My stringing woes and adventures

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  1. Irvin

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    Didn't you just get a Stringway auto drop weight? There is no bar to level.
    Should be spot on but a calibrator would not hurt.
    Poly will be harder to weave thought the crosses because it is stiffer and should be strung at lower tensions. Poly also can be harder on the main strings as some will notch the mains pretty easier
    Good luck in your tourney.
     
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  2. djNEiGht

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    I have the Gamma flying clamps and it appears to hold the syn gut fairly well with out damage to the string. I did my 1st multi (tier one triumph) this past weekend and I saw what I believe is called ghosting. It is a clear string unlike NXT Tour or X1BP that is white.

    Please explain what you mean about it being "easier to lift the arm rather than go down."?

    thanks
     
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  3. djNEiGht

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    Yes, you are correct. I'm just wondering if the markings on the drop weight are correct. I'm lining up the bottom part of the weight on the corresponding number. Racquet tune says it is at times 7#s less than setting on the drop weight. I understand there is tension loss but wonder if it's that much or if my skill is still in it's infancy.

    I did a multi string job this past weekend and the racquet tune says it was less but not as much as the loss in tension when compared to the syn gut. If I understand it correctly, mutli is suppose to have better tension maintenance than basic syn gut.

    Thanks for the well wishes...I hope my stringing improves so can only fault my game if I go out in the 1st round.
     
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  4. Irvin

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    It would not hurt to check it but my guess is that it is going to be really close. When rabbit was talking about starting from the bottom rather than the top he was talking about a drop weight not an automatic drop weight like the Stringway. If you start from the top and can get it level you have to start all over again if you start from the bottom you just keep inching up until it is level. With a Stringway none of that matters start from the top.
     
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  5. djNEiGht

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    1st ATW

    I worked on my Mizno Turbo Pro last night using Volkl Classic Synthetic (Gold 17). Stringing started at the throat and ran into an issue when I started the crosses. I found myself on the long side with my last main finishing at the throat. I tied off and proceeded to do a x2 piece.

    It was a late night and I was upset that I was in the dog house with the wife being put out on the couch...so maybe my senses where not as clear...another story...

    It's a bit foggy but I think I ran into problems trying to find the tie off when finishing the crosses. A shop did a hybrid for me on this stick a few years ago but I didn't pay attention to the pattern/knots.

    I watched a couple of Yulitle's ATW and found one I could do with out a starting clamp. The one thing I did different was I left the short side with one main short. I pre-weaved the whole racquet and found that I couldn't do it on the long side as the video instructed (again...sleepy/upset). Thinking back I should have taken pictures at several junctions.

    I was pretty happy with the finishing product and the feed back felt really good. Here is a picture for reference of the racquet (older string job done by shop). 16x19 with shared holes.

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  6. bbulla

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    I have a Stringway and it is accurate for tension. Have you read all the posts on here re. Racquet-tune? Remember, it is just giving you a reference tension...not the actual tension of the racquet.
     
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  7. Irvin

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    With 16 mains when it starts in the throat it ends at the throat. That cross tie off you were looking for is 8T. When doing an ATW with no starting clamp tie off the next to last main on the short side. Use the long side to run the outside main on the long side, the bottom cross and the outside main on the short side. Since this racket has 19 mains the top cross will be woven the same as he bottom cross.
     
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  8. Irvin

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    Then on this racket you had another surprise you did not mention 10 sharred holes. Don't you love them. If you use the ATW pattern again string the 12 center mains then you two clamps will be at the bottom of the racket. This is a good time to pre weave the 7th main on the short side and then use the long side to pre weave the outside mains, bottom cross and top four crosses. It is easier to get the two strings in all those holes before you tension rather than after. Make use you do not overlap your string on the outside. But since you used a thin 17 gauge string it should not have been too bad.
     
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  9. djNEiGht

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    Thank you. I have taken racquet tune results with a grain of salt. I just had some string jobs at 60# by a shop and it hit true on racquet tune.

    I do like it for the tracking of tension loss.
     
