My serve. 100 + MPH with video and radar

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  1. drakulie

    drakulie Talk Tennis Guru

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    Wow, I had forgotten about this thread. Thanks for the comments. Only difference in the motion you see and my regular motion is the push off the ground. When I did this video I had a tear/bruise in the ligaments in the arch of my foot, which did not allow me to push off the ground and into the court.

    I should update this thread with a vid of me hitting serves with the K90. I'll see if I could do it this weekend.
     
  2. Shashwat

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    Alright, i have to say you have a really nice motion. Its really fluid and your trophy position looks exactly like that of Federer's or Sampras'.
     
  3. LanEvo

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    ill go with that because it looks like i could serve as fast or faster than that
     
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    ^^
    maybe you could?
     
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    lol

    everytime I watch that video again it seems like the ball is going slower ;)

    it's impossible to guesstimate the speed of serves, it really is.Frustrating but true.
     
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    If only radar guns were readily available and cheap.

    I almost replied to a guy on the first page before I noticed how old this was. Goodness!

    PS: I'll echo the angle discussion. Behind shots don't offer a good impression of speed.
     
  7. BeHappy

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    DRAKULIE:

    could you mount the camera in the returners position next time so we can see what a 100mph serve looks like?
     
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    where did you find that radar gun, and how much did it cost? seems like fun for a day to go out and hit some serves with it. will be looking for any new serves with the k90 if you are able to put them up!
     
  9. drakulie

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    This is very true, but typically video (especially after being downloaded on youtube), doesn't translate the ball speed very well from any angle.

    Here you go:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zu4Hw6rp46Q

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FGWip2F_e7M
     
  10. drakulie

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    I got it on the net. Can't remember the internet address. If you look thru the thread I put it somewhere in the first few pages. The price was around 100 dollars.
     
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    Those Portable Rectangular radar gun is just not accurate. Just to prove the point, when i used one of those portable machines, my serve kept on clocking at about 90-95 mph. but when i went to a Major tennis club in town with same gun as ATP tour uses which sits on the wall behind me, my serve was clocking from 98-108 mph. so i lost all confidence on that little portable machine.
     
  12. hyogen

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    I agree it doesn't look like it's being served very very fast... I think I've hit some that fast or even faster. If you check out my youtube videos I think some of the serves look faster. But I don't doubt that it's 100mph--- i mean, plenty of women pro players can serve that fast routinely...why wouldn't a good 6.5 player with very good technique and stiff racquet with small head be able to hit it at least 100mph?

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H_wKkU6tUSM Here's me serving pretty casually with not my full effort into it. furthermore, it's not a flat serve--more of a slice/flat serve. i'm using a 57ra flex racquet. I obviously don't have as good technique..

    the videos I think can be a little decieving.

    drak's video and my video doesn't seem to have a huge speed difference. Anyone wanna guess how fast I'm serving in this vid?
     
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    ^^^90 mph?? Your knee bend is kind of odd, it looks like it start before you bring your right feet in for pinpoint stance. then there is no knee bend.
     
  14. Kaptain Karl

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    drakulie - I'm having fun clicking through the ball hitting the camera frame-by-frame. That's cool!

    - KK
     
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    The one you used picks up the speed at contact, which is why it is faster. The machine I used picks up the speed when the ball approahces the net>>> so the ball has lost some speed. The speed of my serves according to a formula used by maverick 1 and Mike Cotrill was around 113-115 mph.

    They used the video I sent them to count the number of frames that passed from the time of contact of racquet to contact on the ground. Additionally, they factored in distance, etc. (I think they are engineers). They posted their formula as a sticky in the tips section.
     
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    Wasn't too much fun when I realized the ball was going to hit the camera. I'm surprised it didn't break. :)
     
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    Thank you for the explanation, you are truly WISE as always. 115mph ??, that is not bad for an old man. Did you serve in 130's when you were in your prime ??
     
