My New Racquet Dilema

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  1. Chotobaka

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    Not for nothing, but a 4.0 player should not be getting his/her knickers in a knot over racquets, let alone a half ounce difference in racquet weight. What's wrong with this picture?
     
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  2. MikeHitsHard93

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    Totally agree with this. But, I think jack just loves trying new stuff out. I don't blame him! However I don't believe it's going to help him. I think he should stick with the juice.
     
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  3. JackB1

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    yes the specs are perfect except for the 18x20 tight pattern. Also I didn't care for the new feel of the new Dunlop. Hard to explain, but they have a weird and different feel to me that I dislike.
     
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  4. JackB1

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    a 1/2 oz. Is a pretty big difference in racquets, but that's not the point really.
    its more of a stiffness and headsize issue.
     
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  5. Disneos

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    I'd say the pro one 97 donnay is known for their arm friendly racquets, I'm also considering switching to either the 16x19 or 18x20 pattern, though the PB10 mid is also on my possible switch list and might work well for you but that grip shape is .... ehh
     
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  6. Matchball

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    You should definitely try the Yonex Vcore 95 or the slightly lighter version.
    It's a love or hate feel for most ones; I liked it when I tried it for a little.

    Also, I do second the Pro One (I would also suggest the X dual Gold, but it has a thin frame).

    You might want to try the Wilson Pro Tour BLX. If you do your research, you will find a version with a 16x20 pattern, lighter and more maneuverable than the one TW lists. It has an unbeatable price, a Wilson grip and it is not too thin ! I am a little skeptical about the low SW.

    However, it should be fun to hit with it and it does fit your criteria.
     
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    Wilson gut mains with Lxn Alu Rough crosses. I'm open to trying other options, so if you go gut/poly let us know what you try and your thoughts
     
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  8. matchmaker

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    No reason to change racquets for a backhand. What's next, buying a racquet for forehands and serve? Playing with a serve stick and a return stick? Changing racquets when you feel like going to the net?

    I have hit millions of onehanded backhand and never had TE because of that. I have had lot of golfer elbow issues but the backhand was always where it would hurt least, actually it would not hurt at all, even if I couldn't hit a serve without pain.

    Also I can hit a onehanded backhand with any racquet, whether it is a mid, a MP, light or heavy.

    If you really wanna change racquets, look for something that slices well, does not have too high a swingweight (310 to 330), and is headlight (12 to 6pts hl).

    The C10 pro is a good candidate.
     
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  9. monomer

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    I started playing in the 1970's with a 1-hander. I switched to a 2-hander last year. It is finally as reliable as the 1-hander and still improving. My advice is to use the racquet that works best for your FH and serve and is serviceable for your BH.

    The best thing you can do to help your arm if you move to a 1HBH is to play a 12 oz. + racquet. If you don't want to move up to this I don't see a need for you to change racquets. For my 1-hander I prefer a very flexible 18x20 in the low to mid 12 oz. I really like the PT630 and also the Babolat Pure Storm LTD. I got much better results playing with an AeroPro (with some lead) since it improved my FH so much. Not the feel I like best for the 1HBH but I play a spin based game and the results are like night and day.
     
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    Another thing about this that makes it a bad decision IMO. You are switching racquets for your weakest stroke? That is the worst way to go about things.

    You want to do what monomer just said - focus on your serve and forehand. You like the juice and the tweeners because most likely you hit forehands well and feel comfortable serving with it. That juice is going to help you regroove your serve - its light and will get you tons of head speed.

    Id just stay with the juice. Just commit to that stick for as long as possible and you will develop your game a lot faster. I hate switching racquets personally, and even though I have done it a lot, I have slowed down considerably. It is fun for a month or two since things are new, but I also lose that "automatic" feeling and have to get back to that point. If you think of it as lost time, it will help you stay with one racquet longer and you will develop that one hander.
     
