My Serves

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  1. Topspin Shot

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    @Topspin Shot: Man, with that serve, you should be able to hold all your serve games! Good stuff!
     
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  3. TeamOB

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    On the Kyrgios/Thiem/Zverev bandwagon!
    Great serve. Your motion looks a bit unusual (that back arch is a bit extreme especially on the kickers), but it obviously works pretty well for you. I really wouldn't wanna be on the receiving end of those!
     
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  4. crash1929

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    nice work. have you improved lately or are you making progress? you have a huge back bend. is that safe? necessary?
     
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    I've been on the receiving end of those serves before. Some of the first serves were approaching 120 then. These look to be a bit faster.

    Gotta say that those balls felt like bricks when they don't hit the sweet spot. Very jarring to say the least.

    Nice looking serves. You have been improving.

    Harry
     
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  6. Topspin Shot

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    Thanks! (Not sure I can hold that often though. :))

    Thank you. Yeah, I lean back a lot.

    I'm really trying to take my serve up a notch this summer. Coincidentally, I'm the same age Jeff Salzenstein was (summer after freshman year of college) when he says he beefed up his serve. I'm not as good as Jeff, but I want to get more free points on my serve. The lean back has always just happened with me. I don't try to do it; I think my body's just flexible in that direction.
     
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  7. Topspin Shot

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    Thanks Harry! Everything going well with your game?
     
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    Your back arch looks a little violent in some of those, but you bring some very nice pace.

    As far as the speed check, if you want to use the online speed calculator you need to get the camera speed and the frame count from racket contact to court contact. Also, you need to estimate the linear path from contact to court. If you watch the video in quicktime, it is easy to just step thru the video and get an estimate from racket to court contact.

    The good thing is that we can get a pretty clear view of where those land. About how high above the court do you estimate you're making contact?
     
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  9. Topspin Shot

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    I don't really know about my contact height. The fence behind me is 10 feet high if that helps.
     
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    OK, I'll just estimate it. Looking at your last serve shown (flat serve 2) and throwing it into my linear calculator, I get a 58.16' distance (I assumed contact at 8.5' and that the ball landed a foot from the center mark and a foot from the line, I also assumed you were about 1.5' into the court at ball contact) If you get a frame count on that serve you can just plug it into the calculator with that distance and it will give you a decent estimate, imo.

    I realize some people don't think it is very accurate, but I think it will give us a general idea of how much heat you are bringing.
     
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    That's a really nice serve. The insane back bend kind of reminds me of my technique. If you find you are struggling with consistency on flat serves the extreme bend may be somewhat responsible. If so a tip I found is to concentrate on keeping the shoulders stable on the takeback and trophy, as this makes a more stable base, which allows higher consistency.
     
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    Looking good man. Looking good.......
     
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    Those kickers are nasty! I love the flats too but your kicker really stands out to me. Well done!
     
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    Hey Topspin Shot! Nice serves! Man they're fast.
     
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    Thanks for the tip. Those flat serves go in less than half the time, but most of my first serves aren't that flat.

    Thanks guys!
     
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    Gotta admit, you have upped the ante, those first serves looking faster than 115.
    Congrats!
    Seems, older I get, the less fast serves I have in my tank. Now down to less than 20 a day.
     
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  17. LeeD

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    Topspin Shot...
    What did you do different to really improve your serves?
    Did you grow?
    Did you fill out?
    Did you get stronger?
    How is it what seemed like a 107 serve before now looks closer to 120?
    Did you USED to just hit spin serves all the time?
    I want your secret, so I can improve my serve on the left coast like you did to yours.
     
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    He's getting a lot of weight and movement into the court because you see him running after the serve. I found I hit my best serves when I serve and volley because all my momentum goes forward rather than up and down.
     
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    He definitely grew from last year for sure.

    Harry
     
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    Darn!
    I"m shrinking instead.
    21 is a good age to be for tennis. Stuff coming instead of going away. Looks like we're finally going to have a regular poster with serves over 125. Not average, but fastest possible.
     
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  21. Topspin Shot

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    I grew an inch or so, got a year older, and spent a ton of time improving my technique.

    Haha, that's not it really. I was running because I had my cell phone on a makeshift tripod (really a ball hopper), and the phone only takes very short videos. So I started the camera, sprinted to the opposite baseline, hit a serve, and sprinted back. :)
     
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  22. Topspin Shot

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    I'm 19, not 21, but thanks. :)
     
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  23. LeeD

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    Good stuff anyways.
    Appears your increase service swing speed is linked to you growing and filling in just a bit.
    I always thought around 25 was the strongest age for most players.
    Guess Matt Lin's serve is starting to get faster, as he fills in a bit.
    How fast does your DAD serve?
     
