my friend is a Roddick fan, PLEASE HELP!!!

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  1. finchy

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    he is a cocky lil mugger who loves roddick and adores him. i tell him that Federer is #1 in the world, but he's like, "NO HE'S NOT. RODDICK CAN KICK HIS ***." - ignorance these days....

    i tell him i want to model my forehand after Juan Carlos Ferrero and he was like, he sucks, roddick beat him....

    this just pisses me off. he thinks roddick is the greatest thing in tennis. sure he's a good player, but he definitely is NOT the best.

    plz help me win this argument. he is an idiot who didnt even know that roddick was beaten by haas and now that other guy, canaan or something.
     
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  2. Feña14

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    All I can say is that I admire you for modelling your forehand on the greatest player the game has ever seen imo :D

    Ferrero should have beat Roddick if he hadn't had to play 4 matches in 4 days at the US Open and if the calls were fair.

    As for the Roddick fan!

    Have you got a shot gun?

    Liam
     
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  3. Frodo Baggins

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    Tell Your friend all about Masha an his obession with Maria :lol: Maybe that will stop him in his tracks about Roddick... :lol:
     
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  4. MattNowicki

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    Tell him he's absolutely right, Roddick's got way more game than everyone else...that'll shut 'im up, not to mention be true.
     
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  5. sliceroni

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    Kick your friend, as hard as you can, in the nuts and then say "this is what Roddick feels like during and after a Federer match!" :lol: Or just show him a tape of last years Wimbledon semis or Masters at Houston. That'll hopefully shut him up.
     
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  6. finchy

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    my friend is so dumb though. he just interrupts me and talks right through what im saying.

    plus he's so stupid that he doesnt even know much of the top 10 players in the world. nor the current tournaments playing. he doesnt watch much tennis too. he doesnt have the tennis channel, but i go to my cousin's house to watch it. he is so arrogant and annoying.

    btw, i live in texas, but no shotgun. :(

    btw, would anyone recommend the surge 5.1 or X to me? lol.
     
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  7. finchy

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    by the way, i talked to my coach and he said that Fed was a completely better player than roddick. but he said that roddick has a better serve + forehand, but Fed has better backhand and consistency i think.

    how much more better do u think that Federer and Ferrero are better than roddick? what elements of their game completely overshadow roddick?

    btw, my fav players are fed and fer if you didnt know...
     
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  8. James Brown

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    federers forehand is much better than roddicks. roddick jumps and swings...i think roddicks is sometimes hit harder (when hes given time) but its nowhere near as good as feds
     
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  9. ProStaffTour90

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    he has no style, Fed's Forehand, Backhand, and Volleys eclipse Roddicks!

    Roddick only beats Fed on serve, and even then it's just pure speed, whereas Fed's is slower but just as effective because of his placement! (His style is also much better)

    (Perfect example, Roddick hit a 149 at the Stella last year, 150 somewhere this year, and a 152 in the DC against Sweden, every one of those serves were returned! Speed is nothing wothout accuracy!)
     
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  10. ProStaffTour90

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    You have a go at this kid for not knowing half the top ten, and you don't know about Canas :roll:
     
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  11. Anonymous

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    You have a go at this kid for not knowing half the top ten, and you don't know about Canas


    That's true. Canas is a great player and should be given all due credit. The guy had an amazing run in Toronto a couple years ago and won the thing, he's top 15 material IMO...
     
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  12. Nas Eclipse

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    personally i dont like the surges they seem too light not enough power. I dont use one but my friend has one and he is number 1 on the high school tennis team and he always complains and says he never has enough power i tell him to add som lead tape but he wont.
     
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  13. MattNowicki

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    There's no way I'd even think for a second that Ferrero is better than Roddick- no question. Roddick's superior, in ever department now. Federer, well yes...I mean, Federer has more natural talent, but I personally prefer Roddick. But Juan Carlos? Are we walking about the man who lost 2R as Def. Champ of the last TMS? In my opinion, JCF is going dowwwwnhill.
     
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  14. Anonymous

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    It was Rd.1 Matt Nowicki, fell hard to Alex Corretja. That's not to say JC still isn't a great player though... I'll bet my buddy Liam agrees with me on this one. Don't worry Liam, I'm sure he'll be back, he's got way too much game to just disappear. THIS IS MY 100th POST!!!

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  15. polakosaur

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    tell him he's got a man crush on roddick
     
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  16. Max G.

