My Math Teacher Just Got Arrested

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    the girl must've needed the extra credit pretty bad.
     
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  3. LOL......:D:D
     
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    Hmm smoked weed, had alcohol and sex with underage girls in a teacher-student relationship. Also had explicit photos of another teenage girl from high school on his computer? Sounds like a great guy that I would want to have my daughter taught by...:confused:
     
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    Meow-that's sad.
     
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    That's very disturbing..:?
    A perv like that teaching young children.
     
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    What is the charge? The age of consent in PA is 16, so he shouldn't be criminally charged. However I agree he should be fired from his job.
     
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    teaching the old school math where 1+1 = 2, and sometimes 3.

    perhaps he'll enjoy the new math just as much in prison where you can't get anything other than 2 for an answer unless there is cutlery involved...
     
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    I agree. The thought of that is just freakin gross.
     
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    He was charged with endangering the welfare of a child and corruption of a minor
     
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    From Wikipedia (Taken from PA code):

    Corruption of minors. (a) Offense defined.-- (1) Whoever, being of the age of 18 years and upwards, by any act corrupts or tends to corrupt the morals of any minor less than 18 years of age, or who aids, abets, entices or encourages any such minor in the commission of any crime, or who knowingly assists or encourages such minor in violating his or her parole or any order of court, commits a misdemeanor of the first degree.

    This charge typically is used only in plead agreements, but not in cases that actually led to a conviction. In the case cited, "coercion by authority" was in play, this was offered to avoid a **** charge. This insinuates that the commonwealth believes that premarital sex is a corruption of morals.

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    Sounds kinda weak to me. Why make 16 years the age of consent if you can still charge adults for sleeping with them?
     
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    I think it has a lot to do with that he was in a position of authority. If it were some 19 year old guy, the charge would not be brought. You also have to remember drugs and alcohol were allegedly present.
     
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    1. The girl in question was accepted early decision to the University of Pennsylvania. Hawkins (the guy being accuseD) was not involved with any letters of recommendation. She received a 98 the first mp in that stat class (when she was not with the teacher).

    2. he was a mathematics genius... best guy at math that I know...

    3. I have no idea whether the marajuana part is true, but in my parts... marajuana is probably more common than cigarettes are.

    4. the girl in question genuinely liked the guy...

    Admittedly, none of this diminishes the fact that he did sleep with one of his students.

    And, believe it or not, a lot of my friends that are going into stat still wish they could have him as a teacher. Guys and girls.
     
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    Uggh! Not even in my drunkest moment......
     
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    Reminds of one of my sketchy english teachers lol...
     
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    Meow was the chic hot or she was pushin a duece and a half.

    There was cornball teacher in My school who was bangin one of the hottest girls around. She was a senoir and he was like 23 so none of us really cared. And yes Im just a bit south of you and weed and underage drinking are very common.

    The guy crossed the line no doubt. But I think at 17 this girl is old enough to make a decision as an adult. He should and will be fired, but it should go no further, unless the other random girl decides she doesnt like him showing the pics of her naked to everyone.
     
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    Hot? Oh yeah. She was a looker alright.
     
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    I'm sure, sounds like a real role model to me. Who would not want their kids taught by a druggie who looks at explicit pictures of young girls and has intercourse with them, as well as letting them drink alcohol?
     
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    I sense Sarcasm. did she look like roseanne barr?
     
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    Since when do drugs affect how good of a teacher somebody is? He knew his stuff, and certainly knew how to teach it.

    As for a role model, he was, and still is to many of us. Yes, his actions outside of school aren't exactly wonderful, but his dedication to his classes was exemplary.

    Here's a pretty good metaphor: Hawkins was a Bill Clinton. Yes, he was that good of a teacher.
     
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    Nope. She was genuine grade A+ material.
     
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    Maybe she has a fetish.
     
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    A math teacher fetish?
     
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    A much older, overweight man fetish. Believe it or not there are some women who find that the more repulsive the sex partner, the better. Don't ask me why.
     
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    Maybe she just finds intelligence or something really really really really really really sexy
     
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    or maybe he is a player. :)
     
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    Hey, you didn't go to Stuyvesant HS in New York back in the 1980's, did you? Because if so, I think you and I are thinking of the same teacher ;)
     
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    some guys got a way with words. He knows what she wants and he gives it to her. That might be that she wants an A but it got him a good time. Its kinda sick and messed up but it gave me a laugh that the guy was an ugly guy.:)
     
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    Hot-damn! Send them to me, CC! Looks like there's hope for me yet!:)
     
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    Haha. Don't cut yourself short....leave that to me in a debate. ;)
     
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    No.

    10 char. lol

    I don't think my English teacher can be any sketchier. A friend of mine who graduated a few years ago went to his house and had vodka with him. That is all I know about that incident. Apparently there is a correlation between amount of bra size and grade as well. Four friends who graduated this year went to his house and played cranium with him and his wife. He isn't a big fan of students with y chromosomes, unless you give him chocolate. His wife is loaded, and it allows him to wear designer clothing and drive a BMW and a really nice volvo, and he lives in a fancy ass house.

    I suppose I'm kinda weird for knowing all that.
     
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    lol....oh, okay. Yep, sounds like your teacher is pretty sketchy. The guy I was referring to is pretty sketchy too....I was in his class one semester, and it sure was a little weird....:
    http://www.nytimes.com/1995/05/19/n...d-after-students-say-he-told-sex-stories.html
     
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    well, if she was as hot as the OP claims, then i would bet alot of money that she had already been "corrupted" by someone else... i bet her parents, who still believed in their daughters purity pushed for the criminal charges.


    ...i could be wrong though...
     
