Discussion in 'General Pro Player Discussion' started by Omega_7000, Nov 27, 2009.
I want the umpire to crack down on Murray for tapping his racquet to distract his opponents.
He won 2 n lost 1 so he knew he wasn't guaranteed a place... sour grapes!
He's always had something to say when things aren't going his way.
I want the umpires to crack down on cheering unforced errors and double faults. STFU Murray, you're more annoying than the time wasters
unbelievable. murray actually got one right...
Every player does that, they just don't get as much notice as Murray. Maybe b/c his voice is so annoying. I can't count how many times JMDP (who I like, don't get me wrong) was cheering Soderlings UEs yesterday. Yet no one complains.
Its not the cheering, but the double standards. Neither are classy but don't do one than b!tch about the other
They should call him Officer Murray.
Yeah but cheering UEs isn't against the rules. Time violations are. I don't see how there's a double standard.
You're getting tired of Fed following the rules :shock: ?
I'm sorry, but he's right, and Murray is too. I'm far from a Nadal hater but watching his service games is a pain for me (because of the time he takes before each serve). Heck, sometime I wish he would get the 1st one in just so I don't have to watch the whole service routine again. Same for Djokovic. Del Potro and Verdasco take their time as well, but not as much as the former too.
Federer is right 100% about this issue, and if you think your opponent is abusing the rules you have every right to complain about it to the umpire.
Notice Rafa doesn’t adjust his socks anymore, but still that doesn’t drastically shorten time between point.
that's because you're a clueless muppet who only watches tennis to fantasize about rafito.
now go light a candle at your nadal shrine.
I don't like Murray but I agree with this.
I disagree, Murray has a pretty fast service motion. Not many ball bounces and then a quick serve.
Rafa, on the other hand, bounces the ball with the racquet about 5-7 times, then does his "thing" (you know what I'm talking about), then touches his hair a bit and then bounces the ball with the hand (about 10 times). After that his service motion is extremley slow.
Djokovic is also highly slow, I counted a few times where he bounced the ball 19 (!!!) times. That's crazy.
What I like about Fed is even when he's losing/playing badly he's still bouncing the ball exactly 3 times and serves right after. He's probably the fastest server on tour.
And since I really respect your opinion...
I think the notion of the time "violations":
a. is ridiculous
b. making a big deal about it even more ridiculous.
c. taking one thing and blowing it out of proportion silly.
d. saying, "I don't do this, therefore..." insane.
Personally, I don't like the way Fed calls for challenges on clearly in balls, so the point has to be replayed and the player gets robbed of a winner. It happens way to often, imo.
People are free to disagree but that's my stance on the issue.
I don't get what you're saying here. If he challenges it and it's in, wouldn't it still be a winner and no point replay?
No muppet. It's not opinion, it's fact.
Since you've never heard an umpire saying that the receiver should play at the server's pace, you are ***in fact***, clueless.
What are you talking about?
I have to agree with Andy Murray. The umpires need to do a better job, so self-righteous pri*cks like Federer can stop trying to do their job for them.
Not just the time wasting, there are other things that go unnoticed as well. For a start, I think they should fix the ACP and install a real ATP.
Yeah I really don't get that one also. Surely if the ball is in and it's a winner they don't replay the point?? Or am I missing something?
When the ball looks like it's about to go out, but somehow miraculously hooks in and catches the line, a player can easily manipulate the situation by challenging an in ball that he may could have reached, but because of wrong footing, or slow reactions doesn't try to. In this case they replay the point, but the ball was in the whole time.
The in ball is then replayed and at that point the original pro who's ball was in can get rooked.
no...................you seem to be confused and trying to confuse the rest of us.
if the ball is called out, but looked like it was in, the receiving player will not challenge that.
if the ball that looked like it was going out but then hooks in and is thus called in, the receiving player may challenge the in call. (but he/she must stop play). If the call stands (the ball is in), the receiving player losses the point.
there is no replay..
an example of a replay point would be something like:
ball gets called out, while receiving player is near the ball. The player that hit the ball then challenges the call. The review shows that the ball is in and thus the call was wrong. THEN the umpire has to make a decision: was the receiving player in a position to return the ball had the out call not been made? If the receiving player was in position, then and only then is the point is replayed.
This is my understanding also. It's essentially very difficult to manipulate to any advantage.
Yup that's how I understand it too...
