My 1h backhand - help (video)

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  1. JonC

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  2. Fxanimator1

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    That's looking good.
    I would say next, start driving with your legs and hips more into the shot.
     
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  3. boramiNYC

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    Try hitting as softly as possible with good control and clear topspin. Think about how your wrist have to be oriented and move and which contact point position and height allows this best. That's an important fundamental most instructors fail to establish and explain clearly.
     
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  4. Crisp

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    Your backhand seems pretty good in this repetitive exercise when you are positioned with enough room to swing out at the ball. Do you practice the grip change. E.g going from forehand to backhand ( may have later in video I did not watch it all.) This may be were your backhand is coming unstuck in matches. It would be my advice to go about practicing this and a good value add if this is actually were you are coming unstuck would be to move your non dominant hand further up the throat of the racquet to assist with this quick grip change. The eastern backhand grip may be a long way from your forehand grip and perfecting the speed and fluency of the grip change could really help in match play.
     
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    Thanks.
    Yeah - when I'm going forehand to backhand I get tied up - often the grip change is a problem. Good catch, I'll work on that.
    Legs - yes, I was playing around with that today and it seemed to help quite a bit - I'm lazy with the legs.
    Getting the racket to brush the ball is still my big nemesis - I'll do the soft swing thing. I'm guessing it's one of those things you just have to "Get" after hitting a lot of balls. I definitely know when it happens but it's repeating it that's the problem. Probalby harder to figure it out when I'm hitting hard.
     
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    Nice bhs.
    In the takeback, racket tip should point more up (i.e. racket head is noticeably higher than handle: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jW2_dyj6QiM#t=146)
    Your left arm gripping the throat of the racket should be higher as well.

    Basically your takeback should start so that the buttcap points down at the ground and hitting face points at the side/back fence, whereas now buttcap is pointing at the side fence.
     
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  7. Maximagq

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    psv, I sent you an email. Do you have time to help me?
     
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  8. xFullCourtTenniSx

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    2 Ways to go about this.

    1) Focus on lifting the racket straight up the back of the ball. Right now, you're driving through it with some lift (which is good). But if you really want to get the feeling of brushing the ball. you want to really lift the racket, and KEEP YOUR SHOULDERS CLOSED. If you drive through the ball, it doesn't matter if you open your shoulders a bit, because it doesn't hurt the shot. If you do that while trying to hit pure spin, then you get sidespin, and lots of it.

    One thing you can do, is to find a wall, and hit with it softly. Use a small swing, and gently lift the back of the ball straight up like you're picking it up off the floor (I was really comfortable with my backhand when I described this back in high school, and I still can't find another way to describe it, though I was basically doing topspin half volleys with the wall). After you get comfortable "picking up the ball", make the swing bigger. Then you drive the ball at the same time and if you want even more, close the racket face a bit as you do it.

    2) PSV mentioned how your racket head should be above your wrist on the takeback. It gives me this weird wrist action that I can't explain that gives me more spin on the ball (without sacrificing drive). Of course, it makes the swing noticeably bigger and makes things more difficult to time if you're already struggling with that, so start off with slower, easy balls.
     
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  9. Gyswandir

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    Jon, I'm not a coach. So, take this as you will. However, my opinion you have several fundamental issues:
    - grip (this one can be adapted like Gasquet or Kohl)
    - takeback
    - swing path
    - arm structure (linked with previous point)

    Now, I'm sure some can make this work at a certain level i.e. Slow ball with little spin, but if you're really serious about raising your level (while not in the USA, I'd judge 4.0 or above) then that needs to be retooled.
    If you're interested, I'll post my obepservations, but you probably need to complement that with real coaching.
     
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    PSV had some good observations.

    When I am hitting good BH's, I feel like the racquet arm moves effortlessly. That requires letting go and trusting the shot instead of trying to control it. That creates racquet head speed,which is how you get action on the ball, not by trying to brush up the back.

    You are standing and watching your shot instead of recovering. I realize this is practice with a ball machine, but you are ingraining bad habits.
     
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  11. Crisp

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    Getting comfortable with the grip and grip changes would always be my jumping off point. In match play your grip must be comfortable for you or you will never find it quickly in match conditions.
     
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    Overall it looks very nice but this is perhaps a bit nit picky on my part. On some of these, it looks like you aren't using your left arm as a counterbalance and driving through the ball with you shoulders. As a result, your body is opening up a little bit too much kind of like Wawrinka. It works for him, but I am not really a big fan of this style of one handed backhand. Second thing, the follow through at times is a bit too loopy. This might be because of the grip, which looks more SW western. I used to do the same thing, and I felt thought this compromised my ability to hit well on a fast ball like a return or a deep groundstroke. I think driving more towards the target on the one hander will be a bit more effective.
     
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    Thanks again everyone. I've been hitting much better lately by doing several new things. One was the grip change, the others are:

    1) simply pulling the racket through - no thinking about anything else
    - this seems to really help me gain time and probably keeps me from bring the face forward too early (see next)

    2) I realized I was ulnar deviating which was bring the face forward - this was unconscious and happened when I was rushed

    I'm also working on keeping the shoulders closed
     
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    What does it mean to - drive through with the shoulders?
     
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    Does anyone think that the backhand should be played flatter and lower over the net than the forehand or are the trajectories and spins the same?
     
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    I was definitely trying hard to control - now just pulling the but cap forward.
     
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    The trajectories are not the same. If you let your wrist roll more, you will achieve more topspin though.
     
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    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VeZjBFyDnSo
    You can see for yourself - but it is true that generally the BH is played slightly flatter.
     
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    Think it depends on the person and also if hitting a winner or a rally ball.
    Flatter and lower is good if going for a winner, but it's also lower percentage.
    It can't hurt to be able to do both well.
     
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    I noticed your takeback is very low...around waist height and horizontal to the ground. Not sure if this is a negative or not, but most Pro's with great one handers take the racquet back with the tip facing straight up and then they bring it back to around behind their back shoulder. But I don't really see anything wrong with this type of takeback...it reminds me of how Venus Williams hits her 2 hander. Maybe others will offer more on this...
     
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    Another good way to work on this is something similar teachers do to teach topspin forehands. Stand very close to the net....like a few feet inside the service line, and have someone slow toss you balls on a hop and you try and hit the ball up over the net. From that close range, you really have to exaggerate the "low-to high" motion and really brush up on the ball. Make sure the person feeding the balls, keeps them low. You can also do this yourself drop feeding.
     
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    You could turn some more, show more back on the back swing, like this

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    if you have muscle memory on that original takeback on video, stick with it.

    The Federer takeback will lead you to bad timing returns.
     
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