Murray Only Wins When The Top 3 Play Poorly

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  1. Josherer

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    Yes I know Murray makes the other player play poorly, that is one of the fantastic abilities of his game. I do respect Murray alot but I do find his matches even against the top guys quite boring.

    Check out the HD highlights of the Fed vs Djokovic US Open Semi Match: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YFdUvSdl9Ms

    Have you ever seen Murray play one of the top 3 and the QUALITY of tennis been this good?
     
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  2. THERAFA

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    That exhibition before the Aust Open between Murray and Nadal is the best I've seen the 2 of them play at the same time.
     
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  3. madmanfool

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    That's the thing about Murray. He makes the opponent play bad.
     
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  4. maximo

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    The top 3 don't play poorly, Murray's just too good.
     
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  5. 120mphBodyServe

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    What the hell are you talking about? Stop talking rubbish.
    Murray is a pretty solid, thoughtful all court player with a lot of variety and he mixes things up.. Plus he has a great serve...
    The only reason you find his matches boring is you expect a winner to come out of nowhere, which is great when you're on fire... But Murray plays tennis. He constructs points well and this is why he is so solid.
    How long have you been watching tennis? A year?
     
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  6. Josherer

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    No doubt Murray is an exceptional player and I do like him quite alot. I just haven't really seen him in a match against the top 3 where the quality has been really great. Like the Fed-Nadal Wimbledon even.

    I haven't seen the exibition match between Murray and Nadal before the AO though.

    I'll see if I can dig it up.
     
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  7. Josherer

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    Woah no need for the anger.

    I really do like the way he constructs points and always forces an error. Just haven't seen him in a match against one of the top 3 which was mind blowing.


    Although the he played exceptionally welll in the first set against DelPotro in Miami. Probably one of the best sets (highest quality) i've seen form Murray.
     
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  8. maximo

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    ^^ He rinsed Djokovic in Miami.
     
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  9. maximo

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    Double Post.
     
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  10. RFtennis

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    Murray only wins against top 3 when they are playing poorly.
    When Fed was on his game at USOPEN Murray got destroyed.
    I doubt if Murray got into a GS final with Fed or Rafa he would come out victorious.
     
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  11. Josherer

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    No doubt there. However, how did Djokovic play in Miami Finals compared to the US Open Semi?
     
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  12. Tony48

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    I have to disagree. Remember the Shanghai 2008 match? That was pretty epic.
     
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    Yes, I agree unfortunately.
     
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  14. chiru

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    I feel like you've answered your own question. That's really just the way he plays. roger is very much a rhythm player. He wants you to go big at him in a well constructed baseline rally. That really let's him get in a groove. If you recall back in the day, eveyron used to talk about how much roger hated dropshots, both using them and having them used against him, because he felt it destroyed "the rhythm" of the point.

    that's what murray does better than anyone is keep you from finding any sort of rhythm. I think he's the best in the world at this. It's a brilliant strategy. I think Pete Sampras used a variation on this by attacking. A net rusher prevents you from getting any sort of rhythm by a completely different method, which is namely by keeping the points short and of a hit or miss nature. Murray does this by crafting the points in such a way that he robs himself as well as the opponent of rhythm, but it's on his terms and he likes that. Essentially he "lowers" the quality of the tennis (if you can call it lowering) to a point where even though he's more uncomfrotable, he's less uncomfortable than his opponent, so he comes out on top.
     
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    Murray is a beast. Fed fanboys just don't respect other top players.
     
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  17. cknobman

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    I can agree to an extent (especially Grand Slams).

    I will say that Murrays game is built around forcing his opponents out of their comfort zone which causes them to play poorly.
     
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  18. batz

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    Those are some pretty serious conclusions you're reaching there on a sample of 1.

    So Murray can beat Rafa in a slam semi but not a final? Yeah, that makes sense.
     
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  19. Chris De Tone

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    I always respect everyone's opinion on these boards, but I am tired of hearing the age old excuse..."well, he/she only won because the other person played poorly". This excuse is used at all levels of the game. Just play the game and the result is the result. I am sure that you all know that when you play, very rarely is everything working perfectly. So, when it does go perfectly...that's the aberration, not poor play. Remember, there is another player (or 2 if doubles) trying to stop you from doing what you do best. I know that the top players are capable of playing at ridiculous levels. Heck, even I occasionally get a couple aces a game and can't miss...but I'd hate to bet my house on it happening all the time. As far as the pros go...these guys are all great. But they have the ability to force one another out of the perfect zone more often than not. You can dream of playing well all of the time, but that's all it is...a dream. This is my lebgthy version of saying..."give Murray some credit".
     