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  11. Boredsurfer

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    I didn't read the full thread, but my vote is for the PK Redondo (or PK Black Ace) - graphite, nice flex, STABILIZING MASS for off-center hits (which you will do a lot of until you dial in your 1hbh) and for serve returns - 98 sq inch face (unlike a 95 Prestige Pro) and a 6-7 points HL balance. The 18 x 20 is nice for control on the 1hbh and it slices like a knife when you haven't had time to set-up your feet yet on that side.

    I used to play Prestige Pro but this racket feels like a "Pro Stock" version of a Prestige (but I found the Prestige to play dead in the top of the hoop and especially the YT version felt brassy to me). Soft and heavy but still whippy. Not too powerful - a great BLOCKING racket which you will need as you develop your 1hbh. The pallet is a little rectangular but that's easy enough to fix. I find when I choke-up on the handle on my serve and also on my 1hbh back-hand it's deadly good.

    Seriously, this frame is highly overlooked. All the new racket tech just makes this frame shine more. It loves a bed of full-poly, and the vibes are so minimal @ 52 lbs, sometimes I'm not even sure I've hit the ball :)
     
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  12. JackB1

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    What is this lighter version of the 95D? I have never heard of one? You have a link for more info?

    Also if you have a link for the Wilson racquet you are referring to I would greatly appreciate it as well. I would love to stay with Wilson if I could. There's just not many choices for what I'm looking for in the Wilson line. Thanks for the suggestions.
     
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  13. Boredsurfer

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    Also I'm tired of everyone saying that rackets shouldn't make a difference to how you play. They do.... that's why there are so many different companies and styles. I would never want to hit with A APDGTDPDDPPPGGTT 75 Ra stiffness trampoline!! Get over it people.... you look for a racket that FEELS right, and then you string and customize it till you get it as best you can, and then you leave it alone and play till your knees give out :)
     
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  14. deco0028

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    I agree. I have only been playing 14 months or so (am 49 yrs young now), but have had sons playing a long time, so I have had to become acquainted with racquets, balance, strings,etc. I string our own racquets, and have had to learn to customise them for SW, balance,etc.
    Being a relative newbie to hitting, I actually think I am quite a bit more open to different racquets and their quirks, as I have no preconceived ideas. When I hit my sons' Pure drive Roddicks, I have trouble keeping the balls in, due to their stiffness and my technique, being less windshield wiper than some of the faster swinging players. A heavier racquet with a tighter string pattern gives me more plowthrough for the flatter ball. I could try and learn how to swing with more RHS, but I think it is harder the older you are, although I am pretty fit. The larger head sizes just do not suit my game.
    I currently use the Dunlop 4D 200 Tour, and I really like it, has good mass, and the string pattern in the centre of the string bed is quite tight.
    I think it is wise to demo until you find one that suits the type of swing you have.
     
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  15. monomer

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    I have a PT630 and PT57a. Probably my favorite racquets of all time for feel and control. My match play results are much better with a leaded up AeroPro. Using your logic I should go with what FEELS right and not what gives me the best results?
     
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  16. Matchball

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    My pleasure to help if I can. I love this community of tennis people.

    I will send you the link within the next few minutes.

    As far as the Yonex stick is concerned, I meant this:
    http://www.tennis-warehouse.com/Yonex_VCORE_98_D/descpageRCYONEX-TVC98D.html

    Not exactly a lighter version, the head size changes - but you get the point. I have hit a couple of groundstrokes with it, too. Not bad at all. I understand some people might want higher SW and less muted feel.
     
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  17. JackB1

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    Thought of another good candidate. Dunlop bio 200 Lite. Anyone know anything about that one?
     
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  18. kaiser

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    Jack, in all sincerity this time, what's the problem with a narrow beam if it has the flex and weight characteristics you're looking for? As I said before, I can only see upsides to a narrower beam (spin window, drag, feel), but have only hit with a fraction of the rackets you have tested in your holic years. What do you consider the downside to a narrow beam?
     
