My Match Video

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  1. tfm1973

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    Played a singles match last night and took some video. Definitely not my most brilliant highlight reel of a night but I figure it's a start. I haven't really played singles seriously in nearly 10 years but Moz and others have inspired me to give it a go after spending all my time getting fat playing only doubles.

    Wanna at least see how much I can improve. Judging from the video I have lots and lots and lots to work on. :-|

    We had one hour of indoor time and after warming up got about 1 1/2 sets in. I edited out between points but kept double faults and all of the sloppy, sloppy play. I believe I was leading 6-1 and on serve 2-2 when the bell rang.

    Comments and critiques are definitely welcome. Also trying vimeo.com vs youtube.com -- quality seems better on vimeo but slower uploading.

    Cheers!
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    http://www.vimeo.com/850788
     
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  2. Hewitt Aussie

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    it wont let me get into the video because it says it is a private video.
     
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  3. tfm1973

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    thanks hewitt. let me change settings.

    try it now please! :)
     
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  4. CantBeBeat2

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    yeah same for me. private..
     
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  5. Hewitt Aussie

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    geez, you hit the camera a lot. It seems like you can't really keep a rally. You hit a lot of balls in the net. Maybe try to bend your knees more.
     
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  6. CantBeBeat2

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    very lazy. you hit with all arm on every shot, even when you serve. no power what so ever. your just arming every shot. get your legs and hips into every shot. everything should be working together.
     
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  7. NLBwell

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    Looks like you've got a long way to go, but also looks like you have a good foundation to work from. If you can play a lot over the next couple of weeks (weather would be kind of iffy here, don't know where you are). post another video and compare it to the first. Once you have gotten more back in the swing of things, then picking apart your game would make more sense.
     
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  8. Vision84

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    Bend your knees to get down to low balls. You look like I did when I had severe tendonitis in both of my knees. You should bend from your knees and not from the back for low balls where you can. Also I don't see either linear or angular momentum on your shots. As CantBeBeat2 says you arm everything. You want to either go with the modern forehand or the classic forehand. Search around youtube as there are plenty of instructional videos on these.
     
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  9. Passion4Tennis

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    You're both skilled players, and if you haven't played singles seriously in the last 10 years, you look pretty damn good.

    Some of the criticism here is unjustified. You're obviously using more than your arm on the serve. I see bent knees, an arched back, forward momentum, and good results! You're not hitting cream puff serves by any means.

    Sure, you need to try and bend your knees on your groundies a bit more, but I think your biggest problem is that you're simply going for too much at times. Since you're just getting back to playing singles seriously, try to concentrate on the consistency of your shots more.
     
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  10. goober

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    I am not sure if everybody realizes you are the one closer to the camera. But in any case I think your serve is the best part of your game. Your opponent could not handle some of your kickers. Consistency and footwork seemed to be your biggest problem.

    Your opponent was really stiff on his serve, completely arming the ball. But he rarely double faulted. How tall was he? He was pretty good at the net but his groundies were not very good.

    BTW if this you fat what did you look like when you were skinny?:)
     
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  11. split-step

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    His opponent couldn't handle his kickers because he has no backhand.
    He had good volleys though.
     
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  12. split-step

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    To the OP, nice video quality.

    First thing I notice is little or no split-step. Especially after you serve. You stand and wait for the return. THis will hurt you against someone who is not just slicing your returns.

    You however do split step when as you transition to the net so that's good. Interesting that you always do it at net but not at the baseline.

    I actually think you are consistent when you want to be. Your forehand has good net clearance and your backhand slice is pretty consistent.
    I liked the forehands were you really drove through the ball though. It's good that you have the ability to do that as well as loop it deep.

    I also liked the service return you stepped in on. That's where you want to return that serve. Even though you shanked the return, the idea was correct. The serve is not big and is sitting up. You just need to work on the timing.

    I couldn't really see your footwork so can't comment on that.
     
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  13. baek57

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    is there something wrong with your legs? cuz you dont seem to like to use them. when you get more active with your legs, i guarantee a lot of those misses will be eliminated.
     
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  14. JHBKLYN

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    If I'm not mistaken, he double faulted about 6 or 7 times which is a lot for serving only 5 or 6 times. He is stiff when he serves, his left foot is cemented to the ground, it never lifts up, you can't even slip a piece of paper between his sneaker and the floor. Maybe that's the reason why he's can't handle some of the kickers, he has lead feet and doesn't seem to move very well.

    Going by the video, I think I'm going to bet on that woman Cindy to get at least a point if they play their Golden Set match. :)
     
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    Guys thank you for all the comments. I'm the guy wearing the gray shorts and black t-shirt CLOSEST to the camera.

    Definitely the most glaring thing that pops out to me is that I move VERY lazily and hardly ever bend my knees on groundies. Ugh. Probably a combination of my own inate laziness and lack of physical fitness. I LOOK skinny but pack 15 pounds of spare tire and probably couldn't run a mile without taking a break.