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  20. Chris De Tone

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    See, I mispelled "lengthy"...can't be at your best all the time!
     
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    I stated above that I respect Murray alot.

    BTW he is one of my favourite players and I admire him alot.

    Might want to actually read a thread before you post
     
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  22. vtmike

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    Theres no question Murray is giving indicators that he might do well in Slams...but as we all know GS is a whole different animal and Nadal & Fed raise their level during grand slams ...and he has not proved he can beat them at the big stages yet
     
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    It is unfair for Murray to say that he only wins when the top three players play poorly.....he has all the tools to be someday be the no.1, just needs time....I think bigger things are coming for him, lets see how he fares for the rest of the season....
     
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  24. Clydey2times

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    Uh, yes. Murray-Nadal AO 07, Murray-Nadal USO 08, Murray-Federer TMC 08.

    The quality of each far surpasses the Nole-Fed semi.
     
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  25. All-rounder

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    We also remeber how murray choked at 07 AO when 2 sets to 1 up against nadal
     
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  26. Clydey2times

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    US Open semi is a pretty big stage.
     
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  27. Clydey2times

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    That was then, this is now. Doesn't change the fact that Murray played some of the best all court tennis I've ever seen for 2 sets.
     
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  28. Cesc Fabregas

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    He still choked.
     
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    5-2 H2H is not about playing poorly anymore. Getting owned 5 times means you're an inferior player, and playing poorly is no longer an option.
     
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  30. Cesc Fabregas

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    Who are you talking about?
     
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    Allow me to correct it. It is in fact 6-2! :lol:
     
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    Saying Murray will win a Grand Slam in the future is more plausible at least than saying Arsenal will win trophies in the future because they've got the best set of bottling 12 year olds.
     
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  33. Cesc Fabregas

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    I agree with you Nadal is clearly is superior player than Murray, Nadal can beat Murray 6-1 6-2 on Murray's best surface whilst Murray will never take a set off Nadal on clay.
     
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  34. helloworld

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    Uh... I was talking about Federer and Murray actually...
     
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  35. Cesc Fabregas

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    I will come back to this when we win the FA Cup and Me>Graeme Smith.
     
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  36. All-rounder

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    or a game let alone.....its possible
     
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  37. Benefactor

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    And why the hell did you start this thread exactly? Your title implies that you think he only wins when it's given to him.
     
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  38. Cesc Fabregas

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    Well then I disagree Federer and Murray's head to head would differently if they played more on grass and clay where Federer is far better.
     
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    I doubt you tear up the results of failed medical tests and play anyway so LOLNO.
     
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  40. Cesc Fabregas

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    Graeme Smith is hardly in shape he's fat.
     
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  41. All-rounder

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    true all there meetings have been on hardcourts surprisingly and most best of 3 where there only best of 5 was us open where Federer won
     
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  42. tacou

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    hog wash, i say
     
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  43. SempreSami

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    Fat people can average over 50 in Tests.
     
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  44. Cesc Fabregas

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    Yeah he's an excellent player not as good as Pietersen, Tendulkar or Ponting though.
     
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  45. SempreSami

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    Nope, he's better than all three combined.
     
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  46. Clydey2times

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    Federer is better on clay than he is on hard? Wow, you'll just make up any old nonsense.
     
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  47. Benefactor

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    You guys need to stop talking about soccer and cricket and get your minds back on real sports.
     
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  48. SempreSami

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    I take offence to that, you try fending off a hard ball coming at you at 80mph with a narrow plank.
     
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  49. Cesc Fabregas

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    No but Murray is far better on hard than on clay and Federer is a very good on clay and Murray is very poor.
     
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  50. rubberduckies

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    Murray in good form is able to consistently beat Federer at his best.
    He has also beaten Djokovic when he was playing at a high level.
    The only one left is Nadal. Murray hasn't yet beaten a good Nadal, but he certainly has the game to do so.
     
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