My Black Magic Hybrid Experiment

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  1. Power Player

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    My favorite poly is Black Magic. It retains playabilty for a long time and is very soft for a poly. So I am searching for the ultimate cross string to hybrid it with in my PK 7G. My target tension is around 56 to 58#s.

    First up is 16 gauge gosen OG Sheep Micro.

    Right off the bat, I knew this was an easy go to setup. Awesome feel, great feedback and decent spin. This setup surprised me and has lasted 8 hours before snapping. Ironically, the Black Magic went first but the OGSM was on it's way as well. This durability may be due to the tighter pattern in the sweet spot area of the racquet, which I prefer. If you have a more open pattern racquet, I would expect to get 4-6 hours instead of 8-10.

    Cons are that around 6 hour mark, the setup gets a little mushy and drops tension about 10 pounds. The spin potential is average. I generate my own spin so this setup was sufficient. My last session I purposely hit flatter balls at the opponent for a bit before dialing up a little more spin. Once I went more low to high the spin was still there and threw off his timing a lot for easy mishit errors. I would rate the spin production about a 6/10.

    All in all, this is an easy go to hybrid setup that will cost you around $6.

    I have now strung up Dunlop Hexy Fibre as my next cross. It is strung up at 58#s and that will be my next playtest.

    My 2nd racquet will be strung up with Mantis comfort a little lower at 56#s. I will have that one ready to play next to the Hexy Fibre in a multi cross showdown.
     
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    Try SPPP 1.18 at the same tension as your mains, but because it will be full poly, drop them both a touch. A thin poly with good tension maintenance provides great consistency. Better than any nylon I've tried - and Ive tried a bunch! The thinner gauge will soften the string bed and you won't have early notching of the syn gut spoiling the party.
     
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    I do not want to go full poly. As much as I like SPPP, it is more stiff than a syn gut. I can't do full poly beds.

    I had Hexi Fibre in last night. It moves a little and that is not good. I may just need to raise the tension, so I am going to string up my second racquet with it as well.

    I will say that the comfort level is quite high and there is a very crisp response when hitting the string bed. I notice a difference in comfort between the syn gut and hexi.

    Concerned that this string may not last very long at all..I am talking 4-6 hours max. The OG Sheep Micro gives me 10 hours with no string movement.

    Going to give it plenty more time though..the feedback is nice, and the comfort is excellent.
     
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  4. parasailing

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    Power Player - What other polys have you tried that are soft and offer great tension maintenance?

    So far, I like WC Scorpion in the crosses with my VS main setup but will be getting Black Magic to do a comparison test.

    Have you consider using VS mains instead?
     
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    I'm right there with you as in BM is my favorite poly. I tried out B5E, liked it but I'm sticking with BM. I've used it in a full bed with no issues but I'll be going back and forth using a hybrid (looking long term health wise). I have a reel of OGSM (which I've used and like). Also just picked up Genesis's new syn gut Blizzard and will try it out this weekend.

    So interested in hearing your thoughts as you experiment.
     
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    With regards to durability, I've got 7 sets on my B5E/Hexy setup. I'm definitely noticing some weak areas in the Hexy. So getting 4-6 hours in hitting sessions would not surprise me.
     
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    Have you ever tried Weiss Cannon Black5Edge? If you did, why do you like Black magic better? Does Black magic have a lot of power kind of like a multi?
     
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    I like Black Magic better because it is softer and less expensive. It does not have multi power, it is just an incredibly awesome poly that is nice on the arm.

    I really like B5E as well, but I personally did not notice a huge benefit or justification in paying so much more.

    Parasailing, VS mains is an awesome idea, but I will burn through gut way too fast the way I hit. It is also insanely humid out here right now, and not even the most modern gut string deserves that kind of treatment.

    Kslick, Blizzard sounds like an awesome string for me to add to the cross testing. Good call!!
     
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    Landon....I also love Black Magic. You can't beat it for the price.
    It's one of the most powerful poly's I have ever tried and it's also very soft. I use BM as a cross with nat gut mains.

    Since your hybrid is BM mains, the cross doesn't matter so much. I would think OG Micro would be a solid choice. Since you are a hard hitter, if you want to go softer to a multi, I would recommend going to 16 guage and look for multi's known for durability. How about Rip Control or Mantis Comfort Syn?
     
