My serve. 100 + MPH with video and radar

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  1. boojay

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    you've confused me. The radar was placed behind the net (by a few inches, maybe 3) and then he served dozens of serves and his highest registered at 119 mph. Not sure how that can be misunderstood.

    I'm guessing his true service speed (right after contact) is closer to 130 mph.
     
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    LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! As I said before, he doesn't have a clue.
     
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    Bill instead of saying he doesn't have a clue, why don't you bring some clarity to the situation, otherwise it looks like you don't have a clue.
     
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    LOL :p
     
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    the joke's not really funny if you're the only one who gets it
     
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    Duzza is pretty cool. A few other Aussies as well. I just think the haters are jealous, regardless of nationality.
     
  7. lzclzclzc

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    hey drak,
    can you record from the receiver point of view next time you go record your serves? thanks
     
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    here are a few, or did you mean you wanted to see it from the opposite baseline.

    These are with the camera at the net. Mind you, I took these while the arch on my foot was still bruised. They were all recorded at over 100.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7SBNjkWFbzE

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NTYsI6hBrTU

    Here is a heavy topspin serve. Note: the radar was placed on the opposite side of the net, halfway up the T, so the 84 mph is not accurate. It is probably more in the mid 90's as this radar picks up the speed of the ball as it approaches the radar, rather than at contact.
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1cH4w0H1V5c
     
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    LOL, spoken from a true know-nothing 3.0 player that can't find his way out of a paper bag. Yeah, I don't have a clue, but boy you do. LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
     
  10. jackson vile

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    Dunh dunh duhn super moron here to ruin another post:rolleyes:

    I feel sorry for old people like you, you are a loser in life so you try to make yourself feel better on these boards by picking on KIDS:rolleyes:

    No honor at all, you are pathetic, hope you enjoy the karma you reap, you get what you deserve after all;)
     
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    I was suprised that his service speed was that high that far away from the hit, what level does he play?

    Amazing to be able to hit 130mph day in and out, I would like to see video of his strokes, Drak's serve looks very good and he uses the right racket and is around 115mph right? Very rare Roger goes into the 130's.

    Do you not think it is specail or amazing that he could get those speeds?
     
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    Drak have you attempted to get your speeds any higher? It is just fun and amazing to see how fast people can serve, I am will to bet that I would not get that high that is for sure, not sure if I would drop $100+ on a radar gun either LOL

    Have you tried adding any lead to the nose of the racket, I tried out Travlers theorys and it worked great! IMO and other people that were there it was around 10% faster and that was just the first day, spin was a heck of a lot better, more of the higher speed serves stayed in.

    Just some thoughts
     
  13. lzclzclzc

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    thanks drak, that is some nice kick on the last one
    yea, i wanted to see it from the opposite baseline
     
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    Not right now. I haven't played a match in about a month. They day I did all these videos, I did them because a couple people on these boards could not believe I could reach a 100 mph. Others were skeptical I probably couldn't even hit with a PS 85. So, with bad foot and all I decided to just video myself with the radar.

    However, I don't really worry about hitting 120 or 130. I put a lot of spin on both serves, and for the level I play, with the combinaton of spin and speed I already have, it is good enough.

    120 MPH or above I would absolutely have to see to believe. Most pros don't hit that MPH consistently.

    I put about 3 inches of lead at 3 & 9, although I have no clue how much weight that adds. I added the lead for added stability on the ground strokes.

    I simply added tape until I got the feel I liked. :)
     
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    I'll see if I could hit in the next few days, and place the video camera on the opposite fence.
     
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    I certainly do think it's a amazing, but he's also the no. 1 ranked player in the province, so I don't find it that shocking that he can hit such a big ball. Moreso than his serves, I'm more impressed by his footwork, positioning, and groundstrokes. Beauty to watch.
     
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    I'm looking at Bungalo Bill's age in his profile and I find it very hard to believe.

    THAT.........must be the joke.
     
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    Oh okay, you did not say thatLOL It seemed as if he was just another guy or something, nothing special LOL LOL


    Now I see, heck yea you gotta be good then, so his highest is around 130MPH then, correct?

