Murray splitting with Gilbert?

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  1. PED

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    I just saw this in the Times tonight. I like Murray but wouldn't want to work with him;)

    Andy Murray is ready to part company with Brad Gilbert after falling out with the high-profile American coach who helped to build the 20-year-old Scot into one of the finest tennis players in the world.

    When Gilbert was appointed in the summer of 2006, Murray was ranked No 36 in the world, had introduced himself as one of the brightest young talents and was on the threshold of turning potential into prizes. He believed that the finishing touch was to bring in the man who had driven Andre Agassi and Andy Roddick to the summit of the game and who was acknowledged as one of the sharpest of tennis brains.

    Murray completes this year as world No 11, but the pair have not been the happiest of co-travellers for a while. There were strong rumours that they would separate before the US Open at the end of August, when the Scot was trying to piece his year together after the wrist injury that caused him to miss three months and two grand-slam tournaments.

    Theirs has been a tempestuous relationship and, at the end of a period in which Murray was within one victory in Paris this month of qualifying for the Masters Cup in Shanghai, it is believed that they prefer to go their separate ways.
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    Gilbert, 46, normally a verbose individual, was reluctant to discuss his situation last night. “I don’t really want to talk about it,” he said from California. “I haven’t spoken to the LTA [Lawn Tennis Association].” Murray is believed to be on holiday in the United States, but not on the West Coast.

    Murray has never been shy of making decisions that he feels will best benefit his career. On his emergence as a teenager with more natural talent than Great Britain had produced for years, he asked Mark Petchey, the former Davis Cup player, to become his coach, but the pair parted company in April last year when Murray heightened his aims.

    This decision does, however, leave the LTA in a deep dilemma. The national governing body had appointed Gilbert and was happy to indulge him his wages of about £750,000 a year to make sure that Murray was content. In the weeks he was not overseeing the Scot’s career, Gilbert would help the coaching staff at the National Tennis Centre.

    The contract was regarded as one of the most remarkable agreed in world tennis - that an association with a remit to build and sustain the sport would pay the wages of a coach who was ostensibly working with one player. Gilbert readily accepted the deal; the rest of the sport looked on in wonder. He brought in Mark Grabow, a fitness coach with the Golden State Warriors basketball team, to build up Murray’s strength.

    Together they have worked at only three grand-slam tournaments, the US Opens of 2006 and 2007 and the Australian Open in January, when Murray extended Rafael Nadal, the Spanish world No 2, to five sets in a wondrous fourth-round encounter, after which Gilbert was reduced to tears, so remarkable was his charge’s effort. They would have spent more grand-slam tournaments together but for the wrist injury suffered in Hamburg in May, which forced Murray to miss the French Open and Wimbledon this year.

    There is no doubt that, for as long as they have worked together, the partnership has been beneficial. Murray’s ranking soared, Gilbert was one of the best scouting coaches of his ilk and his reputation will not have suffered one jot from the prospective parting of the ways.
     
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  2. Ken B.

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    This seems to be more on Murray than Gilbert. Until this last month push, Murray has been quiet since San Jose.

    And yeah, Murray does seem like someone who just does what he wants. I can't take him seriously as a player. I can just imagine Gilbert trying to get him involved during practices. When he comes back to commentating, he should have some good stories.

    And Murray needs a haircut. ;)
     
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  3. CAM178

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    BG must be a great coach, but I have heard that his personality can be a bit much. I heard a story that when Andre and BG went to a restaurant once, that when they were leaving that BG was really rude to the valet. Rumor has it that Agassi pulled him aside and reminded BG that he was getting the star treatment because of Andre, not BG.

    Either way, though, I think Roddick set the bar with how to handle coaches in a classy manner. When he separated with Benhabiles, he flew to Benhabiles to 'fire' him. He didn't just call him and then issue a PR. That was very classy, IMO. Handled man to man, the way it ought to be.
     
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  4. Federer's pet goat Leanne

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    It's a shame they are splitting up. I thought Murray was ready to become one of the best players in the game, but we'll have to see what he can do without gilbert.
     
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  5. JW10S

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    I've heard from a couple of his sponsors that Murray is very, very, difficult to work with.
     
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    Maybe he'll try and get Paul Annacone.
     
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    This sounds very plausible. Anybody that yells and curses at their box, with children within earshot, just spells class to me. Murray is extremely immature on the court. Unfortunately for him, that is all the public gets to see. It's really difficult to listen to his interviews after he has behaved so poorly on the court. At least with Marat, he is ridiculously funny, so you can't help but laugh at him. I still laugh about his 'guy is sitting over there with 2 chicks on arms, man!' at the AO.
     
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    Terrific, Wonderful news. Now Gilbert is free to work with the real american talent, Sam Querry. This is perfect. Gilbert should be with Querry starting at the Aussie open.
     
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    I lolled! (10 characters)
     
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    Nadal should get Gilbert as his coach. :D
     
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  11. tenniscrazed

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    Kei Nishikori, trains @ Bolletierri from Japan, right age for Gilbert and disciplined.
     
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  12. SoBad

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    I am not surprised to hear this news, because to me it seems that both Murray and Gilbert are "thinking" guys. So perhaps Murray benefited from their brief period of working together and exchanging ideas, but not surprisingly finds the relationship entering the zone of diminishing returns. A mindless physical baseline basher would benefit most from a long-term coaching relationship with Gilbert, I think.
     
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    Gilbert + Marat? What do you think of that combination?
     