LOL. Ok chief. Another great one from TheTruth!!
There, fixed it for ya !
You have noticed this only now? Rafa hasn't done this for about 2 years or so. It's actually the only OCD habit he has been able to quit.
Umpires don't have the guts to call out players who take too much time because it's actually quite a widespred phenomenon nowadays and the main offenders are rafa and djoker. Taking 10-15 seconds too long should bother the receiver but oddly enough I rarely saw other players being offended by rafa's and djoker's long serve motions. I suspect the main reason is that the receivers benefit as well by having more time to rest up,especially since today there are longer rallies and at higher speed than before. And you have to remember that rafa and djoker were doing this way before they were stars so I don't think it's favoritism on the umpires part.
I know what I would do: I would ENCOURAGE umpires to enforce the rules and only allow toweling once per game. That bit takes at least 5-10 seconds(just by going to get the towel,toweling off and coming back to serve) and they could wipe the sweat of the handle/palms on their shirts or pants or use that towel just once per game,like I said before. They don't need to towel off on every point.
Regarding the cheering UE's thing: I used to think like this too but when 2/3 of tennis players today do this it doesn't seem like a big issue anymore. When even the knowledgeable tennis crowds of WB cheered Wawrinka's UE's against Murray,you know that this gentleman's rule has become redundant.
I'm sorry, but it looks like you think the time violations are ridiculous because your favorite player is the biggest abuser of the rules (and I'm not a Nadal hater). Those violations disturb the pace of the match, and as a result the focus of the opponent. Quite frankly, if it disturbs the viewer (and it does me), then I can understand how it annoys the players even more.
When I play tennis I can't stand even a 10 seconds delay.
I have no idea what you're talking about here. When it's in, the ball is called a winner and they move on to the next point. No case here whatsoever.
All the players challenge shots like that, including Rafa. Again, you are trying to pick on Federer for no real reason this time. Federer is not perfect, but in terms of obeying the rules, he's very close to perfect. He's the fastest player on tour in terms of serving, if he challenges he doesn't take his sweet time to decide, he doesn't disturb his opponent.
Had Federer been the time waster and Nadal the fast one, I'm sure you'd be having complaints about Federer's awful time wasting habbits.
Ok this is one of the worst posts I've ever seen from you Truth. Your posts normally make sense, but this one doesn't at all. Could you please explain what you are trying to say???
No, I think it's a stupid rule, (the time violations) because it's been going on forever. The idea of time-wasting started with Federer complaining about Nadal and Djoker. Now some people will say Agassi started it, but I don't recall Agassi going into pressers repeatedly sowing that particular seed. And, seeing as this is how these two (Djoker and Nadal) have always played, even before becoming stars and it wasn't a problem then, it amazes me that it's such a travesty now. At the same time, let's only look at these two players. Everyone else on the tour gets a free pass. That's where the problem lies, not in him being my favorite player. He is, and I don't apologize for that, but it's the double standards that run rampant throughout.
Another example is, Fed complained about del Potro taking too much time at the Open, and then turned around and took waaay too much time himself to challenge a call later in the match and no one seems to remember that. I'd never seen or heard of del Po taking too much time to challenge. I think that if Delpo begins to beat Federer on a regular basis he will also be labeled as a cheater who takes too much time. Which is unfair, imo.
To the other posters. I'm not trying to confuse anyone, and I know what the rule is, but there are times when the ball is in, the linespeople don't make a call, the receiver could have tried for it, and didn't, so they call for a challenge on the in ball and the point is replayed because they didn't get in position. I've seen it many times.
In this way the receiver can manipulate the situation, because he missed it, and by challenging asserts that he thought the ball was out.
That's where you're wrong. I don't nitpick about anyone's serving rituals, or game style including Federer's. I think people are different, and differences should be respected. Period.
I may notice things about players, but complain? Please. I don't time to devote to Sharapova's screeching, Azarenka's imitation, Nadal's few seconds, or Djoker's ball bouncing. It doesn't detract from the game of tennis for me, so it's a non-issue.
Stop with the "you're picking on Federer" routine. It's annoying.
Why doesn't Murray just come out and say, "Umpires need to crack down on, Rafa?"
Why else... Cus Rafa will open a can of whoop *** on that girly boy from clay to grass LOL!
What if somebody cracked Murray over the head?