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    Mantis Comfort is getting strung up tonight ;)

    you are right, the cross does not matter too much, but I do notice a difference in softness between the multi and the syngut. That being said, I seem to prefer the response of the syngut, so far, but the experiment continues.

    I have ordered the new Genesis SynGut in Black.

    Sticks will be crossed with same type of string for most accurate comparison, and the best Multi will take on the best Syn Gut for the ultimate prize - my money.
     
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    What about X-1 biphase ?? you would think that would work ? I don't think very soft multi would go well with black magic.
     
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    x1 would probably work great, I just don't feel like shelling out the dough. Wonder if there is a less expensive "copy" of it.

    And you may well be right that a soft multi simply will not last that long with Black Magic.
     
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    Genesis also just came out with a new multi called Thunder Blast. I was sent a set to playtest which I'll do tonight with B5E mains. Cross strings DO make a difference just not near as much as the mains.
     
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    Saw that as well. I guess it has a rough texture? you'll have to let us know how it works out.
     
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    Mantis Comfort is low powered, so adjust accordingly.
     
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    Yes, it is very droopy with a rough texture. Reminds me a little of a rough Babolat Xcel stringing it up.
     
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    Is there a multi that is BETTER than the X-1 biphase ?? that works well with polys like BM. If the cost didn't matter.
     
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    I take NRG2 and Multifeel any day of the week over X-1. It's just too unpredictable.
     
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    Gosen OG Micro is a very underrated string. It works great in hybrids, does what it is intended to do, and is inexpensive. Way overlooked when looking for a nice synthetic to pair up with a poly in a hybrid setup.
     
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    I agree so much with X-1 being unpredictable. NRG2 gets too mushy in Summer with hot and humid condition. but never tried Multifeel. who makes that ?? and how does it compare in Power to X-1 biphase ???
     
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    what is it intended to do ??? to me Multi is supposed to give me that Extra Power when i need it when full Poly job can't provide it. While maintaining just good of control.
    To me that is the purpose of the Multi hybrid.
     
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    ^^^^soften up the string bed, provide a pit more pop and liveliness, while providing more comfort.
     
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    I actually think BM is soft enough to use in a full bed without having to counter with a softer gut/multi. I have a streaky shoulder and dropped BM in tension to the upper 40's. I found this approach to be healthier on my arm without having to sacrifice my style of play or all the incomparable nuances of a full poly setup.

    OP, try dropping tension in a full bed of BM or maybe just the crosses to see what kind of results you get. BM is a very workable string and behaves well along the tension spectrum. To me I love it because it doesn't do one thing exceptionally well, but rather just about everything consistently good enough.
     
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    does OG micro have good power?
     
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  25. Tennis Is Magic

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    It's low-powered for a syn gut.
     
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    Disagreed. On its own I think OG Micro Sheep can be powerful because of its high elasticity. Plus, it loses tension fast so you have to tension up a bit to tame some of that power. Like others have said, it's best in hybrid form as a cross for softening up a bed with poly mains and provide a little boost.
     
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    ^^^^^

    agreed
     
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    multis cost way more than synguts and will break quicker too. That's the advantage of syngut as a cross over multi
     
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    Multifeel is crisper feeling than X1 and is lower powered also. It also doesn't last as long. That's why it's cheaper.
     
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    Hey Drak...do all the different colors of Micro play the same? Or is it best to stick with natural?
     
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    I also agree with Mel. OGSM is not low powered at all to me.

    I am already leaning towards the OGSM. The tension loss is 10 pounds until breakage, and that is pretty good to me. Hexi Fibre combo has already lost 12 pounds after 2 hours. I also am not into the string movement. But I do like the comfort level.

    Planning to do the Mantis comfort tonight 2 pounds lower. I think the Hexi will break rather soon, and that will be just in time for the Genesis Blizzard to show up at my door.

    That is actually a good question Jack and I am interested in the answer since it would be cool to use white OGSM.

    The other wildcard that I have to go back and check out is my beloved Wilson stamina. Another excellent cross. It's been a while, but I have always loved it.. I just am not sure if it plays stiffer than OGSM.
     
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    I need a Multi that is as Powerful as X-1 biphase but with just as good of control as natural gut. is there such a thing ?
     
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    Closest is probably Laserfibre SNPSG, good luck trying to buy it.
     
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    why do you say that ?? is it still in market ?
     