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    Actually that would not work at all, I think. Like Murray, Safin has a brain and all-court game, but in addition to that he also has a heart and a soul. Gilbert, on the contrary, is ideal for a mindless phony baseline basher.
     
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    Yeah, Roddick should have definitely kept Gilbert as his coach.
     
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    ^^ Hahahahahaha... I really shouldn't be laughing, because Roddick is America's No.1 player. Hahahahahahahahahahaha....
     
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    Wow, you don't sound like you've ever read BG's books. You might want to do that before using adjectives like mindless and phony. BG's got a phenomenal tennis brain. His analysis is unreal.

    If you want proof, look at Agassi's winning the FO after being 2 sets down. BG was responsible for that, and Agassi has openly admitted it. That's why right after he won that FO, he looked up at BG and started crying.
     
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    ^^ I don't think you read what I posted before you posted what you posted.
     
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    Wow Im shocked. After how well murray has played lately. I think this is once again another really dumb decision made by a guy named andy. Murray was playing so well under gilberts tutelage, probably the best tennis of his life. I think hes too impatient. I believe that if he stuck with gilbert he would be in the top five guaranteed next season. I would love to see him and Andy Roddick reunite. Or maybe even him coaching federer would be insane. I think we should all write to gilbert to ask him to coach any of the american players. Young, Isner querrey or roddick. Anything to get american tennis back on track.
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    CAM I think you missed it - SoBad was stating that BG is an ideal coach FOR phony baseline bashers, not that BG is indeed mindless or phony.

    Of course, I think this may be going down a trollish route of SoBad actually inferring that Andre is indeed a Mindless / Phony Baseline Basher, but that's neither here nor there, and in fact, if I'm right, it's a shame. For the first time in a long time I actually agreed with a SoBad point, the point being that Gilbert is (especially now) indeed an ideal coach for players who are perhaps willing to be a little less independent.
     
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    ^^ Yes, aside from the Agassi trolling, OO explains the misunderstanding well. I was basically saying that Murray + Gilbert is too many cooks in the kitchen, because they both have brains.
     
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    It would be nice to see Safin get his act together, but Gilbert would probably drive him insane. With Safin it is about motivation and regaining his interest in tennis.
     
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    This isn't really a surprise. It takes a special kind of personality to tolerate Brad Gilbert day in and day out, I suppose. Neither of the two Andy's seems to be that type of personality.
     
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  25. Mike Bulgakov

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    Gilbert had a good coaching relationship with Bovina and Golovin; maybe he should work with a WTA player. Then again, Bovina and Golovin only worked with Gilbert for a few weeks before they could no longer stand talking about the Oakland Raiders with Brad.

    Insiders say Golovin broke off relations with Gilbert after he insisted she play her matches in an Oakland Raiders cheerleader's uniform.
     
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  26. origmarm

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    Agreed, I'm surprised it lasted as long as it did. Andy has a reputation on the British tennis circuit as a difficult individual, not sure whether its warranted or not but that is the rep.

    Nice avatar by the way, met the Djoker did we? :)
     
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    Yeah, I've heard that he can be difficult too, even more so when his mother is around. Who knows if it's true, if it's a complete myth, or if it's true sometimes.

    Yes, I was introduced to Nole last summer in Cincy. Seems like a good guy. :)
     
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    I can't help but think that Murray has bailed on Gilbert too soon. He has not played for most of this year. It's been no time at all since he hired him.

    One thing I can understand is that Andy evidently wants independence from the LTA deal so he can set up his own team.

    However I get the feeling that Andy is a difficult character who will forever think he knows best - and suffer because of it. He will be the kind of player that will go from one coach to another never really establishing a real path for improvement. Safinesque.

    I hope I am wrong. We will see next year.
     
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    This really has come as no surprise to me. When Andy hurt his wrist earlier this year, one could read the looks on the faces of both, the emotions of each, and that it was obvious the relationship was extremely strained, if not already over. What I came away with that day is that Andy considers himself an prima donna and Brad does not cater to such individuals.
     
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    When you take an arrogant player (Roddick, Murray) and put him with an even more arrogant coach, I am surprised it lasted as long as it did.
     
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    I heard rumors that the reason for the wrist injury was that gilbert wanted to add more lead on murrays racquet in order to have more penetrating strokes during the clay season. This added lead put strain on the wrist and messed it up pretty bad. Anyone else hear about this.
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  32. Ian Paisley

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    Gilbert was a pain in the arse. Andy will find a much better coach.
     
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    Did you see any of Andy's matches at the AO? He was playing brilliant strategic tennis, no doubt partly (mostly?) thanks to Gilbert. He may be a pain in the arse, but in terms of "much better coaches", well I'm not sure there's too many "much better" out there...
     
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    Well I've met his brother Jamie who is great, just really cheery or at least was on the day and just appeared to be really loving life right now. I never get that feeling from Andy, always seems to be having a bad day.

    Yeah he always seems to be nice to people and relaxed. You get the impression that he doesn't take it all too seriously also which is a refreshing change. That and I don't get the impression he think he's above everyone because he plays tennis if you know what I mean
     
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    Looking at the OP, I hadnt heard before that Gilbert cried after the Nadal Murray match AO, thats very surprising
     
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  36. Mike Bulgakov

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    Andy was livid that day and seemed to yell obscenities in Brad's direction. I had never seen a player so angry with his coach in public.
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    Gilbert's current business venture is ironic.
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  37. KoreanHB

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    has anyone tried the wrist assist? haha is it worth it
     
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    Haven't tried it, but look forward to reading about it in the book he's gonna publish soon "Making Money the Ugly Way".
     
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