    I'm surprised some of you thought I was overhitting or going for too much because I mostly concentrated on keeping balls deep. Definitely wasn't going for many winners. But I need to work on consistently hitting quality groundies and not just getting them back.

    I've been starting to jog and hope if my general fitness improves I can play with more ENERGY - which hopefully translates to a higher level of play. For you single peeps - don't get married and don't have kids. ;)
     
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    glad you noticed that. i did like seeing me creep up and ATTEMPT to punish that weak floaty serve. but yeah the execution left a lot to be desired. timing wasn't there but i guess some part of me remembers that's what i should be doing.
     
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    agreed. my friend served probably 6-7 doubles that night. i think i doubled 3 times or so myself. not terribly great. as for the golden set vs cindysphinx -- LOL! i would bet against me too. in fact maybe i already have and i'll be raking in the dough! ;)
     
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  18. JHBKLYN

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    If the bet was for goose-eggs, then I would bet on you. But if you're just getting back to playing singles after a 10-year layoff, I think you will either double fault or she may get a lucky shot if she just stuck her racquet out on your kick serve. In fact, I bet she gets at least 2 points!
     
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  19. Djokovicfan4life

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    Strange thing is that you guys struggle to keep a rally going, yet you both get decent spin on your second serves! :confused:

    I can keep 20-30+ stroke rallies, but I still don't have a topspin serve, good for you guys! :)
     
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    You both look bored to me. No movement, no energy. Carpe diem people.

    Also out of curiosity, what USTA rating would you give each player?
     
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  21. Vision84

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    I retract my statements. I saw a few points again but I don't have much time so I didn't see more but you hit all of your shots off the camera so I can't comment. Maybe when I have time later to see the whole video.
     
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  22. ramseszerg

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    ok here we go..
     
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  23. westside

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    LOL :)

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  24. f1 tech

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    The guy at the end didn't seem like he was too much into it. The strokes seem lazy. He has a nice second serve.
     
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  25. goober

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    Goose eggs I am going to say yes, golden set no way. Raiden who has an official rating of 3.0 (but I guess is really a 3.5?) got I think three bagel sets out of 5 on her.
     
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  26. raiden031

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    I would consider myself a solid 3.5 after some of the results I've had over the past couple months. I've only lost 1 semi-to-serious match in the past 6 months in either singles or [mixed] doubles and it was to a strong 3.5 in singles.

    There is no way he will win a golden set against her. I played pretty well against her but it was far from perfect and she still won a good number of points (more than the score showed).
     
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  27. Pro Staff Pete

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    The guy you're playing doesn't look like he's enjoying it :/ No effort whatsoever
     
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  28. raiden031

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    Maybe you shoulda specified from the original post which player you were, I can't tell who they are criticizing since the other guy IMO looks much worse than you.
     
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  29. goober

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    Aren't you and TFM going to play? It would be interesting to see those results and maybe a video:)
     
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  30. raiden031

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    yep probably early next week.
     
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  31. tfm1973

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    what rating would YOU give us? :-?
     
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  33. dunlop1857

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    nice playing...

    TMF... MYF (MOVE YOUR FEET!). You guys aren't bad. A little constructive critism... try to keep the ball in play for a couple of shots instead to going for it too soon. Keep your head down, bend those knees, stay on your toes and turn your shoulders... I sound like that ******* high school tennis coach we all had!:)
     
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  34. tfm1973

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    TFM = Try Funking Moving?
    TFM = Toes Formed of Molasses?
    TFM = Tempurepedic Foot Massage?
     
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  35. Fedace

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    Do you guys hit topspin on your backhand side ?? it looks like 99% slice to me. You will find that with proper grip and technique, one handed topspin backhand is just as easy or even easier to hit than slice backhands. I used have 2 hander and with wrist injury, i switched to 1-handed backhand and had problems in the beginning but now i can rip it, almost as good as my forehand nowadays.
     
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  36. Rickson

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    Where is that? Mid west somewhere?


    Btw, try to write mid west as one word, the filter blocks it out for some reason.
     
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  37. boojay

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    I watched about half the video and all I have to say is, in terms of matchplay, you guys are better than 80% of the people who post vids in this section.
     
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  38. split-step

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    I think it does that because of mid west sports.
     
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  39. Rickson

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    Those b-astards!
     
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  40. tfm1973

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    thanks boojay. i think. :)

    you bring up a pretty good point. both my friend in the far court and myself are 4.0 rated players. i've played 4.0 USTA for 15 years in Hawaii Pacific and the Mid Atlantic Section (MD, DC and VA). yes - the same 4.0 rating the entire time. i'm about as benchmark a 4.0 as you'll likely find. and if you go by the USTA numbers we are better players than 80% of people who pick up a racquet - including the people who post on these forums.

    do we have lots of flaws? tons and tons of em. do we have ugly strokes? oh god yes. it's embarassing how ugly they are. :) but we also must have some level of consistency and effectiveness above and beyond what 3.5 and lower typically have. so it might not look terribly good on video but it must be effective.

    i respect and encourage people to post their opinions. it's fun and it makes my boring day at work go by faster. hehe. but i would caution anyone who likes to blast ppl who post their videos here in the forums. if you've never seen yourself play on video before -- it's ENLIGHTENING to say the least. no need to blow someone up just to make yourself feel better.

    cheers!
     
