My groundstrokes

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  1. ramseszerg

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    My advice to you would be to have your racquet prepared earlier, because it looked like you were falling off some of your shots that landed closer to the baseline.

    And, I wold suggest thinking about your recovery more to have it come more naturally to you.

    Your feet should be moving a lot in between shots, so you don't have any laziness to get to the next ball, and it lets you stay in balance so your opponent doesn't hit one and you immediately dive for it. So keeping your feet moving at all times really helps you stay in balance.

    One more thing to add is to think about your knee bend more and getting down for your shots, and STEPPING INTO the ball. It looks like you don't back up for shots that land closer to the baseline resulting in you falling back a little bit and pushing off your back foot which is unbalanced.

    All of these things take a lot of hard work to have them come naturally though.
     
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  3. ramseszerg

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    I'm working with 3-4 coaches right now so I'd rather focus on what they tell me. Not really sure why I posted, I guess for people who saw my previous videos to see.
     
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  4. 3lowdown

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    you are quite possibly the first 3.0 ive seen that uses a split step. ahah really though nice job. Im actually pretty impressed with your footwork patterns. Keep it up.

    btw i love playing in the wind.
     
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  5. ramseszerg

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    umkay, I don't think you can rate me based on this vid but thanks, I guess
     
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    I don't particularly enjoy it, but I guess it forces you to move your feet a lot more than usual. I run around my backhand a lot these days, and when the wind is blowing to my left (I'm a righty), it forces me to move like 1.5 times as fast/early.:???:
     
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  7. 3lowdown

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    so why did you post?



    fo sho, i find that it really levels the players out, and you have to put alot more into as you said footwork and tactics.
     
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  8. ramseszerg

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    I'm bored? I said already it might be interesting for people who've seen my vids from some time ago. Any tips are irrelevant since my coaches are amazing, and any ratings are irrelevant since I plan to improve two whole levels by September.
     
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    Since it is irrelevant, I skipped watching your video because I might become bored as well.

    Let's hope you do improve.
     
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  10. ramseszerg

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    lol. It might also help when I occasionally give tips for the people on the receiving end to know just who is giving that tip.

    I found that taking lessons is prescious. Saves prescious time. I mean, on the internet, every single tip that you get might be exactly right. People might be giving you 100% correct information. But is that the most relevant tip for your game right now? It's like you're trying to grill a steak, and the guy on the internet is telling you how to get the temperature just right, when you in fact have not seasoned it properly.
     
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  11. RoddickAce

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    Good luck. Moving up by 0.5 is hard enough (unless one is a 1.5-3.0, where jumps in rating are rather frequent), but to jump 2 levels...in 4 months time...That is crazy hard. From what I've heard, most people take at least 1-2 years to go from 3.5 to 4.0 or 4.0 to 4.5 (if ever being able to). I hope that works out for you. Remember to keep us updated! It'll be nice to see something that amazing occur.
     
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  12. NLBwell

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    I hope you improve. Since you have such great coaches, I won't comment.
     
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  13. ramseszerg

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    Hm.. here is a question.. how does the relevance of conditioning change as NTRP level goes up?
     
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  14. Mick

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    wow i am so impressed that you could play in windy condition like that [​IMG]
     
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  15. ramseszerg

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    This was after I found a groove, sort of. I was framing everything at first. And even here, I remember hitting a down the line forehand having forgotten about the wind, and it was blown wide.
     
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  16. pushing_wins

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    thats not you!!!!!!!!!
     
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  17. ramseszerg

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    lol what do you mean by that?
     
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  18. maverick66

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    why do you have 4 coaches? most ive ever had at one time is 1. to many opinions is not always a good thing.
     
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  19. ramseszerg

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    Yeah that already started.. one told me to slow down my forehand and the other told me to speed it up.. it has advantages too because they do different drills with you and have different teaching styles.
     
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    haha. one coach teaches him how to serve, another one teaches him how to hit the ground strokes, another one teaches him how to volley, and another one teaches him how to hit the overheads :D
    as long as he can afford them, why not ?
     
