Murray - I can win Roland Garros

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  1. batz

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    LOL. Murray struggled against a 31 year old Federer and he thinks he can win the French, his worst surface?
     
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    There are a lot of reasons for thinking Murray won't win RG - his performance in the AO semis isn't one of them.

    Incidentally, can a player really struggle if they are never behind in the match?
     
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    If he doesn't believe this, why even play it?

    We can all have doubts about his ability to win it (and we all probably should), but if he has doubts, that would be cause for criticism. I like the attitude.
     
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    Murray has a good attitude, if you don't believe in yourself, you will not achieve anything!

    Murray doesn't care about 31 year old Federer, most important thing is that he played in AO final
     
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    I find it interesting that he is speaking in these terms. He has spoken openly before about his chances of winning the other 3 slams - prior to this, I think he'd only ever spoken before of 'doing well' at RG.

    Someone is telling him he can win it. Someone whose views Murray holds in very high regard.
     
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    (Spanish brigade-rafa) says hi
     
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    Well any player who doesn't believe he can win a tournament has no business showing up, especially a top 4 player.
     
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    only if he is lucky enough to meet rafa in the final. otherwise no way he can win it.
     
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    I actually believe he has an outside shot. He would need a good draw, though.
     
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    Quite.

    The thing is - he's one of only 4 current players to have taken a set off Rafa @ Monte Carlo and he created 18 BP against the Spaniard in their 2011 RG semi.

    Again - I'm not saying I agree with him - but maybe it's not that mental a proposition....OK, it is :)
     
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    He would likely need to be second seed and have Rafa, Roger, Nole, Delpo and Berdych in the other half - even then he'd probably lose to Ferrer :)
     
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    haha. Good luck with that Muzzah.
     
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    Muzza has also elected to stay on the dirt in April instead of Davis Cup in Coventry(can't say I blame him!).

    Ivan is most definitely saying: this is your chance, work harder...every match.
     
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    Strange to come out with this statement now - there is a hell of a lot of tennis to be played before we even get to the clay season.
     
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    Murray really should be better on clay than he is. Weren't his formative years spent training on clay in Spain?
     
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    Good to see he has a strong belief in his ability to win.
     
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    MC is highly overrated since it lost it's Masters1000 status. Rarely do all of the top 4 show up. So he took a set off Nadal. He still has never won a clay tournament, nor has he even made it to a clay final. The only way he could win RG is if Djoker, Nadal and Federer are all in the same half and none of them make it to the final. I'd say the chances of that happening are probably a gazillion to one.
     
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    Bit of a myth this mate. His formative years were spent on hardcourts - many of them indoors.

    He was at Sanchez-Casal for just under 2 years from the age of 15.
     
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    I genuinely think he can do it...
     
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    Ah, thanks for clearing that up. :)
     
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    He has zero shot to beat Nadal and Djokovic on clay in best out of five matches, and only has a slight chance against Federer at 30. I'd wager at least one of those guys will be in the final. Let's not even talk about Ferrer, Berdych, Almagro or JMDP who are also capable on clay. At least he's being optimistic, I guess.



    Has he even won a clay title btw?
     
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    Nope. Hasn't even reach a final, to my knowledge.
     
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    yes, spent thousands of hours grinding on the clay at Sanchez Casal!
    I was out there coaching a visiting group & shook my head at this thin,pale little scottish kid burning in the midday sun...
    How he has changed.
    Still loves grinding on the dirt but there are a few guys who like it more...
    Ferru is definitely one!
     
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    He's the fourth favourite for me, ahead of Ferrer. And yes, I'm aware he lost to Ferrer last year.

    To be honest, I can't see him winning it this year but he will have chances in a few years. Federer and Nadal will likely be gone and by then he should have improved on clay as well.
     
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    Can't knock his attitude.
    Maybe he should concentrate on winning a clay tourney first, or beating a player from the top 5 on the surface before aiming for the big one though! Pity he's skipping DC.
     
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    Over-rated by whom - you? I love it when people on this forum pull assertions out of their @rse and present it as fact.:) It was Nadal - on clay - only 3 other current players have done so - and 2 of them are Nole and Roger.

    Murray hasn't won a clay title or even made a final - that is true; but I'm sure if he entered Estoril or Cassablanca regularly, then that would change.

    The fact is that Murray's record where it matters on clay i.e. at RG, is relatively decent. For example, his record matches Ferrer and is much better than 'King of the SA Swing' Nico Almagro.
     
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  28. NadalAgassi

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    He would need to avoid Nadal and Djokovic both (no chance of him beating those two in a best of 5 on clay IMO), and would need to pull an upset if he plays Federer, Ferrer, or Berdych, who would all be favored over him on clay. Would also need to avoid the possible upset to a number of other players who probably believe they can beat him, and a long list who have beaten him before, on clay. Not totally impossible, Schiavone winning was a bigger upset, but not at all likely.
     
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    This is honestly what he should be doing. Maybe not much in the way of prestige, but it would surely boost his confidene on the surface.
     
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    No - but he's won 4 consecutive matches on clay at RG on 3 occasions - if he'd done that at 3 250 clay events he'd have 3 titles.

    Murray doesn't enter any clay 250s.
     
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    Hmm, Ferrer has quite a few titles on clay, I wouldn't say Murray's record is better, although I believe both to be better on the hard courts. As for Almagro, I think if they met at the FO, Almagro would be able to win and would certainly have his chances - but he's also a choker, that also cancels out when you're the underdog (which he would be).
     