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    Here is a vid that shows a better perspective of the speed of the serve. Remember, the radar is on the floor on the opposite side of the net. By the time it picks up the speed of the ball, the serve has already traveled well over 40 feet, so it has lost a lot of steam.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OjBOV9zsrps

    Here is a topspin serve:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1cH4w0H1V5c
     
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    You are too funny! I will see you in the seles/graf debate. :)
     
  20. Federer's pet goat Leanne

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    Hmm from the looks of those vids, the topspin serve seemed to have lost less pace than the flat serve.

    Would you think that the topspin serve is traveling faster after the bounce than the flat serve? If so, would it be because the topspin is causing the ball to "cut" through the air better than just a flat serve?
     
  21. drakulie

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    ^^ Nah, a serve with more spin loses more pace, especially after the bounce than a flat one.

    It probably looks that way to you because of the angle. On the flat serve, the ball is traveling away at an angle from the camera. The Topspin serve, the ball is coming in directly over the camera.
     
  22. ryohazuki222

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    looks a lot like a foot fault........
     
  23. power_play21

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    either way i hate returning your serves down the T on the deuce side lol.
     
  24. sharpy

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    True, but definately is less deceiving than still screenshots like the ones you like to post in your threads.

    I remember when you posted the screenshots of your serve, i thought you had a pro serve....

    one thing you can't tell about drakulie is that he is hitting good action on the ball
     
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    How come you dont have your follow through go across your body? After you pronate and your arm comes down it just stops there on your right side.
     
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    Actually...there's an article on tennisplayer.net that explains why Sampras' second serve was so effective. It states that because it had so much more spin, than that of other players, it traveled faster after the bounce. But I still doubt that it would be enough to exceed the speed of your first serve [after the bounce].
     
  27. redsoxrock930

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    the serves don't look like there 100 + but when you watch a baseball game the pitches also don't look like there going 95
     
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    I've got some invisible videos of my serving at 150 mph. They're all in reverse double night vision but I assure you they're the fastest in Dream Land.

    I aced Peter Pan like 50 times.
     
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    that's a pretty nice court you have there. I guess it isn't lit...
    where is it? Is it yours in your backyard??!
     
  30. drakulie

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    My bad shoulder, and I put a lot of topspin on the ball, which re****s in a follow-thru on the right side.

    Impossible. It is a well known fact the ball loses speed after the bounce. Perhaps they were speaking reltive to other servers; ie: his serve doesn't lose as much speed as other players.

    Yeah, those are the courts where I use to live. Where I now live there are 23 courts. It is a tennis club. I've moved to bigger and better things. :)
     
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    ^^^ Wow, I thought you died of shame from lying about playing ITF and being so awesome, and being exposed for being full of ^%$@.

    Did you log onto your old account and post by accident?

    J
     
  32. HappyChappy

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    post some vids of your serve with the k factor drak

    any improvement in speed?
     
  33. drakulie

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    ^^^ I was going to do it this weekend as someone else had requested it earlier. However, I may be out for a while. Next week I have to have an MRI done to find out if I have a herniated disk in my neck.

    Right now, my back and neck are in agony, and I keep losing sensation in my left arm.
     
  34. Kaptain Karl

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    Hey, drakulie, I know from the other thread you have a herniated disk. What'd you *do*???

    Oh yeah ... follow orders and get well fast.

    - KK
     
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    i have the same speedchek radar. it works great, very consistend w/the speeds. i hear from my friend who has served 120mph in a fast serve contest that it is actually faster than what the speedchek says. My personal fastest was 105mph w/the same speedchek. If you really wanna increase your serve speed on that machine use some new dunlop championship tennis balls. they're the fastest off the racket from my experience.
     
  36. AlexP

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    Serves are a little deceiving as is. I playtested a few of the new microgel frames yesterday, mostly the prestige pro and hit a few serves with it with radar, my fastest were in the 90's but there were a few that looked like they had more pace on them but ended up in mid 80's.

    Anyways, this thread kind of exploded but nice serves.
     
  37. drakulie

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    Hey KK, thanks!

    I'm not sure if the disk is herniated yet. I have an MRI scheduled next week.