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  10. djNEiGht

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    I looked around a bit and will continue to do so...

    trying to find out how to understand some of the terms used in stringing.

    when one is talking about a main string and a number is involved, where do you start counting from? Like when you said "7th main". Looking at the specs on a racquet, I get most of it except the one in bold & italics.

    "String Pattern:
    16 Mains / 19 Crosses
    Mains skip: 7H 9H 7T 9T
    One Piece
    No Shared Holes"

    And when it is said "one piece", does that mean no hybrids?

    Silly questions...but I want to learn.
     
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  11. Irvin

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    Most of the time when talking about mains you count from the center out. Same thing with grommets. More often than not H and T are designations for the He'd and throat of the racket so if you skip 7 & 9 the first 6 mains goi in grommet holes 1-6 and the 7th main going in grommet hole 8 and the 8th main goes in grommet hole 10.

    One piece means no hybrids as hybrids are two different strings.
     
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  12. djNEiGht

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    I think it is making more sense to me now. I'm reading up on coolblue's confused on... thread.

    I will be practicing my poly stringing soon. Will prob get a multi pack like super smash/black shark (kirshbaum) so that I can get used to stringing a similar string several times. Will be doing this on my primary racquet and save the mizuno for more syn gut practice.
     
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  13. Irvin

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    There are a few people confused in that thread.
     
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  14. djNEiGht

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    my neighbor gave this to me a while ago...
    I've hit with it for a bit. bed feels very jarring. I don't know how much this weighs but it feels beastly. Will consider restringing it.

    What kind of tension should I use on this? I'll be using Volkl Classic Synthetic.

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    58 works great
     
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  16. Irvin

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    Pay attention to the groves on the outside of the frame so your string line up with the groves. Start your crosses on the wrong side and you are in trouble. Or you can look at the knot now.
     
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  17. djNEiGht

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    I took a crack at restringing the Maxply Fort yesterday with my Volkl Classic Syn 17g. I didn't have a problem with the blocked holes as long as the tip was sharp and I sought the best path available on blocked/shared holes.

    Should I look into getting a pathfinder guiding awl for tougher situations and larger gauge strings?
     
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  18. MomentumGT

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    Dang Nate you actually strung that Maxply? Good job! :). Hit me up with more info on the May get together.

    -Jon
     
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  19. djNEiGht

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    I'll find out more info this weekend
     
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  20. djNEiGht

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    Any fans of a pathfinder guiding awl? or suggestions for blocked holes while using a soft string?
     
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  21. Irvin

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    I like the pathfinder awl but not sure i wold buy one if I didn't have it. As far as getting soft strings in holes I just try to pre weave as much as possible. Other than that I use a pointed string with gulf wax ( some use Chapstick) for lubrication.
     
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  22. djNEiGht

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    I'm hesitant to get one after hearing how it works great the 1st time and then it breaks the 2nd time. Pre-weaving sounds like a great idea.

    When you say "pointed string with gulf wax", do you mean the string itself or do you have another string just for wax/lube application?

    Thanks
     
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  23. Irvin

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    I just cut the string at an angle and wipe it on a stick of gulf wax. I have used my pathfinder awl a lot and they have never broke.
     
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    Useful tool but don't ever lend it out... guaranteed sure to break soon as its borrowed :)
     
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  25. Irvin

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    Well it does not come with instructions and too many people try to force it through a blocked hole - not a good idea.
     
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  26. djNEiGht

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    Got my own rig. Picked up fr the FS thread...Gamma Progression 602 FC II.

    Any tips on the new features? 6pt mounting and fixed clamp use? I picked up a starting clamp and a pathfinder awl as well. Current racquets are in great shape so prob won't string for a little bit.

    I'm already looking out for a 2086 as I heard you could put one on this machine (or would an ELS upgrade be a good idea if possible?)
     
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  27. djNEiGht

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    Woes indeed...

    I have not had a good stringing experience with the new Gamma. I am scratching my head as to what is going wrong.