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    If he doesn't want to listen, then you can't make him.

    You can give him the facts - Roddick's head to head against Federer, their rankings, anything like that.

    But if he refuses to believe you, then there is nothing you can do.
     
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  17. finchy

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    well since the surge is a pro staff, i would think that it would have less power than most racquets.

    my friend on junior varsity (im on freshman) said that he didnt like power racquets like the surge. would that make the H6 midplus more ideal? because i might get either one depending on the input i get.

    im still developing my shot. i just want a racquet with great spin potential and a bit of extra power.

    NOTE: Ferrero did have the chickenpox a few weeks ago. it is more serious in adults than children. i'd say give him a few weeks, months, and he'll be better.

    btw, can anyone describe all of JC's overall tennis game? like his serves, backhands, forehands, and such? i'd like people who really study his shots to answer this plz.
     
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  18. Chanchai

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    I wouldn't worry about your friend. He seems to be adamant in being ignorant. Furthermore, you seem to acknowledge that he's an idiot. I know how frustrating that can be though, but best thing is to just leave it be or ignore his limited views on tennis.

    Even if you gave him the Roddick-Federer head-to-head, he wouldn't care.

    I'm a Roddick fan myself, but I'm not reality impaired. I just enjoy his game in some aspects, but not necessarily more than a lot of other players. For the casual fans, there is an interesting appeal in Roddick (oddly enough, a good portion of it includes things that turn off many serious tennis fans).

    That aside, to whoever had a coach tell them that Roddick's forehand is better than Federers... Like many others, I have to strongly disagree. Roddick is better at blasting the forehand, but Federer has much more variety, control, angle, and ability to dictate with his forehand. Roddick's forehand is really good imo, but I would take Federer's anyday (except in those days when he would hit the thing off the court all the time--fortunately a rare sight for almost a year now).

    Opinions, opinions... But until Federer falls back into a slump where we wonder if he's a headcase or not again, he's a STRONG example of a player better than Roddick (that's virtually an understatement).

    It might be easier (or more annoying) to just rethink how you interpret your friends' annoying "arguments." He probably just means that Roddick is the only player he cares about and finds interesting, and ever will for awhile (a lot of people were like this about Agassi way back in the day). Of course your friend apparently has no basis to understand who the best player among all these days is. Or you can just say "hometown crowd--'of course Roddick is the best, he's a self-dubbed Texan."

    In either case--DON'T YOU JUST LOVE IGNORANCE?! :roll:

    -Chanchai
     
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  19. Chanchai

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    I'm quite a fan of Ferrero (amid a sea of people who could care less about JC).

    First off, considering his 2003 season, I am not surprised that 2004 is a bit shoddy for him (aside from reaching the semifinals of Oz).

    2003 Season (there maybe some slight miscounting, probably margin of 2, maybe 3):

    STATS
    - 88 ATP & Davis Cup matches. Doesn't count any exhibitions he may have played.
    - 20 ATP tournaments played in 2003
    - 68-20 Match record ATP + Davis Cup.
    - 4-3 Davis Cup '03 match record
    - 64-17 ATP '03 match record
    - 4 Titles (Valencia, Roland Garros, Monte Carlo, Madrid)
    - 7 Finals (Sydney, US Open, Bangkok)
    - Played deep into most tournaments, almost always R16, QF, and F.
    - Played Doubles 5 times, but lost everytime (so I guess it hardly counts)

    NOTEWORTHY DETAILS
    - US OPEN: Only player that had to play 4 days in a row. 5+4+4+3 sets in those 4 matches. (it's might also be possible that technically, a qualifier may have had to play 4 days in a row, if we want to count them)

    - Estimate 24 weeks of ATP play (hence not counting Davis Cup and Exhibitions).
    - All 4 rounds of Davis Cup.
    - Did not skip a surface season (not that many of the other top 10 did either, aside from Agassi who skipped indoor season).

    - 3 different surfaces at the end of the season (when it was becoming clear that Ferrero was already exhausted from the season). Also, notice the change of geography.
    - TMS Paris: End of the Indoor Court season, started on 10/27/03.
    - Tennis Masters Cup in Houston: Hard Court (with rumored slope), started on 11/10/03.
    - Davis Cup Final: In Australia on portable Grass Court. 11/28/03 & 11/30/03.