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    While it's the best, if you try to buy it from Laserfibre, you will either get a fake one or they won't send it to you. It's really sad that such a great multi based on what others have said is no longer available for purchase.
     
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    what if you buy their latest flagship multi string ? Maybe it is just as good ?
     
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  37. Power Player

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    Fedace, go google Laserfibre customer service, or don't if you want to keep trolling the thread.

    I have MCS at 56#s and HexiFibre as well in my backup. Comparisons will be done this week.
     
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    it's frame dependent.

    years ago I put it on a flex 59 frame and felt it was stiff and low powered... recently I have it on a stiffer frame, and it really shines.

    since PP is using it on a 66 flex 7G, I suspect he is getting good pop from it.

    the power of the string comes from it's deflection at impact, but also, how that deflection work in synergy with the deflection of the frame.... stiff frame works better with crisp strings.
     
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    Yes I get great pop from it and perfect feel. Synthetic gut has a feel to it that really enhances your racquet in a hyrbid...IMO.

    Another go to setup that I may have to try again is the BAM mains and synth gut crosses. It is so good...it has been so long I don't remember if BAM if as soft as BM, but I suspect not. BAM is so thin though that it just may have even more comfort.
     
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    Here is the update.

    The Hexy Fibre is not a worthy cross. It moves too much and drops tension (over 10 pounds) way too fast for me. Still provides a nice feel, but nothing substantial that makes me want to committ to it.

    The Mantis Comfort is an incredible multi. I have to say it has impressed me a lot. The feel is not as crispy, but it is fantastic, and very gutlike. Tension maintenance is acceptable. The deal killer is string movement and price.

    Synth Gut just seems like a better match in a hybrid. It does not move and gives me a more consistent string bed.

    That being said, I have 20 feet of MCS left and I am definitely using it again. It is just too good in terms of feel. I will A/B it against it the Genesis Lightning synth gut.
     
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  41. Tennis Is Magic

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    Where did I say it was low-powered compared to all strings? I said it was low powered compared to other SYN GUT, which it is.
     
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    Did u find the Mantis Comfort low powered? I thought it was one of the lowest powered multi's around...which might be a plus for some.
     
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    PP questions for you - how do you measure the tension? what was the tension that OGSM was strung at?

    I was wondering if the tension measurement follows some sort of hockey stick curve, where the tension flattens out after the initial loss... I had to cut OGSM mains after 4.5 hours.... but if it does flatten out, I might just string it higher initially.

    Stamina - I used it in the mains @57 for about an hour... it's somewhat in between OGSM white and OGSM natural... no idea about tension holding yet.
     
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    Jack, I did find the Mantis low powered, but I liked that.

    Magicman -Personally I do not find OGSM low powered for a syn gut and I think everyone understood that was what you said in the original post you made.

    Dozu - I use the racquettune app on my ipad to measure tension. It is quite accurate as a reference.

    I string OGSM at 58 and I may take it up to 60 and keep the BM at 56.

    In my experience there is the initial tension loss and then we see if the string stays after that. The good ones do. Full Black Magic and b5e dropped 6-8 pounds and then held until death.

    OGSM seems to do the same, and then will break before I get to see what happens next..I still get more durability from the synth gut setups than the multis.
     
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    Love this string. Easy on the arm and amazing spin.
     
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    The Blizzard is up next.

    I am going to do 1 stick with Blizzard crosses and 1 with MCS again to compare feel..durability..etc.
     
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    The winner of my multi cross experiment is MCS.

    If you are a hard hitter needing comfort, this string is an incredible cross in a tighter patterned stick.

    The durability is better than I expected. I thought for sure it would go a lot faster than it did, but it lasted in the crosses for 10 hours. I also had excellent tension maintenance.

    Some of this I believe is due to the Black Magic. It is an excellent poly to hybrid with because it does not saw through the crosses and simply notches more instead.
     
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    That sounds like a good combo because BM is very powerful for a poly and MCS is low powered for a multi, but soft, so the 2 together probably equal a medium overall power level.
     
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    Yes. I have a powerful racquet so this setup mimics full poly quite well in terms of control.

    The spin is not as heavy as the setup, but it is acceptable.

    The feel is extremely plush and easy on the arm.

    The total price is less than $8.
     
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    Do to the quality reviews, I will add Babolat N.Vy to the list as well.
     
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