    How did it happen? I honestly don't know. I woke up last Wednesday in severe pain, and it progressively got worse. It got so bad that I lost feeling in my left arm for over two days, which is why the initial diagnosis is a herniated disk in my neck.

    And yes, I'm following orders>>>>> lots of muscle relaxants, anti-inflammatories, and pain medication. Woohoo! :)
     
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    Sorry to hear about your injury. Best of luck on having a good/quick recovery!

    I woke up about a month ago with a weird pain on the side and back of my neck also. I went to a chiropractor and he cracked it around, but it didn't seem to make much of a difference. I basically just had to stop playing for a couple weeks and not do anything. Even now, I still get a spasm here and there. It freaked me out because I didn't feel like I did anything specific to injure it, and it hurt like hell! A sprained ankle or broken wrist is painful, but I can deal with that. However, the pain in my neck and back was horrible because I could never get comfortable.

    Getting old sucks dude... and we're not even close to being at the age of decrepity like KK is! ;)
     
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    Hey! Come over here, you ... whippersnapper!!! I'll rap you on the head with my cane!

    - KK
     
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    Hey guys, where can i get a good speed gun, i have searched over e-bay and found that the most common is the bushnell but it can measure maximum 110 mph, i found that a low level, where can i found a gun with better max speed?
    Thank you!
     
  41. Jonnyf

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    Bushnell measures up to 200mph, theresa pic on this board of a poster having 120mph measured on a Bushnell. Andy Murray also uses a Bushnell when training in Roehampton
     
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    Drak - nice serve! Your new toy seems like it could be addicting. Yo have to post something when your foot is better.:mrgreen:
     
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    drak, how you doing man? are you back in shape yet?
     
  44. Mike Cottrill

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    Can you please post the link? The hand held Bushnell I have seen is only rated to 110mph for baseball/tennis etc. The higher rating is for cars. The one I have seen is junk. Will not take readings half the time and will not read anything over 100.
    Thanks
     
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    the serve was "juuuuuuuuuust" back...LOL
     
  46. ananda

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    forgive the silly question, have been watching the ball in full screen.

    what am i missing ?
     
  47. Jonnyf

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    Hi, heres the pic that the Tw mid-atlantic group took
    http://i179.photobucket.com/albums/w302/shcmad/5-13.jpg

    and here's the picture of the gun being used to measure Andy Murrays serve
    http://l.yimg.com/www.flickr.com/images/spaceball.gif
     
  48. Mike Cottrill

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    Thanks Jonny,
    Your second link only shows a blank.

    The first picture looks like the same one we tried. We must of had a dud and it did say 110 max for baseball and tennis. The guy actually sent it back for repair as it was dead on arrival and when he got it back (he is not sure if it was a new one or the same), it worked but not very well. I was hoping to compare it to the video serve speed calculator. Oh well.
     
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    All this radar serve talk made me curious enough to ask for one for Christmas. I've often been asked how fast my serve is, but I never had it clocked so I would reply I don't know, but I would guess around 100mph. Well today my radar came and I went to the courts to see how well I could actually do.

    My first serve out of the gate with no warm up was a smoking 87mph. I was a little disappointed. If felt harder than that. My fastest on the day was 113mph. I did hit one at 115mph that clipped that tape but didn't go in.

    The best part of having the radar is that the feedback from it is much better than feel. I've often suspected that the softer feeling serves are actually harder, but I've never been able to verify it. Today with the radar it was very easy to verify. My fastest serve felt pretty much effortless.

    I think this will be a marvelous tool to work on my serve with. The other thing I found out is that a serve with heavy spin at 90mph is much better for me than a serve with no spin at 110mph.
     
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    ^^^Damn, this thread keeps going, and going. LOL I need to post another vid serving with the K90, however, I recently started playing with the I prestige mid. Oh well.

    Anyway, Kevo, I agree with your post. Typically, the guys who "muscle" their serve have slower readings than the ones who look like they are not trying.

    And even "spectators" fall into the trap/illusion that the guy who is muscling his sevre is really getting it up there on the radar.

    Also, serves with more spin are typically harder to return, and as a result are more effective.
     

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