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    To second Kaiser's comment, I never liked the feel of most of the MPs I playtested.

    I have been very pleasantly surprised, almost impressed, with the Donnay X-Dual Gold 99. Stable, comfortable, with spin and control. The only "downside" of the narrow beam was that it was getting too fast through the air (!).
     
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  20. gregor.b

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    I have more recently gone with the theory that if I get a racquet 10-20 grams lighter and 1-2 pts head heavier than my preferred weight with a hollow handle, then I can silicone the inside of the frame in the grip and have the weight, balance and extra comfort and feel. Seems to have cured my TE thus far.

    Also allows me to play a little more aggressively due to the mindset that that my frame is more 'arm friendly'.

    Just a little food for thought.
     
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  21. SteveI

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    Hi Jack,

    Still following his thread with interest. You are playing the Juice 100 RA of like 75.. one of stiffest frame I have ever playtested? You decide to try a 1HBH for the 1st time and seem to be getting TE and are now looking for a new frame? Do you take a lesson on how to hit a one-hander? Was it a stroke you played before you made the move to the 2 hander? Am I missing something?
     
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  22. Matchball

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    Good point !
     
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  23. mad dog1

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    Jack, i'm with SteveI...you've attached youtube videos demonstrating your 2 hander. it might be helpful to attach a video of you hitting your 1 hander. if the stroke technique is wrong causing the TE, no stick will help that.
     
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  24. JackB1

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    narrow beam usually means low power. I prefer higher powered racquets.
     
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    yes, I took many lessons on hitting a 1 hander and I know the proper technique. Yes I used to hit a 1 hander when I first got serious about tennis around 4 years ago. My 2 hander has always been just "adequate" and my 1 hander feels much more natural. I have only been back to it for 2 weeks and its already better. For some reason my elbow seems very sensitive to this stroke. I can hit foreheads all day with my stiff Juice with poly, but one late 1hbh and I feel it. I just thought it wouldn't hurt to switch to a more comfortable racquet now that I decided to keep using the 1 hander? Maybe eventually when the stroke is properly honed, it won't be an issue.

    I will try and take a video of my 1 hander soon.
     
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  26. mad dog1

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    Wilson Profile 2.7 OS, Profile 3.6 OS, Prince Thunderstick. the ULTIMATE in high power.
     
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    As I understand it, high beam of itself does not add to power, it's the stiffness that comes with the high beam that adds (slightly) to power. Corners can tell you all about that. Therefore, two rackets with the same stiffness (RA) but different beam heights should have the same power potential (all else equal, of course!).
     
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    I agree with you. But it might be "a little off" at times while I get used to the timing and new contact point.
     
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    correct...its just one part of the equation. But thicker beam means more material....more material + more stiffer material = more power. Its very rare to find a thin beamed powerful racquet. Also MOST racquets with beams under 20 mm are usually advanced "players" racquets.

    A thin beam all by itself isn't necessarily a bad thing.
     
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  30. mad dog1

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    that's why i recommend attaching a video. what you may think is "a little off" might really be off by alot more than a little. you won't know that until you see yourself on video. :)
     
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    some updates on racquet testing....

    played with the Wilson BLX 6.1 95 Team and the Prestige S this weekend...preferred the Wilson. The Wilson is weighted up to 330 g's and 5 pts HL. Very comfortable with decent power and serves were good. Had a bit of a "muted" feel if you slightly miss the sweetspot.
    The Prestige S feels perfect in hand..great weight and balance. Just feels "right" up until I play with it:). For whatever reason I just struggled with the racquet on 2 separate occasions. Switched back to the BLX team and all was good again. Ball impact feels very nice with the S and I wish it played out better for me on the court. Serves were much lower paced and I had a lot of faults serving with it.
     
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    that's very true. I will do some video of my OHBH as soon as possible. Maybe I feel like my arm is straight on impact, but its slightly bent?
     