    - JC also played a loaded 2002 season, with mixed (though mostly positive) results. His results were either very deep into the tournament or crashed out fairly early.
    - 25 ATP Tournaments played in 2002.
    - 2 Titles (Monte Carlo, Hong Kong)
    - 5 Finals (Kitzbuhel, Roland Garros, Tennis Masters Cup)
    - Only 1 Davis Cup round. 1-1
    - Got to the finals of the Masters Cup 2002 in Shanghai

    - JC's 2001 season was similar to his 2003 season in that he played about 23 ATP tournaments with 4 titles and 6 finals. (Remember, finals includes title wins in my numbers).

    Anyways, stats don't tell EVERYTHING, but they give you an idea on his activity. JC's 2001 season was hot, his 2002 season had a few notable results. But I intended to illustrate how grueling his 2003 season was, combined with a consistently loaded schedule in all the years. To me, it was around the US Open when JC's fatigue and game seemed to be catching up to him and manifesting into potential injuries and strains. Given all of that, I was surprised he made it to the semis of the Australian Open this year (where he looked beyond exhausted against Federer, but Federer was also virtually invincible anyways). Other than that, he's won Rotterdam and reached the semifinals of Valencia. I'm surprised at these results, even. He missed the Indian Wells and Miami because of Chickenpox. Part of me thinks the Chickenpox is a blessing in disguise (in the longrun), because I swear the guy needs/needed to take a month-2 month break!

    My views on his game:
    - His serve is surprisingly good. I didn't think it was in the past, and I used to think it was a sort of liability for him. But at some point, I was guessing 2003 U.S. Open and maybe earlier, it seemed clear to me that he stepped up his serve. I think his serve is now a legit weapon. Particularly his first serve.

    - His backhand is almost never mentioned, but he's got a lot of good strong topspin and control on his backhand. On bad days, he'll hit some weird errors on it, but for the most part, it is VERY RELIABLE. Though Biased, Lliam can probably give you all the details on the Ferrero backhand. As far as I can tell, he hits his backhand very well when the ball is anywhere above knee-high (he can hit extremely high balls very well, using the leg-up two-hander--though different technique from Safin's, same idea though).

    - His forehand is definitely his weapon. It's pretty big and it has angles (not necessarily Federer angles, but great angles). The guy will hit a lot of passing shots and forcing shots with the forehand. He can also hit it well from almost anywhere on (and off) the court. Even when stretched out, if he can get it in reach, he will often hit something very good off it (unless it's one of those really bad days or his legs have issues).

    - His netgame needs work. It's probably the weakest part of his game. He can get to dropshots and everything, and he'll usually get a racquet on the ball, but at the net he's almost reduced to typical counter-puncher tennis at net. He has some wonderful moments at net, but overall I think it's clearly a weakness outside of clay.

    - Specialty shots. I don't have a clear image of his specialty shots except maybe the tweenie (between the legs). He hit that thing like 3/4 times at least at the US Open (with successful results)? I've seen the drop shot crap out on him a lot on hardcourts and faster surfaces. I have seen him hit some wonderful lobs though. Someone will have to clarify to me what the norms of Ferrero's specialty shots are though.

    - Court coverage & sense. Definitely one of his best strengths (if not his best strength). The guy is extremely fast (which is well-known), and the guy has an excellent read on the ball as well as recovery. He seems to mix up between counterpunching and aggressive baselining and some attacking, by mostly implementing his ability to cover the court and get to balls earlier than one might expect.

    - Point construction. In general, I think JC's point construction is great. It's baseliner construction with some counterpunching, but the guy does very well to setup his forehand. His ability to hit passing shots makes a strong positive impact on how he constructs point, and his current first serve definitely sets up for more holds.

    Those are my thoughts on JC Ferrero. I love this guy's game, but it doesn't seem to be for everyone. His composure is great to, if not dry for a lot of people. I can understand his interviews bugging people because he focuses on his side of the net, and doesn't often mention his opponents in his post-match press conferences. For me, it mainly stresses that he's only worried about things he believes he has control over. It's not like he's as overly offensive as say, Greg Rusedski.

    LOL, maybe I should repost this in a Ferrero thread instead of a Roddick thread?! :oops:

    -Chanchai
     
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    Never argue with idiots. First they drag you down to their level, then beat you with experience!

    I just love this saying!!!
     