    That makes a lot more sense, it must be very cool that you get to interact with this person, I'd be asking a lot of questions and wanting some practice time LOL:mrgreen:

    If those are the people you are around I'm sure you are very good yourself?
     
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    No it is true, he is just a jaded old man, bad stuff happend/happens in his life and he looks to take it out on anyone he can. Enjoys talking down to kids and other BS a waste of time really.

    You would think an adult that age would have some classLOL
     
  20. boojay

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    heh, my bad.

    actually no, I'm not that great. The top 20 or so players of this club (not even the province) could probably mop the floor with me. I just played in my first 5.0 tournament and played the no. 2 seed (no. 3 player in the province) in the quarterfinals. He crushed me 6-0, 6-1. The lone game I won was on my serve. It was super fun though. I've never seen balls come at me that fast before. I say minimum 120 mph first serves, it was insane, but soooo much fun and I learned a great deal. Next time we play, if we ever do again, I plan to get closer and closer each time. Tonight's the final and I'm probably gonna go watch if I can. Hurt my back so I slept for like 15 hours last night :D

    P.S. I dunno if he was serving 130 mph. That'd be my guess though. You'd have to do the math based on what the reading was with the radar placed at the net, how far in front the radar reads, the angle of his serve, etc., etc., you get the idea. We don't even know how accurate this radar is. It's pretty consistent though.
     
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    Wow good for you, sounds to me you are really good. For me the faster the game goes the better I play LOL But the bad part is when it goes that fast you can lose really fast LOL

    You should get you video camera and record something! Does not have to be of you but of any of these great players, thanks
     
  22. derTeufel

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    I haven't read all the posts in this thread but I have a question about measuring the speed of a serve. At what point of the ball's trajectory is the speed measured on the pro tour? Obviously air resistance will slow the ball down, so is the speed measured at the time it leaves the racquet when it's the fastest? Or when the ball crosses the net?
     
  23. boojay

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    holy shytes! just found out the guy i lost to (no. 2 seed) got beat in the semis. The finals is in one hour (no. 1 seed VS guy who beat no. 2 seed). I'll see what I can do.
     
  24. lzclzclzc

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    hey boojay, can you post some vids? of the match
     
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    Pros serves are measured at contact.

    The serves in this video were measured a little after contact.
     
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    Boojay, you are getting a little carried away. Pros, don't do what you are saying 5.0's in your club are doing (hitting 120 mph serves).

    Fact is, the majority of 5.0's can't consistently hit 100. They usually are serving in the 90's with good placement and spin.

    In addition, there has not been that many pros in the history of the sport who hit 130 mph.
     
  27. jackson vile

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    Great I can't wait to see the game!
     
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    drak, i need help with my serve.
     
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    boojay,
    Are these 120+ mph serves, hit with crazy, wild, out of control
    motions that can only go in 1 out of 30 at best?
    Just my observation, but every additional 5-10 mph increase in
    speed past a 100 gets harder and harder to get. (and also
    harder to return). (e.g. it's a lot harder for me to return
    against a 120 mph serve vs. a 110 mph. actually both
    are hard! since I rarely see many that fast)
     
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    I never said he served it at that speed consistently. That's his fastest. Similarly, I can't serve 111+ mph everytime, that's just my fastest so far.
     
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    You crying again? :) I mean come on, you put all these smileys in your post but underneath you are fuming. I got you out of your game and it is so easy!!!

    Come to the darkside, I can feeeeeel your hate. :)

    LOL, so you call me a loser, old, pathetic, a super moron, but yet you are the one that tells me I shouldnt do the same? Aren't your words PERSONAL? LOL, I am so hurt!

    Hilarious!

    {{{{{{{{{COME TO THE DARKSIDE}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}
     
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    What's wrong with your serve? Explain? Maybe I could help a little.
     
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    that wasn't you! it was your evil twin brother! or maybe I got mixed up:p
     
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    You almost killed the radar with one of the other serves and now you killed the camera lol. Hope the camera is okay. Classic.
     
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    That's pretty funny! Can't believe you hit the camera. How did
    you attach it to the fence to keep it from falling even after
    the ball smacked it?
     
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    Firt serve I recorded and it smashed the camera LOL. What luck!