TheTruth ,you are unfortunately plain wrong on many counts.First of all the idea of time-wasting was neither started nor promoted by Roger Federer.It existed well before he called out the constant abuse of the rule YOU think is ridiculous.And Federer dosent 'go on' about it in his pressers either.
Nadal has received warnings as he takes far too much time,same with Djokovic.However,it needs to be done more often IMO.
A lot of players also did not like the fact that Nadal would ask them to stop/wait before they served .It might make no difference to viewers but it disrupts the opponents rhythm.
The point is-The idea has existed with or without Federer speaking about it.
Regardless of what you think about Federer both he and Murray are right about this.
Now as to why only Djokovic and Nadal get called out on this-They are the
biggest abusers of the rule among top players.
It is unfair in a way..I agree with that.But the basic point remains-A player HAS to respect the rules laid out or they need to be enforced.
Now as to the USO incident-Lets NOT forget that the time Federer took was in part because of the umpire and time spent in confirming with the linesperson ,the actual call .Besides,since the umpire had allowed Del Po his time to challenge the call it was only fair to allow Roger to do the same.It is the umpire's decision to allow a player to challenge.So in no way is the player at fault.And no,Del Po or anyone beating Federer has nothing to do with anything here.
Besides,by picking out one incident you cannot cover up for the incessant time-wasting both Nadal and Djokovic indulge in inspite of being warned.
It may make no difference to you but it does make a difference to the opponent especially in a close match .
I dont know if Nadal does it on purpose-maybe he dosent-but it still needs to be checked.
I think del po does take too much time. I hate the way all these guys are slowly walking up to the line to decide whether or not to challenge. That is not in the spirit of the rule... I think the rule is for calls that you immediately think are wrong. Fed is actually the only one I have not seen walk up to a line forever and then make a challenge. I am not a fed lover either..that is my observation of all of them. Delpo is possibley the worst, Nadal is pretty bad and even Davy was doing it a lot in the last tournament. I jhust think that if it is not obvious to the player he should move on and at the risk of you thinking that I am a fed lover (which again, I am not) he challenges quicker than any of the guys I have seen play on TV.
This is true. He does challenge the quickest. An admirable trait.
I never noticed it with Del Potro and Davydenko, because I was already used to the players walking up to the line and checking balls on clay and hard, for years.
if the linespeople does not make a call, then the ball is considered in.
if the receiver didn't try to hit it and calls a challenge on the in ball.
If the ball was indeed in, the receiver loses the point, period. If the ball is out, then the receiver wins the point. THERE IS NO REPLAY
doesn't matter, if the receiver thought the ball was out and challenges but is wrong, he loses the point.
Could you cite the "many times", so maybe we can understand what you are trying to depict better
Ya, most funny thing i see in tennis is when roddick impersonate djokeovick and bounce ball like 20 times without stopping
Ahh, you know what I'm talking about!
But, I'm not trying to pick on Federer, Nadal, Djokovic, or anyone else.
Every player has their own persona and we as fans choose what we like, or dislike. It's that simple to me.
I'm simply watching tennis, and although I see different things, they seem petty to me. I would never find something and make it an issue, because that to me, distracts from the actual tennis moreso than any ritual.
but it's true! Fed is obeying the rules and it annoys you. I find it annoying as a viewer, so I can only guess how irritating it is to be at the other side of the net (in fact when I play I get very annoyed by it). djoko and rafa allow themselves way too much IMO
it's not the ritual that is the issue. It's the violation of rules (written in the tennis rule book) and failure of empires or glorified scorekeepers to enforce those rules that is the issue here.
if the time thing is really a non-issue, then the rulebooks need to be updated. As long as the rule doesn't change, these players are breaking the rules of the game => cheating
Spell much and piece word together to make sentence?
You obviously didn't read my post. I'm not annoyed by any player's rituals, if I was I wouldn't watch them and then sit around complaining about it. What's the use of that?
Give me a break! Why are Rafa and Djoker the only ones you all complain about?
This so-called rule has been ignored in tennis history forever, until Roger said something about it. Agassi may have mentioned it once, but Roger took it and ran with it, and so have his fans.
Nadal and Djokovic have been receiving warnings much before Federer said something.Unfortunately they've never taken the warnings seriously.Roger did NOT 'run with it'.
You talk as if Federer goes around in every interview speaking about it.
So much failure in one post.
Didn't think it was possible. The follow-ups are almost worse.
Separate names with a comma.