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  41. flash9

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    Nice Job of your Friend

    My comments are more about the video then the level of play.

    I feel after watching the full video, I have a better understanding of your friends level of play then yours. I was able to see clearly your friends serve, forehand, backhand, volleys and overheads. In your case, I really had a great view of your serve, and an occasional volley from behind you. I kept hoping you would switch ends.

    I was a little surprised by the lack of movement for some shots, but again that was more from your friend. He reminded me of one of the Super Seniors on my Mens 4.0 team. Great ball placement and he has nice touch at the net, but I need to pair him up with someone who can cover a lot of ground since he is unable to get drop shots and even defensive lobs over his head.

    Maybe I will see if I can get my daughters video camera and record some this weekend.
     
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  42. Azzurri

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    I was only able to watch around 3 minutes, but I saw enough (I guess). I don't know what to think..was this a normal match for you? Another words, is this the way you normally play? The speed looked a little slow and I think of 4.0 player with more rallies and better foot work. Neither of you are bad players, but I wondered why you guys hit so "lazily". You did mention you thought you saw yourself as lazy, so at least you can be self-critical. That is good. You can take some criticism and learn from it.

    You need some lessons or clinics (clinics are cheaper and you can get the lesson that way). You need a little more oomph on your shots and more "delivered" strokes. Not on all shots, but there are some shots your partner hit you should be able to take a hack at. Seems like you may have some troubles getting topspin? Someone mentioned the slice backhand...those are not really effective (more bite is needed), so try to get yourself a topspin backhand.

    I went through a 3 month clinic and it does help. You get a chance to drill many type shots (FH, BH, etc.). You have some skills to play, but I am surprised to read some people gave you a 4.0, I would rate 3.5 at best (not trying to be to critical, just my honest opinion). I played in a 4-5.0 clinic and you would get beaten pretty badly by all of the players except maybe one...so I don't think you are at their level..don't forget I did not see the whole video, so what do I know.:)

    Are you able to attain a tennis ball machine? Its a good way to grrove your stroke. You won't need a ton of lessons, but just get a few to round out your strokes. You will notice a change in just a few months.

    Good luck and thanks for posting!:)

    The guy in the hat is like a 4.0 (to me anyway). He has a thread too.
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g2OOE6UN5wY
     
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  43. sapient007

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    damn the internet is harsh.
     
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  44. goober

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    Actually TW is mellowing. If he posted this video a year or more ago, he would have received numerous ratings in the 2.5-3.5 range with comments like, "No way is he 4.0" " I can hit better than that and I'm 3.0 at best":)
     
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  45. raiden031

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    Even though TFM has been playing legit 4.0 leagues for 15 years, does that mean you think he actually is a 3.5 and not a 4.0?
     
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  46. boojay

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    Heh, honestly, I didn't mean it as a compliment, it was merely an assessment, but you're welcome to take it that way (as a compliment, that is) because being better than "80% of people who pick up a racquet" is not mediocre by any stretch. You saved me the trouble of elaborating upon my post with your post as I agree with everything in it. I'm glad you can look at yourself objectively though. I definitely think you have plenty of room to improve and will no doubt do so.

    Tanx for da vidz!

     
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  47. Azzurri

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    I honestly don't know what to think. I have seen so many videos lately and I have seen better players ranked at 4.0. I am also in a clinic and you have to "make the team" in order to get in. One guy is decent, but some of us have questioned how he got in (far to inconsistent..one day he hits well and he is reliable, the next he sucks bad..so again, what do I know).

    I have read that the system is different in areas. Cali rating is supposed to be .5 higher than anywhere else (just what I read), so a 3.5 in Cali would be a 4.0 everywhere else.

    Neither was a bad player, but I look at a 4.0 to have some ability to hit harder and have a more grooved stroke. I attached a video and people seemed to have rated the guy in the hat a 4.0 also, so to me that guy is a 4.0. JMO.:)
     
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  48. TNT16

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    Agreed - the guy at the far end has lead feet. Then again he seems to move OK at the net/coming in. Does he always play that way (lazy) or was he tired or something?

    Also he makes a lot of errors on the backhand but then hits some solid backhand winners. Were those winners a fluke or was he off/tired causing the errors?
     
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  49. Babb

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    So the official rating of these guys is 4.0? Their serves are better than mine, but my groundies are more consistent. But then again, you never can tell until you're on the court with them :D

    Great video!
     
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  50. Rafael_Nadal_6257

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    I would say a 3.5...IMHO. That vid posted up there with the guy in the hat is a legit 4.0, of course as ^, I won't know until I play TFM...
     
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