    Anyway, this is the camera I use to take the vids and pics:

    [​IMG]


    Since it is flat, I use rubber bands on each end of the camera to loop it onto the fence. So It was fairly secure from falling. I just thought when I hit it, I smashed the lens. However, it is still functioning perfectly, as you could see from the other two serves I recorded.

    The camera actually takes awesome video. Very, very clear. When I download the video to my computer the quality is awesome. However, the sound and quality are horrible when downloading it to youtube.
     
  38. onehandbh

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    That's a pretty cool camera. The images look great.
    What do each of the duel lenses do?

    I used a digital still camera as well, but
    my lense comes out when I turn on the camera so if it got hit it
    would probably be the end of it, so the only way I could have a receiver's
    point of view video is either with a person holding it or having it setup
    behind the fence.

    I have the sony p150 camera. It's great during the day but once you
    need a flash it isn't as good. But it does take 30 fps video.
     
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    One zooms in for closer range, and then it automatically switches to the longer range zoom.

    The video it takes is co clear, in lots of cases much better than actual Video cameras. I can't remember who told me, but they said this camera takes much better quality video than his actual Video camera.

    That is why the "action shots" actually look like photos and come out very clear. The action shots are taken from the video itself. If I took one frame from a video and made it into an action, it would be very large and crystal clear, as if I had taken an actual photo.

    It also makes coloring book photos from video like this one:

    [​IMG]
     
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    Here is one frame from a video I made into an "action shot". The camera was attached to the side fence, which is pretty far away. Still, even without using the focus, and zooming in, it is a very good picture. This camera is definitely a cool little toy.

    [​IMG]
     
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    Damn, man, Love how you got the hips forward, shoulders angled back. Too bad you are using a wilson or I would say you got a decent serve :p
     
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    AWESOME drak thanks again
    can you say BULLZEYE, hope ur camera is alright
     
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    What's wrong with Wilson? PS 85 is an awesome racquet. But, to each his own right? All racquets are good! Except Volkls. Volkls are horrible!

    :)
     
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    yeah, the camera is OK..... Works fine. I was cursing you a little though LOL.

    Although you can't see the spin of the ball on a video, at least you could see the end result of putting a lot of spin on the ball. That's a pretty high bounce to be hiitng the fence so far away and so high.

    What were you interested in seeing related to the serves from the receivers point of view? Just curious.
     
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    Not as much as that it is a Wilson, but the fact that it is an open string pattern racquet! If I ever take over the world (estimated 7 years), I would ban all open string pattern racquets, and force anyone who is caught with an open string pattern to use a babolat!
     
  46. lzclzclzc

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    the spin and pace on the ball.
    because once i was a ballboy for the GHI Bronx Classic(in bronx, ny), it was like a challengers or something like that with pros that are just outside the top 100s. and basically i saw the pros receive serves and it amazed me how much spin was on the serves. There was so much spin or watever it was that the ball looked crushed on the top and bottom. and the balls just popped up so high
     
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    So from the videos how did I do compared to those guys? LOL

    I know what you mean, but you will not see that picked up on video. Even on TV, people don't realize how much spin is on every serve seen-including first serves. It is ridiculous.

    Although you can't tell, on my serves, especially with the ones I hit with lots of spin and pace the ball looks something like this: () rather than this: O

    When you were a ballboy, from where you were positioned, could you hear a buzzing sound when the ball neared you?
     
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    First, be thankful I LET you rule Canada.
    Over the world? 7 years? No. Not going to happen.
    Maybe I can give you the rest of North America, but you gotta bride me big time, and I gotta be with a VERY good mood that day ;)
     
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    I knew you just wanted to marry me :D
     
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    you look pretty good, obviously not as good as the pros that are just outside the 100s. but your prolly better in person than on home mad videos.
    i was position a little to the left of the server, and i believe that serve was to his left hand side. not quite sure about the buzzing sound but the main thing i remembered was that the ball has a ton of spin on it and it kick up super high. it would've been better if i saw ur serve in person mayb i could see that spin, of course i would need someone to return the ball or block it back cuz i certainly dont want to get hit by a 100mph serve.
    and i remember his serves were like flattened on the top and bottom. its like () but rotate it 90 degrees.
     

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