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    I tend to agree - yet bookies have him as solid 3rd favourite.
     
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    Murray would probably beat Almagro at the French, either through Murray just outplaying him which he is fully capable of even on clay, or Almagro choking the match away if he does outplay Murray, the same way another choking dog Troicki did vs injured Murray in 2011.
     
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    Here is the list of people who would beat him should they meet at RG:

    Ferrer
    Almagro
    Berdych
    Federer
    Djokovic
    Del Potro
    Nadal
    Gasquet
    Wawrinka (maybe)
    Monaco (maybe)

    His draw is going to have to seriously open up for him to not end up playing one or more of these players but we know there's no chance of that happening. No, wait...
     
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    I'm sure it's something that is under consideration - I think you're right.
     
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  36. NadalAgassi

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    Well I cant imagine anyone not named Nadal or Djokovic winning the French anytime until 2017 atleast (well atleast not this year, I shouldnt project too far ahead as someone might improve alot be that Murray or someone else, some new clay demon might emerge, or Nadal or Djokovic might both get injured some year) so who they have as 3rd favorite is pretty much a moot point for me. I said the same thing when some **** justified all the Federer votes for winning RG this year by calling him 3rd favorite. Who is 3rd favorite really doesnt matter at that event, as the first two are chasms ahead of everyone else, as long as Nadal still has a pulse and plays that is.

    In the event Nadal doesnt play then the other guys can hope for some choke or freak loss for Djokovic, in which case it becomes the most wide open RG in decades, and atleast a half dozen men, Murray included, could win it then. Djokovic would be the 95% likely winner with Nadal out somewhow, but would also be in a pressure filled spot, as it would be so far his tournament to lose with Nadal out, which is a tough position to be in for a player at an event they havent won yet.
     
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    He won't, the clay season, if you have no chance at the FO (as Murray nearly does) and a big chance at winning Wimbledon (which Murray does), is a big hindrance. He wants to be as fresh as possible going into the clay season. Playing small tournaments which he might not even win aren't going to help him for the French Open or his longevity.
     
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  38. NadalAgassi

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    You think all those guys are safe to beat Murray. Pleeeese. Gasquet hasnt beaten him in a slam since atleast 2007 now, if he ever did that is. Del Potro hasnt beaten a top player in a slam since 2009, and is clearly not fit enough to do so, especialy on a slower court. He also has a godawful bad record vs Murray, which doesnt improve significantly on clay like it does for Ferrer. Almagro as already noted is a huge choking dog so is definitely 110% not going to close a match out vs a top 4 player like Murray at Roland Garros, even from a winning position.

    Eliminate Monaco, Almagro, and Gasquet from your list altogether, and move Del Potro to a maybe along with Wawrinka (being generous) and maybe that makes sense. Maybe be generous and give Gasquet a maybe, only since he seems to be making strides this year. RG is not his best slam or surface, but it is the only one he might ever beat Murray again at.
     
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    Would? OK Mystic Bawss. Any chance of the lottery numbers for Saturday?

    Some stonking names on that list of 'woulds'. You do realise that Gasquet is 0-2 versus Murray at Roland Garros? And Delpo is no certainty to beat him with his 1-5 H2H - I'd even stick my neck out and say that the GOAT wouldn't be a certainty either. Nole? maybe - but Murray was a dead netcord away from 2 MP against him the last time they played on clay, so again, some doubt.

    I'll give you Rafa.

    But hey - you usually haver a load of pysh so I don't see any reason why today should be any different.
     
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    i cant see why murray cant win..he isnt favourite but he could win..i think his results on clay so far have been way below his clay potential..lendl will help his sliding and he needs to not get agitated on clay and R E L A X.

    also wilander and chang won against all the odds at the french..it must have been those two's 1st clay titles seeing as they were 17yrs old at that time.

    it can happen. :)..He must dream the undreamable dream.:-|
     
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    And his thread will erupt in 5...
     
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    Never rule Murray out he's a world class player BUT it really does seem a strecth him winning the French when he has not even won a title on clay!
    Realistically it will be between Nadal and Djokovic! Ferrer and possibly Del Potro have more of a shot than Murray in my opinion not to forger Federer too!
     
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    Ferrer will beat Murray if they meet at Roland Garros. I'd even pick Almagro, or Gasquet over Murray at Roland Garros.

    Will be interesting to see what he has up his sleeves, or Lendl's!
     
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    in a 128 man tournament like the French Open, if you HONESTLY polled all the players and they weren't feeding you a line, I'm sure upwards of 100 of them would say there is no realistic chance at them winning the tournament.


    It might be higher.

    anyone outside the top 10 would honestly be pretty delusional to really think they could win.


    players dont' enter tournaments believing they can win, they enter to get paid
     
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    You forgot Raonic :twisted:
     
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    Almagro can win sets on clay vs Nadal and push Nadal to TBs at RG of all places. Del Potro is a good clay player and I feel his clay game is maturing as evidenced by pushing Roger to 5 on two occasions at RG. Gasquet is: a) about to break through and b) capable of doing the following to Murray at RG:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hGWkwaMWaDk

    You people make me out as some crazy guy. All I am "spouting" is the truth.
     
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    Raonic doesn't stand a chance. Isner might beat him in 4 or 5 though.
     
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