Murray shot variety

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  1. newyorkstadium

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  2. Russeljones

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    He's one of the most obvious pushers on circuit. I am sorry you can't see it.
     
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  3. Warmaster

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    No he's not, I am sorry you can't see it.
     
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    I don't know who else in the mens game and can predict an opponent as well as Murray, that video shows how much variety the guy has.
     
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    Murray does have a great level of variety and shotmaking no question. However, Murray is very much part of the new breed of tennis player along with Djokovic, probably reflecting the types of medium paced courts tennis is played on at this moment in time.

    Since the mid 1980s (Ivan Lendl), the majority of players (not all but most) and especially those who have been number 1 for extended periods, used the Ivan Lendl formula. That formula is to have a great forehand and good movement. And the specific tactic of covering the backhand side of the court to dictate play with the inside out forehand crosscourt whenever possible, and the inside in (down the line forehand) from the backhand corner as an "up the sleeve" shot. From Lendl, through Courier, then Sampras, Agassi, through Federer and Nadal have adopted this tactic. Other players like Moya also adopted it.

    Although ironically Murray is now coached by Lendl, Murray doesn't have the mentality to play like this or probably the forehand to pull this type of tactic off on a consistent basis. On that basis Murray may get to number 1, but he appears not to have a game that will dominate for most of the season with the game he currently has unless he continues to improve his aggresive style and makes his forehand a bigger weapon from all areas of the court. Djokovic has manged to make his forehand more offensive whilst still relying on his trusted backhand.

    Murray has a bigger game than Hewitt but at this moment in time is in the Hewitt category of grand slam winners.
     
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  6. heninfan99

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    No, he's a junk baller. Garbage men will incorporate pushing here & there. IMHO, he plays better though when he goes for his shots a bit and I think Lendl has him doing this.

    Has he played Tomic? That would be a junk fest.
     
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    MAY be he has the ability but he is a glorious pusher
     
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    Murray has lots of variety, he has added onto his resume over time. I also wouldn't call anybody on the professional tour a "pusher"; he's a counterpuncher ala Hewitt (except better than Hewitt by a great deal).
     
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    I think Hewitt would weep in defeat at the sight of Murray's trophy cabinet sporting no less than 1 US open trophy.
     
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    Yes. He beat him in the semis of Brisbane last year 3 and 2.
     
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    He's more than just a pusher and, if you were being truly objective, you would have recognised this by now.
     
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    He is the best pusher in the world bar-none. He has two different game styles which is kind of annoying though, although as said with Lendl he is much better than he used to be. He can go entire matches now with aggression and then play like Roddick for an entire match.
     
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    I just said he is a pusher. I never said he doesn't have variety! He mostly varies his "I am in agony" facial expressions ;)
     
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    That's funny because I always think his facial expressions are the least varied of the lot! :)
     
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    I was talking talent wise, nobody will deny that Murray is more talented than Hewitt. Hewitt has just achieved more (as of now).
     
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    he can do that but he does it not often enough. sometimes he hits blistering winners or great serve and volley attacks but then he will fall back into pushing for several games.

    I think he improved that under lendl though.
     
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    Do that against Federer when it matters and we'll talk.

    No offence but showing variety against a qualifier isn't something to brag about.
     
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    Was courtside at Olympics for several Murray matches and he hit a very heavy ball, deep and put everyone on the backfoot. Not much anyone could do about it. Very impressive play.
     
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    Oh God... the deluded Murrayturds are at it again. Muzza is a descent player at best.

    Deal with it. 8)
     
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    Djokovic is an untalented mug who lucked out 5 slams, deal with it. 8)
     
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  21. PrinceMoron

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    No, Nadal is on the descent. Murray is on the up.
     
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    I haven't been in here in a long while and it saddens me to find that many decent posters are still responding to the likes of Russeljones and TheF1Bob.

    Don't you guys realise these two are playing you all? :lol:

    Just ignore them.
     
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    Well, where is the fun in that? Of course we know they are trolls. ;)
     
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  24. NEW_BORN

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    Murray wins a lot of matches by imposing his physicality on lesser men.
    His tree trunk legs are matched by none other than serena williams.
     
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    I've never understood this contention. Murray is a carbon clone grinder. His 'tremendous variety' consists in the fact that he can push on both forehand and backhand wings, even in windy conditions. See Federer, Roger, for true variety.
     
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    It's called "variaton of pace".

    Sampras was a master of it ~ I remember a commentator pointing it out during his 1990 Grand Slam Cup demolition of Brad Gilbert; keep hitting it back passively until you get an opportunity, then step up, take the ball early and flat, and catch out your opponent with the change-up.

    Pete was more assertive about it than Murray, but then the Scot is much more of a baseliner by nature. I still see him winning plenty of rallies by suddenly injecting pace into a rally, forcing an error from the opponent or hitting an outright winner. It's a far more effective way to success than the Gonzalez/Verdasco school of "thump it as hard as you can every single shot".

    He's also one of the better exponents of the lob in the last ten years, though not as good as someone like Hewitt. Plenty of variety for me, especially since the Lendl-ized Murray of 2012 became a bit more aggressive.


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    Isner has a variety of different deliveries he can hit serves 148 mph but he also can take a bit of pace off and fire in a kicker which kicks up like a mule this makes it so hard to return his serve and keeps even the elite players on their toes!
     
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  29. Clay lover

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    Murray is a good player with all the shots. Pity he has weak points in his forehand and 2nd serve, two VERY important shots in the pro game. Doesn't help that his 1st serve pct isn't very high, either.
     
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