Murray wants umpires to crack down on go-slow players

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  1. Omega_7000

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    Andy Murray hopes that officials will call time on slow play after the Scot was edged out of a semifinal place at this weekend's World Tour Finals on a statistical quirk.

    The world No. 4 had to watch as Roger Federer lost in three sets in a late-night match to Juan Martin Del Potro, with the Swiss and the Argentine going through to the last four on the tennis equivalent of goal difference - winning game percentage.

    But Murray has other issues with the new-look event, moved from Shanghai after a successful four-year run in Asia.

    He'd like umpires to crack down on time-wasting, which he feels he may have experienced in his last group match, a win over Spain's Fernando Verdasco. He said that his opponent was taking his sweet time to return after changeovers.

    "For me, if it's 25 seconds that you get between the points, I think some of the tournaments it's 20 seconds, and if you're over a couple of times, there has to be a warning," he said.

    "When the umpire calls time, you should be out of your chair. That's it. That's the reason why they have those time limits.

    "If the umpire calls time and your opponent is allowed to sit there for an extra 15 seconds, then I just don't think you should be allowed to do that."

    http://www.tennistalk.com/en/news/20091127/Murray_wants_umpires_to_crack_down_on_go-slow_players
     
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    if the player sits there for the extra time after the umpire called time, and runs to the baseline in time to receive the serve from the player who got up when the umpire called time, without any delay, then it is fine to me
     
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    I think when the umpire says "time"
    they should jump
     
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    If the rules were enforced, Nadal, Djokovic, Verdasco etc, would be getting warnings and point penalties every match. In the Verdasco- Federer match, the umpire told Verdasco he had to play at Federer's pace, but he didn't issue a warning.THESE RULES NEED TO BE ENFORCED.
     
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    Agreed. That is always the counterargument from the time wasters...The umpire did not say anything. Hard to understand why the umpires cannot stand up to them. Fear?
     
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    murray is just pissy because he got kicked from the semi's
     
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    When the umpire says "time" on a changeover, that's 30 seconds before the end of the time for the changeover, so you *can* sit for another 15 seconds, Murray.
     
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    I never thought I would say this but....


    Bravo Murray!!!!!


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  9. settolove

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    Murray's got a point. If there are rules then they should be enforced.
     
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    This is like the rule against the goalie in soccer when he is up against a penalty kick. 90% of the time it is violated, but they never call it.
     
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    lol.

    Me too. It's the first time I agree with something Murray has said. Who cares if enforcing the rules means that Nadal, Djokovic, etc. will get warnings or point penalties. The part of the game so they have to deal with it.
     
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    He would never said anything if he qualifies for the semi. The guy always have an excuse for everything when he's pissed. He was a sore loser after Fed beat him, and now complaining about the rule.
     
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    I don't care a bit why he said it.All I care is that he DID say it and it's what everyone here is complaining about and been thinking but not many pros have dared to say anything about it.
    And if it takes Murray to lose for something to be done,all the better!!
     
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    He is correct. The chair needs to take control of the court and enforce the rules, thats their job.
     
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    "i do agree with the muzzette".
     
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    This is really all there is to say about this matter. I'm glad Murray spoke up about it, hope it will have any results, but I remember very well that Federer has complained about it in the past as well - to no avail.

    If rules aren't enforced, might as well get rid of them alltogether, but I'm sure that if THAT happens, players will be complaining about having to play until 02:00 AM... ;)
     
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    I think that if they don't enforcing it soon, it'll get worse and worse. They need to start giving some warnings. Kids who watch this will think it's cool to do that and will start doing it even worse etc. until there's no way back for them.

    It's also a disadvantage to physically strong players. I think Soderling once said that it's so tough physically to play Roger, because he barely takes 10 seconds between two points.
     
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    Nadal and Novak is by far are the worse on the tour for abusing time. Why didn't he complain back then? Now he's taking shot at Verdasco just b/c he wasn't able to finish him off early than he want(which he could of qualify for the semi.). Shame on him!
     
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    He said it before he got knocked out.
     
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    Whatever Murray...

    how about the umpires enforce a -- no just pushing the ball boring tennis rule --

    He's just sour because he lost!

    Some of the so called rules in tennis are so arbiturary and random, as long as the players are not taking so much time that it disrupts play it should be fine.
     
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    better later than never!!It's nto easy to say this for Nadal and Novak the superstars that everyone adores and the members of the council.It is much easier to say it though against Verdasco,let's be real.

    No Shame on Murray.Shame on those who delay and break the rules!!!!
     
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    If one existed, I'm sure they'd enforce it.

    to repeat, Murray said this before he was eliminated. He also complained to the umpire during the match about JMDP's timewasting in their Miami match.
     