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  33. mad dog1

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    possible. or your contact point is too far back and you're hitting late. or you're arming the ball. or....or...
     
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  34. SteveI

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    Yup... stated about 30 posts back... If you do not get the racket head out in front on the 1HBH.. you are late and all sorts of bad things happen. Your weight transfer and footwork is very important using one hand.
     
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    More material means more mass and higher swingweight. In fact, most really high beamed rakets have relatively low mass and low swingweight. Indeed, I understand high beams were developed as a way to combine high stiffness with low mass (Wilson Profile rackets?). Both Chris and Spencer gave the Gold99 an 8.2 for power, but the only way to find out if it is powerfull enough for you, is to playtest of course... :)
     
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    you and i are on the same page. i thought it warranted reiterating as the initial mention seemed to be poo-poo'd at the time. :)

    a video of the new 1hbd in action is the best way to see what's going on as i don't believe any racquet is going to be the miraculous fix for the TE issue.
     
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    I told you I will do a video ASAP.

    Nobody ever said the racquet will be a miracle fix for TE. But a more comfortable racquet will do LESS damage on mishits or late hits than a stiff one with poly.
     
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    They are trying to help you...they know you will post ASAP...
     
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  39. mad dog1

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    well here's your problem. the more comfortable racquets are generally the lower RA players sticks that have more flex and lower power which you don't like. since you like the wider beam sticks that offer more power which are also generally stiffer, the best recommendation is to rectify the technique issues. hopefully that makes sense.
     
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    The thread should be retitled - My Technique Dilemma.

    Or for the perspective of Jack's wife - My Financial Dilemma.

    :)

    Wilson Team or Pro Staff 95 will work BTW....

    Or the Juice..or Steam.

    Stay Wilson.
     
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  41. JackB1

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    No $ dilemma at all PP. Only have 1 racquet right now (Juice) and have
    enough credits with TW for 2 new racquets :)

    Now as far as technique goes, that will, NEVER be 100% perfect. I already have a private lesson reserved for this week for my Pro to check out my one hander and my new serve (trying the T. Martin serve).. I want to stay with Wilson...PP, but I think the frontrunners are the Donnay Pro One 97 or the Yonex VCore 95d. I played with the Pro One a while back and it served real nice and was comfortable with good power. The 95d MAY be slightly too heavy.
     
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  42. Fuji

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    When I tried the 95D that thing was stiff as a board even strung with full multi. (RIP Control)

    Just giving you a heads up! :)

    -Fuji
     
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    a doctor tells an obese person that if he/she doesn't address the weight issue, he/she will eventually have serious health problems down the line. the doctor recommends a good exercise regimen and a healthy well balanced diet. the patient says he/she will continue with current habits (no exercise & diet of junk food) because it's not easy to change the current habits and demands that the doc prescribe some meds to address the obesity.
     
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    the technique will never be perfect. just get it fundamentally SOUND first. you can work on improving it little by little over time.
     
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    that's exactly what I'm working on.
     
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  46. MikeHitsHard93

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    Hey jack, I really liked the pacific XForce but the pro version you may like. Very arm friendly and is the weight that you want. 98in head and 57ra
     
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    I love this stick..15MM beam and lots of feel but more power and plow than you would think. I have been using for about 3 months and love it!!
     
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    Yes the XFP is a great racquet and one that I used about 2 yrs ago for a couple of seasons. It's nice and headlite and the sw is manageable for an
    almost 12 oz. stick. Good call!
     
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    Jack, have you given up on the Steam? Just curious; I hope to demo next week and see how it works with my 1HBH.
     
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    No entirely, but my ideal racquet specs have changed slightly with my revent switch to a 1 hander....mostly just needing more comfort. I'm sure
    I will eventually try it out again, but for now I'm not getting a 99s.

    Let us know how things go with you though.
     

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