    Recap

    I am a novice stringer and have done about x10 string jobs total on x6 different racquets on the ATS 2 point drop weight with flying clamps. Most of the string jobs where with Volkl Classic Synthetic Gut 17g and once I felt more comfortable I started using premium multi's and poly on the last few racquets. x2 of the racquets where strung for my brother-in-law who is a solid 4.5 and says he is happy with the stringing. Racquet Tune showed initial tension reading to be 7-10 lbs lower than what was set on the drop weight.
     
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  28. djNEiGht

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    I purchased a slightly used Gamma 602 FC. I used 17g Volkl Classic Syn Gut to practice and learn the new stringer with my Wilson nCode nTour 95 16 x 20. I am using x1 piece/ATW at 60#

    The string broke on me while doing the mains:oops:. I believe it was due to not knowing how tight the fixed clamps needed to be and it slipped. The string was clearly damaged from the slip but continued to string as I wanted the practice. Off to another set of syn gut fr the reel for more practice.

    The 2nd set completed with no issue and I took to Racquet Tune to check tension. I was floored when the readings said 78#. I checked my settings on RT and it was correct. Set up for another reading and with a tap of the string bed the string snapped. :mad:

    I checked the racquet/grommets for any damage and did not notice anything that should have contributed to the break of the string. I then called it a night.
     
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  29. djNEiGht

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    The next day I started over again and this time changed the drop weight to 57#. I finished the mains and started with the ATW and got to my 2nd cross. As I was taking the string off the drop weight in preparation of the next cross, the string snapped near the FC. :evil::confused::cry:

    I am baffled. I wonder if the drop weight is set up correctly. The drop weight looks to have the weight set up correctly but am wondering if the markings may be off. Next step may be to get a calibrator...and some Jameson/Ginger Ale.
     
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    Damn that sucks. Check for kinks in the string of if the string is twisted.

    -Jon
     
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  31. djNEiGht

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    I'll be stringing up a Head Ti.Radical OS (Agassi's racquet at one time) for a close family friend. He had it strung up with Dunlop Explosive 17 at 58# (58-68 range listed) on a lock out. He has hit with for a long time with smooth 17g polys and can generate his own spin very nicely and doesn't like rough/shaped strings as it spins too much for him.

    He's interested in trying a multi set that I have (Triumph 16g) to see if it would be more comfy and get a little free power.

    I personally string my syn/multi at 3#s less than max or max recommended tension. My poly set up is at the bottom range or even 3#s less. Hybrid is right smack in the middle while learning what I like.
     
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  32. djNEiGht

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    He thinks he wants 58#s again but with the use of a multi, I suggested to go higher.
    -What tension would be a good for someone coming from Poly at the bottom end of the tension of his racquet?
    -Going from 17g to a 16g should I consider any changes in tension?
    -How should I string to give a similar tension to a lock out while using my drop weight (Gamma 602 FC) regardless of poly/synthetic?

    Cheers!
     
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    Going from LO to CP normally means stringing 5-7# LESS assuming same string.

    Going from 17Ga to 16Ga normally means 2-4# LESS to have the same SBS. Check the forum doing a search on Stringway's SBS calculator. Unfortunately, you're also switching from something that is fairly stiff (poly) to something very soft (multi).

    You're not going to home in on the first try tension-wise. I would recommend mid-point +2# just for starters. 2 cents.
     
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  34. djNEiGht

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    Thanks for the info. I will keep that in mind for future string jobs.

    I did the racquets this weekend and took my time doing them. Drop weight was set at 65#s and I let the weight down easy and consistently each time. The one thing I did different between the 1st and 2nd stringing was with the crosses. I tried to position the fixed clamps in a way to have the least amount of creep. Visually, the fixed clamps still moved just as much.

    Racquet tune registered 63 on the 1st and 64 on the 2nd. I'll check any tension loss tonight to see how much has been lost within 24 hrs.
     
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    @djneight

    I string with a klippermate.. either it be a syn gut/ or poly/syn gut hybrid or feel bed of poly I'm usually off by 6-7 pounds lower as well.. I always wondered what I was doing wrong but at least I'm consistent and I liked playing with tensions I was string at...

    noticed you live in eagle rock... I live in atwater village...u must hit up racket doctor yeah?
     
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