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  21. maverick66

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    ya but thats my point work with one. i dont feel like someone can improve working on 2 different styles at once. i would highly suggest telling them that you need to get down to one thought process. if it doesnt work with one then you seek out a different coach.
     
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  22. ramseszerg

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    My reason was that I didn't have any weeks to waste (if it didn't work out with the sole coach I first got). As soon as school starts again I won't be able to play as much. If I don't find any of the coaches helpful I will drop those.
     
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  23. pushing_wins

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    thats not you.

    you were better than that when we hit

    you were much better than that in your forehand drill video
     
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  24. theZig

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    look at all the wind, I'm surprised he even made contact.
     
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  25. ramseszerg

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    Really? I was better when we hit? If that's true I'd be very disappointed.. I doubt it though.

    And the point of the forehand drill video was to hit as hard as I could, but the majority of the balls were landing long. In this video, I made very few errors.
     
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  26. pushing_wins

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    you might not make varsity.

    you have been playing for a few years with coaching and been pretty dedicated, you should be a lot better than that.

    please prove me wrong.
     
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  27. ramseszerg

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    Nope, didn't have coaching until this month. (Edit: I did take a couple lessons from Humphrey but they didn't help that much) Didn't play that much, it was on and off. I played alot in the beginning of the school year (sept and oct of 2008 ), but after that I stopped.
     
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  28. Nellie

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    I know that you did not ask for help, but you seriously need to work on improving extension on both sides, especially on the backhand side. Otherwise, you are going to develop really bad muscle memory. Ask your coach(es) about it. Good luck.

    By the way, I have been through a lot of coaches too, and appreciate the differences between different coaches.
     
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  29. beckham

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    I second this. Two whole levels will be tough though. You've got to have talent as well as a good work/practice routine. I think your a hard worker, we'll see how it works out. I wish you all the best.
     
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  30. TennisPassion5

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    Wow, what ignorance and stubborness for being reluctant to listen to any tips that people are giving you for you to improve upon. And your chance of improving two levels in 4 months is analogous to Roger Federer's chance of winning the French Open this year. You need to improve your attitude, bud.
     
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  31. junbumkim

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    well, two levels by septempber is pretty unrealistic, IMO, although it would depend on what kind of training you are taking about.

    You are definately no more than 4.0. And, you are definately not on high end of 4.0.

    2 lessons per week with 1~2 hrs of hitting 3~4 days per week will not bring you to 5.0.
     
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  32. ramseszerg

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    Thanks, I'll ask about extension on my backhand later.
     
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  33. beckham

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    I would say 3.0.
     
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  34. ramseszerg

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    Hm.. not sure why I'm being rated. It's just a tt collective habit I guess? haha

    Two whole levels was a figure of speech, as in I'll improve that much. It wasn't implied that I was talking about NTRP. Canada doesn't even use NTRP, only the USTA does.
     
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    When you put a video on a public forum, it's going to get its share of praise and criticism, whether you like it or not. If someone said, "wow you are excellent, you are def 5.0". Would you mind it as much?

    Giving out an exact rating of a player ican be pretty inaccurate. But, it does give a general idea of the player's level. It's more indicative of a player's ability than anything else.

    Also, you are writing on a tennis forum of a American website. What else would expect besides an American way of measuring and evaluating things? Does England use Canadian way of evaluation? No, right?

    So, when you say about two levels, it just gives an idea of the level you would like to play at. And, a lot of us are going to disagree if you just play 3~4 days a week with 2 lessons and 1~2 hrs of hitting per session.

    None of us is discouraging you. We are just letting you know that it takes that much hard work to improve even a bit.

    Looking at your video, 3.0 is probably harsh. But you are late on a lot of shots. You are off-balance on a lot of freohand. Maybe it was because of wind, but you weren't that off balance on backhand. So I doubt it's the wind.
     
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  36. ramseszerg

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    Yep. My backhand is alot more simple, balanced, and effective than my forehand. One of my coaches pointed out this exact thing and I am working on my forehand right now (on making it as effortless as my backhand). My forehand contact point is often not in front enough too.
     