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  24. Tight Lines

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    Topspin Shot,

    The first serves look to be 120-125. The second serves are in 90-95 range. Well done.

    I hope to practice returning your serves again soon :mrgreen::mrgreen:

    Harry
     
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  25. Topspin Shot

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    Maybe 65 mph. He doesn't play tennis. :)
     
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  26. Topspin Shot

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    Good stuff. We'll get it on! :)
     
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    Good stuff....
    I was looking at a picture of my Dad when he was 43. He looked much older than I do at age 65.
    Guess the older generation didn't keep up their physical fitness like the modern generation.
    I know a few guys older than me who are quicker and faster, but very few.
    Timed out a current spider drill at 19.2, using my new AsicsGelSpeed shoes. Tapping each intersect using my bad left foot, like needed in tennis play.
     
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  28. shindemac

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    O Snap! What A Monster Serve! Keep Up The Good Work!
     
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    Nice serves! And it seems that you can do that consistently, right?
    Like people here I was amazed by your back bend as well.

    Too bad, no camera close up from the back, or the side...
     
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    I can get the serves in consistently with those levels of pace and spin. Flats about 50% (though I'll put a little spin on them to get half in) and kicks about 90% (assuming I'm trying to get them in and not being aggressive with them). My overall first serve percentage is about 70% because I hit a lot of spin first serves. I still need to work on placement and variation though; I can put the ball on the returner's forehand and backhand without any trouble, but I'm not like some guys who can paint the lines. Those are the ones who get a lot of aces, and I'm not there yet.
     
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  31. LeeD

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    Strive for 3 quadrants, each of your serves except the twist/kicks.
    Forehand, backhand, dead center into the body.
    1st and second serves.
    Then, when you encounter someone like the President, who eats up high bouncing serves, use a pure slice serve to bounce it mid thigh high and confounding him.
     
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    I thought you were serve and volleying! :)
     
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    At least. By 25, when he really hits stride, I think we'll be seeing world records. They are nice.
     
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    Can someone do frame counts on those serves? If someone can, I can at least plug some numbers into the speed calculator and get estimates. I know the calculator isn't considered credible by many, but at least it would give us estimates.

    If I had the raw video, I could do it quickly in qt. However, I can't seem to frame-by-frame in utube. I get a jump of 4 seconds or something each time I try to do it.
     
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    Really solid serving.

    Not to harp too much more on the violent back bend, but be careful your "flexibility" doesn't lead to injury.
     
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  37. Topspin Shot

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    Maybe this will work? http://rowvid.com/
     
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  38. WildVolley

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    Yeah, that worked, but I'm not certain about the frame rate I'm seeing.

    If I plug that into the calculator with my 58' estimate and about 11.5 frames assuming a 29.9 frame rate, I get an initial speed of 121mph.

    Anyone else want to plug the second flat serve in and see if you get the same frame count I do? There's a weird blur around the time of court contact, which may be due to the ball sliding on the court.
     
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    Top spin. How tall are you?
     
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  40. Topspin Shot

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    I've thought of myself as 5'10", but a few people recently said I've grown a bit, so maybe 5'11" now.
     
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    Same height as Matt, Kohlshreiber, Hewitt, so upper limit is 139, so there is room for improvement.
    TimLincicum is also around that height, up until his late 20's, could throw a baseball in the mid 90's. Now 30, lowest barely 90's.
    Enjoy your youth.
     
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    Very impressive! Awesome job!
     
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    Looks like Max Mirnyi's without a step up.
     
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    Just now saw these, really good stuff. Much better serves than what I've seen before, keep it up :)
     
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    Wow, these serves are huge. LeeD, you have to help me to serve in that range! Might be in Berkeley next week.
     
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  48. Topspin Shot

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    Thanks Bob. How's your serve/game coming along?
     
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    The only thing I read is " I have video footage" and "He said he's coming back next week haha". Time to get a good camera. :) EDIT: Especially a good video of that serve. I find good (if possible) slow-motion HD videos of his serve are lacking.
     
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    I am having huge problems with my serve toss and I'm not sure what to do... I need to throw a video up and see what everyone has to say. But otherwise I feel I'm improving... Hitting through the forehand more has really helped. Now that I'm back in town I guess I'm due for a video lol

    Also a question: What's your preferred first serve? With a kick serve like that I wouldn't even bother with the flat one lol
     
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