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  21. VTL

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    You know, even if Federer's better than Roddick.. the gap isn't really that large. You can exaggerate all you want, but when they play the win can go either way

    Also, style is overrated.. I'd pick a Rocky-like player over any Apollo Creeds!
     
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  22. @wright

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    Tell him to quit being a ***.
     
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  23. Feña14

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    Well MaSha I don't know what gave you the idea that I like Ferrero! :wink:

    Chanchai gave a very good account of Ferrero IMO, we all know he uses a mad western grip and thats what gives him the spin. He also has great hip turn into his groundstrokes which gives him the power.

    Another strength JC has is the depth and accuracy on all strokes and I love the way he gets into a really wide stance on his forehand and to finish of the shot his balance is nothing short of amazing.

    The backhand is a shot which I also think is underated, he uses it to brake his opponent down until he gets to his forehand and just takes the opponent out of the court with the spin and crosscourt angles, nicely followed up with a forehand down the line and "Wham bam thankyou mam". Goodnight my friend!

    His speed is second to none, and as for the special shots I think that he and Coria have the best drop shots in the game, with JC's being more disguised, and his shot between the legs is also a strength which looks even better when he has the speed to chase the ball down and flick it past his opposition (such as Agassi :D).

    I even missed my sisters Wedding to watch him in the semi finals against Agassi at the US Open. Now thats dedication. I have liked him since I first saw him play against Rusedski at the US Open about 5 years back in which he lost but he has been my favourite player ever since.

    Now can you see why he is my number 1? :D

    Liam
     
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  24. Free_Martha

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    Sounds like you both need to grow up. Roger and Andy are No 1 and No 2 in the world for a reason. Both are great players. Both are very different players. Learn to appreciate both. :)

    These two are twins: they both crashed out at Rome. D'oh!
     
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  25. finchy

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    im not trying to bash roddick or anything, but its complete bs when he says he can beat federer when fed beats him just about every time and by a big margin too.

    i only want Ferrero's forehand, not necessarily anything else. after that, i'd like Federer's backhand and i think im ready.

    today, i played against the #2 person in my class. he doesnt take tennis seriously anymore, but he can be good when he wants to. i only had time to play 1 set with him but i beat him 6-2. on his second slow spin serve, i killed it with a forehand winner. most of the times i did this, the ball stayed extremely low and barely got over the net, but i was very consistent with the shot. i didnt not use JC's forehand today because i was just playing around. i want to gradually turn my FH into his. anyways, back to my match.

    i think in the 3rd game or so, he aced me on his second serve. it was a fast slice that caught line straight down the middle. buti ruled from just about then on. I worked all of the short volley's and even some strange putaway shots very well. whats strange is that, it wasnt a volley because it bounced, but i was playing net and i just punched it into the empty part of the court.

    i would like to know if there are any racquet recommendations for someone who wants to develop ferrero's forehand and work all around shots with lots of topspin. some people told me the surge in another topic but i heard that it was very stiff and hurts your arm. i have never played with it. i did however demo the H6 midplus and i kinda liked it. but some say the surge had better topspin potential because i would be able to generate more velocity, meaning more racquet head speed, and be able to brush the ball harder. btw, i think im about a 3.5 and im still improving my game.

    thanks. go JC! and fed!
     
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  26. Feña14

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    Finchy,

    I would reccomend the POG (now theres a surprise! :D )

    For several reasons but mainly because you can generate heaps of topspin and it is very comfortable on the arm.

    Definetly woth a demo.

    Liam
     
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  27. VamosRafa

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    I'm not sure I see the point of this thread. :roll:

    There are about 1200 players ranked on the ATP; Roger is now No. 1, and Andy is No. 2. They must be doing something right; either that, or everyone else, is doing something wrong.

    The players often say rankings don't lie. There is some objectivity in the rankings.

    Susan
     
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  28. Feña14

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    The rankings don't always tell the truth, Safin is AT LEAST! top 15 but he is low on the rankings.

    Ans shouls Schuettler really be that high on the rankings?

    Liam
     
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  29. Max G.

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    Safin was injured - that's why he's not ranked high. He doesn't have a full 52 weeks of competition on record.

    By the end of the year, he'll be top 15 again.
     
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  30. bravestennis

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    roddick is good, he can have some awesome matches, but most i see are just banging winners. I'd rather see some give all match. Safin is solid physicaly but not as soild up in the head. He's still top 15ish
     
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