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  37. junbumkim

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    Well, you are also late on a lot of backhands. Forehand just looks worse because you aren't using your feet to get to the ball and jumping all over the place and arming the ball.
     
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  38. 3lowdown

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    i bet it would be very difficult to give you lessons.
     
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  39. ramseszerg

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    haha no i listen to my coaches. Unless the analogy they are using isn't working for me. eg. hold the ball on the string as long as you can for topspin
     
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    I'm not sure if you are still comprehending what people are trying to say. Going from a 2.5-3 to a 4.5-5 in 4 months has probably never been done before-or at least extremely rarely. People have trained their whole lives to get to a 4.5 type player. Going from intermediate to advanced in a short period of time will not happen. Instead, with hard work, you can look forward to constant progress and hopefully one day you will get to be a 4.5. But until then, you have to train hard and stay comitted. You have a long road ahead of you.
     
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  41. ramseszerg

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    I understand. My goal is to get to 5.0 or so in 4-5 years, not in 4 months. The 4 months of tennis every weekday will be a gauge of whether I can achieve the long term goal or not. And again, "2 whole levels" was a figure of speech, not NTRP related. Sorry for the confusion. But again I know how hard it is to get to the next level. It wasn't even easy for me to get to just where I am now.
     
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  42. TennisPassion5

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    i dont know who that is.. I'm playing very seriously now, 2 lessons a week plus alpha. By September I hope to jump in level by one or two. I'm in Hamilton though. Member of 2 clubs here. I don't think I'm as good as you yet. If my friend uploads some vids to youtube I will post them here.

    This is the post you made in another thread. It's unbelievable with you. At your level, you need to work on consistency and work hard every day to improve. As for the NTRP, leave it alone for now. It is just a number. But please, stop with the unrealistic expectations. You will not get to 4.0-5.0 by September, but keep your head up and be determined to greatly improve. But please, be realistic and have attainable goals that you believe you can reach.
     
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  43. pushing_wins

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    i have not seen anyone significantly improve after the age of 25.

    people that compete in the ota C's compete the rest of their lives in the C's.

    i have only seen 1 player break through in all these years
     
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  44. ramseszerg

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    I won't be disappointed if I don't jump by 2 NTRP levels by September. I just want to see how much I improve, that's all. I don't have unrealistic expectations. If all of you are so used to thinking in NTRP's that when I say I want to jump in 2 levels all you can think about is 4.0 to 5.0, I take it back. Actually I take it back, period. In short, my long term goal: 5.0/Canadian intercollegiate varsity level in 4-5 years, and my short term goal (by September): to gauge whether this is possible at all.
     
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  45. Slicendicer

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    I didn't pick up a racket until I was 26, almost 27.
     
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  46. pushing_wins

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    well
    anything is possible

    u have to get into one of those elite training programs like ace, players edge etc. dont waste your money on rinky dink half assed coaches

    go to one of their try-outs, let them be the judge
     
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  47. ramseszerg

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    Holy ****

    That's alot of time and money. I'll look into them, but keep in mind I'm pursuing a career at the same time.. any others?
     
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    Looks like you are off to a good start. I see a few minor things with each stroke, but since you are not listening to anybody on this forum, I'll let your coaches sort them out. :)
     
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    When you said I want to jump two levels, the only way it could be interpreted is you jumping up two spots on the NTRP scale. But again I repeat to you, people have trained their wholes live to get to being a 4.5+. With inexperience, it is very hard to achieve much in a short period of time. However, 4-5 years does seem fairly attainable, as long as you continue to play constantly and have constant improvement. Each player has imperfections in their game, and correcting one at a time can lead to big things. Be willing to listen to others' opinions and try out new things before sticking to a single thing. Most importantly, it is up to you and how bad you want it. Prove me wrong-hopefully we do see a much better play come September.
     
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  50. rbq4h4

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    i have seen a lot of tennis in my times, i can justly say your a very solid 2.5, maybey a little lower. So it is very reelisitc to see you jump to a 3.0-3.5 in 4 month with 4 different coaches coaching you. I think you can do it.
     
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