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    He's dedicated b/c his motive is not just to teach, but to impress young impressionable girls. He's a predator and you students are all too easy prey.

    yes, he's a good teacher, that is a talent and a skill...but I'm sure he goes the extra mile to be the funny one, to be the cool one, the one that cares, and makes you wish all your teachers were so great. Why? b/c he see's something he likes and will go the extra mile to get it.
     
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    ^ You obviously don't recall how pitifully ignorant YOU were when you were 17...
    sigh...

    ^ Or maybe... just maybe the girl is screwed up (look into her family life - I'll bet you'll find something tragic). Maybe 'desperately looking for love', etc...
    And the teacher took absolute advantage of his obviously superior maturity and experience and exploited this advantage to his own selfish benefit - and to the girl's detriment.

    ^ Why on Earth do you persist in defending this absolute creep?
    Get out of your little fantasy world and wake up.
    The quality of his teaching skills are entirely and absolutely irrelevant here. Just as irrelevant as are his tennis skills. And his favourite cereal. The guy took advantage of a young girl. He's an absolute creep.
    If you don't get that, you're troubled, as well.
     
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    Oh, definitely. There is something seriously wrong for a seventeen year old to sleep with a man over twice her age. I also agree he was selfish and exploited her. I would be curious to know more about it. I remember seventeen and I knew darn well sleeping with a teacher was wrong. At that age you are hardly a babe-in-the-woods but yet are not 'fully' aware of the ramifications of your actions. I would have to hear both sides before rendering a verdict but it is possible she was attracted to him. Regardless, he knew better.
     
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    If a 17 year old is "aware" enough to be given the responsibility of driving a car, and living on their own at college, then they are capable of consenting to sex with an older man. I don't think its right to even create legislation saying that a 16 year old can sleep with a 50 year old, but then if its a teacher you arrest them for it. That should be handled by the school, not the criminal system.

    In this case I would charge him with 'corruptio of a minor' solely for providing her drugs and alcohol, not for sex.
     
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    Good to know where your threshold is.
     
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    Sounds like the girl was into it. The relationship was pretty consistent. Is a man of his age always considered "taking advantage" if the girl is 17?
     
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    Interesting topic.

    I believe the age of consent in Spain is 13 and in most of Europe it's 16. In the UK it's 16 unless that person is in a position of trust (e.g. teacher) in which cases it's 18.

    Just goes to show that any age chosen to enforce the law is arbitrary and when it varies from country to country is it really just for the country with the higher limit to moralise on the matter (although it is just for them to arrest for it as they determine alone what is just). Obviously there has to be an age chosen but it seems ridiculous to say that one is corrupting a minor at 17 years and 363 days old but not 2 days later.

    What is not really acceptable are the double standards that can be apparent within a particularly country. E.g. in the UK there have been a few instances of female teachers and underage boys getting very light sentences whereas in the opposite instance the penalties are draconian.
     
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    ...and the age of consent in The Vatican state is 12.

    Not altogether surprising I suppose!
     
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    Oh. I would've said "drunkennest", but I don't get a chance to use that word as often as I should. Maybe it's "most drunken". Heck. Just give me a beer.
     
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    [/QUOTE]^ Why on Earth do you persist in defending this absolute creep?
    Get out of your little fantasy world and wake up.
    The quality of his teaching skills are entirely and absolutely irrelevant here. Just as irrelevant as are his tennis skills. And his favourite cereal. The guy took advantage of a young girl. He's an absolute creep.
    If you don't get that, you're troubled, as well.[/QUOTE]

    Why? Because he was a genuinely wonderful teacher, and I respect the **** out of him for his mathematical prowesss and ability to reach out to everybody and teach. I don't condone his actions with the student, but then again, it was her choice.

    I guess what I'm saying is this: Hawkins screwed up- majorly. But that in no way diminishes the fact that he's a wonderful teacher that I will always respect.
     
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    Yeah, whats funny is that when I was in high school, I wished I coulda slept with some of the female teachers. Even now I don't think it woulda been a big deal if I was 16-17 and sleeping with a teacher. I totally get the ethical concerns and respect that, and knowing what I know now I certainly wouldn't do it because it would jeopardize the career and freedom of the teacher.

    In the US even the females get decent prison time, but I feel like its actually the student that coerces the teacher into it, because its more a gender role issue than an age one, IMO. Male usually pursues female and in the case of the female being the teacher, they are the ones charged.
     
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    The crime is that he is a teacher. The age gap is just odd, not criminal.

    As a high school teacher myself, you do see a lot of hot teenage girls. I think it is only human to see that they are attractive, but of course you know it is wrong to have improper relationships.
     
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    pics of the chick or she's ugly =]
    jkjk...I really can't ever imagine a honestly good looking girl in one of these disgusting relationships...I mean, I have yet to run into one in real life.

    Makes me wonder about the kind of stuff that happens outside of NYC
     
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    I remeber there was a female teacher in FL I think. the teacher was super hot and the public reaction was more like good job kid for scoring the hot piece. When the female teachers are ugly and its a dude the reaction is how dare they abuse such a young teenager.

    As a high school senoir it would be more acceptable to be bangin a teacher than a 14 yo freshman. Which happens alot around my way.
     
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    I will not post pictures of her... I don't want to completely ruin her ruptation as I know her pretty well. She still has a very bright future ahead of her, as long as her name doesn't get out there.
     
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    I had an english teacher that was with a very attractive girl from my school that was in his class. The difference was that he played it smart. He waited till she graduated from high school and then asked her out that summer. So even though everybody I know from school thought he was basically preying on her, nothing ever happened to him. He basically dated her for a short time, got what he wanted and then dumped her.
     
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    I hate math and proud of it.
     
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