it at 50/50 but hey who am I to critisize the bookies
     
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    As requested. Agree 100% on Nadal being good value.

    http://www.oddschecker.com/tennis/season
     
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    No one earns such a right.

    Exactly this.

    Yeah, this reminded me of that on court interview of Murray with Courier, and Courier was telling him that when Murray talks about Lendl having a great sense of humour he wonders "what?, is that the same Lendl I know"?, lol.
     

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