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    And if it's bothering the other player, then it is disrupting play. Plus, he's said this after his match with Verdasco, which he won

    I agree with Murray too. Players can't take extra time because otherwise, it could be used to get an unfair advantage against their opponents by having more time to recover and/or annoy your opponents and breaking their concentration. Then if the other player does it back, then the play would move alot more slowly
     
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    Whatever hater. Murray's right, and I'd bet he'd wipe his *** with you if you ever met him, on the court or off of it. ;)
     
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    My point is Verdasco doesn't deserve that cheap shot from Murray. Blaming on him just b/c Murray fell short for the semi. is uncalled for.
    Murray played the entire year didn't complain and now it comes down to this last match. Go figure.
    Obviously, Murray is just pissed off for not making the semi., not b/c of the timing issue. He could careless about it if he qualify.
     
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    If Nando did it,why not???It's not the only match he had complained about this.It's nothing personal.And it surely is NOT only Nando who does it.
     
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    I'm pretty sure Murray made his comments after his match was over, and BEFORE the Fed/JMDP match was over, and before he knew he was eliminated.

    So it wasn't because he was POed about being eliminated.
     
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    You fail. Time limits are "so called rules" and they are "arbitrary and random"? Maybe they should take the shot clock out of basketball too eh?

    Who are you to decide if it disrupts play? Andy Murray is actually out there playing these time-wasters and he seems to think it is an issue.

    Watching Nadal play is like being behind the old lady with her coupon book in the check out line at the store. He takes time to towel off his entire body between every point it seems. He doesn't check the balls while he is walking up to the line, he does it when he gets there. Then his service routine is slow as hell. Maybe I could forgive him if he unleashed this bomb of a first serve, but he steps up there and spins one in that would make some WTA players blush.
     
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    You know, I don't think nadal and Djoker fans should defend their boy desperately. If they were forced to play a little faster, they would adjust with ease and find out they CAN play faster. They would get called a few times, but within a month they would have adjusted I'm sure.

    It's not a problem if both players take 5 seconds too long after an exhausting rally in the fifth set, but if your routine is already over 25 seconds, something's wrong.
     
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    I think the whole game needs speeding up. I say allow a quick drink while changing ends but only a sit down at the end of a set (make it say 4 or 5 mins to make up a bit). Definitely call an end to the fifty bounces before serving thing (no names!).
     
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    According to the link from the OP:
    http://www.tennistalk.com/en/news/20...o-slow_players

    The article didn't say anything about Murray complaining BEFORE Fed/DP match.
     
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    I'm assuming it's from his post match interview, in which case it would be from before the Fed/JMDP match had concluded.
     
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    This has nothing to do with Nadal personally.No need to bring him into this.
     
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    I agree. Nadal and Djokovic aren't the only time abusers, there are many lower ranked players who take a lot of time as well. I think it's a cheap shot to say something about Verdasco though.

    *If the umpire said Verdasco should play to Fed's pace, I think that's wrong too. I've never heard of an umpire saying something that ridiculous.
     
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    In fact it was from the post match interview.

    http://www.barclaysatpworldtourfinals.com/News/Tennis/2009/Interviews/Finals-Thursday-Murray.aspx
     
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    Assuming is not good enough. I'm not saying he said it after Fed/DP's match, but you need proof that he said after he beat Verdasco. From that article, it sure sound like he said it after finding out that he was eliminated.
     
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    I just gave you proof. :lol:
     
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    Receiver should play at server's pace.No matter if server is Karlovic or Fillipo Volandri.



    I don't get all the fuss about the timing of this interview.What matters is that what he says is true and repeatedly happens in the tour.
     
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    Murry's point is an excellent one and needs to be enforced. The time adds up over an entire match too. Matches are far too long and boring these days with all of the baseliners and counterpunchers.
     
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    Nadal and Djokovic are not the only players who waste time.

    If Murray wants the 25-sec rule to be enforced all the time, then he himself would get at least 20 warnings in a match.
     
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    I think it's petty and unfair to say it about Verdasco. I also think the reason the umpires aren't sitting there counting seconds is because it's silly. As far as I know, Serena and Venus are the only ones on tour who follow the rules such as not stopping between changeovers, et al. Everyone else on the tour wipes off, studies their balls before serving, go and talk to the wall, take time to scream, etc. Just my opinion.
     
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    Very true, another reason why his comment comes off as illogical to me.
     
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    Oh my big deal! :lol: 5-10 seconds doesn't make a big difference.
     
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    There is no doubt that Nadal is one of the main offenders, and I have the right to state my opinion do I not?
     
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    They should simply install cattle prods in the chairs so that when time is up players who don't get up right away will get zapped in the arse.
     
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    I dont think its that big of a deal
     
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    A Rules is a Rules. Why don't they keep playing when a point is over and just ignored the umpire or lines person call.

    When a chair umpire call 15/40. I wish I could walk over and tell him, I want 40/15
     
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    If Verdasco did it it's not unfair and petty.It is fair and justified.

    Also a lot of rules can be called "silly" .The whole sport of tennis is silly to some.

    The rules are rules and since they're the rules they should be followed.The umps have NO excuse whatsoever for not following them.
     
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    yes who said you didn't??But when you try to turn this into a flamewar then people also have the right to critisize you.
     
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