my strokes (5.5) if interested

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  1. BounceHitBounceHit

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    Amen. Well said, and absolutely correct. ;) CC
     
  2. BackInTheGame

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    ^^^ Couldn't agree more. Hopefully that should end the arguments.
     
  3. J011yroger

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    Yo Backin. When are we gonna hit? Did you meet up with any of the other guys from the long island chapter? Maybe Saturday if this rain stops?

    Or I am down for playing inside.

    The rain knocked out my internet at home (As I post from Panera bread) but once the rain stops I will fix my cable and have normal e-mail access from home. But the best bet is my cell.

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  4. BackInTheGame

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    Yeah I hit with Swing1&2 last weekend and was talking to one other guy about hitting also. I'd definitely like to hit a little this weekend. Maybe saturday afternoon or sunday morning. I'll have to check my schedule (my kids schedule actually) and i'll let you know.
     
  5. chuckmckool

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    gotta love the two handed backhand
     
  6. MTXR

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    Wow, surgery. Damn...

    Yeah, i think i will take this as a que to rest for the winter. I don't want to run into a problem like you did with your wrist. I been battling my rotator cuff here for a few months now.

    Can't afford any surgery right now.
     
  7. shintan17

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    It's all about consistency and how to construct the points at that level.
    I am only 3.5-4.0, but I could tell that he is up there (around 5.5) because the local place I always go to has one best player and he is around 5.5. Never miss anything, so consistent. If anyone looked at how he plays in the practice, I think most of them would think he is 4.5 at best. IT'S WRONGGGG!!

    ITS ALL ABOUT CONSISTENCY, BABY!!
     
  8. BounceHitBounceHit

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    Hey Tony,

    Another thread reminded me of this one, so I thought I'd post to check on your progress. How's the PT coming along? Hope you are well, CC
     
  9. CAM178

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    Maybe it's just me, but how do you y'all rate? No offense, but I would place this guy at 4.5. A solid 4.5, but a 4.5 nonetheless.

    Then again, it is just practice, so it's hard to tell.
     
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  10. BigDude

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    He's probably a 6.0 now and since he said he's improved a lot since the videos i'll say he was a 5.5 player back then. You can't rate someone after watching a video of them hit for 2 minutes. Not the good players.
     
  11. J011yroger

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    Doesn't matter how you would rate him. He is a bonified 6.0 on three counts.

    If you say anything else you are wrong.

    J
     
  12. CAM178

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    Oooooh...kay. . . . . ??
     
  13. J011yroger

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    His college playing record.

    His USTA Open Tournament Ranking.

    And his ITF Playing Record.

    J
     
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    Tony is 5.5. He lost to a guy from Drake in the tourney I watched him play. Drake is ranked around 50th nationally at D1 tennis and the top two guys from Drake made it to the final with Tony making it to the semifinal. I am 4.5 and know I would be lucky to win a game a set against Tony as he handles pace well, hit everything deep, is very consistent and very fast.

    Bummer to hear Tony is in a cast. He is in great shape so he could run marathons if forced to retire from tennis because of injuries.
     
  15. TonLars

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    Thanks Craig

    I just had surgery to take my pins out and cast off a little over a week ago. Now my hand is very stiff and weak. I had a major hurdle the other day when I visited them again 2 days ago for x-rays. there was some question when the pins came out whether the bones in my wrist would come back together or widen some more. If they had widened there would basically be no chance for me to play competitive tennis again and I would resort to salvage procedures. Fortunately, they looked to come together and heal the way we hoped for. As of right now the impression I got is that I have to slowly and gradually work to gain back strength and flexibility and I have a chance to be able to play again. I dont want to reinjure the ligament, but also he said the risk of that is much less now from what he saw. So, I have some hope, Ive been depressed the last couple months so it helps. Im not getting my hopes up too high though, I wont be thrilled until I can get back onto the court finally and see if I can do it again like I used to. Ill let you know how the Physical Therapy goes, I should be starting that soon and Ill have my next appointment with the doc in 6 weeks.
     
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    Best wishes for a speedy recovery T.

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    Okay. I have read some of the thread, and the guy can actually ball. I had not read the thread when I posted; just watched the video. This whole NTRP system is so flawed. Played a guy last night who is supposedly a '4.5', yet this weekend this 4.5 took 5 games off of a guy who was just ranked in the 300's in the world. (the 4.5 didn't tell me; another guy who was an impartial observer told me that a lot of people watched the match). People just abuse the system, that's all. And as of last night, if that guy is a 4.5, then I am definitely no longer a 5.0. I guess I should be a 3.5 now. :-(

    Tony, no offense on the 4.5 comment. It's tough to gauge somebody from a video of practice, as practice is nothing like match play. But you can ball, as your record indicates.
     
  18. J011yroger

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    Ranked DI College players and Future/Sat players may play 4.5 leagues, or have 4.5 usta ratings, but they are NOT 4.5 players they are still 5.5-6.0 players.

    I hear that stuff all the time. People say "In florida DI starters and people ranked 1100 in the world play 4.5"

    I usually reply, "Who plays 5.0 then?"

    J
     
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    Good news Tony! :) Try to stay positive and don't rush your rehab. Keep us posted, CC
     
  20. CAM178

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    LMAO!! I know. Doesn't give us much hope, does it?! :D

    That 3.5 league is starting to look good. . .
     
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    Good to hear from you and get well soon TonLars! For my part, I guarantee you indefinite injury-protected ranking in my pro/amateur GOAT analysis.;) And meanwhile Roger and we all here are gonna keep a good eye on hackers flaming your vids in this thread...:)
     
  22. spiritboy3

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    nice confident shot love ur slices and those backhand... even tho i dun really find ur forehand style that perfect but played with confident and control definitely believe ur a 5.5
     
  23. adlis

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    shame about the injury. Do what i do and stick to the clay because it is less stress on the body.
     
  24. J011yroger

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    Look! It's back!

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  25. adlis

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    i have been back for a while, also quit the verbal abuse
     
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    My favourite fellow countryman!!! :D
     
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    Excellent comments. TonLars is not a big guy and probably doesn't blow many people off the court, but his footwork is very good and his consistency is rock solid. For efficiency of movement he's a 10/10. Also, note that his balls are mostly in AND returned to pretty much the same general area.

    I also like his attitude. Da dude's 'tude ain't rude.;)

    -Robert
     
  28. JohnP

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    I'm really surprised that anybody would suggest that he is a weak 5.5 or lower based on those videos alone. I haven't read through most of this thread but I would have no reason whatsoever to doubt him. I guess people expect that anybody at that level or higher has some big, flashy looking strokes and because his strokes are relatively efficient and simple strokes (especially when drilling like that) people think otherwise.

    His footwork is very, very good and he's in position for every shot and misses what, 2 shots in the entire collection of clips? That alone tells me the guy is a very solid 5.0 at minimum and that's only if he has no match play skills whatsoever, no serve, no net skills, and no mental toughness, which is of course unlikely. So, at worst he's a strong 5.0 and at best he's a 6.0 or better. It's impossible to know anything more specific based on those clips.

    And after reading through some of the recent posts I have to add a +1 to the well wishes on a speedy recovery.
     
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  29. fluffy Beaver

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    So was it adlis didn't play futures or just hasn't actually won one?

    He posted this 4 days ago

    and he still hasn't told me who the ATP players are that go on this board.
     
  30. chess9

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    Why wouldn't almost every ATP pro come to this site at one time or another? Is there a better site for tennis? The top instructors post here. The top stringers post here. We get very good advice on Health and Fitness from a few very good posters HERE.

    If an ATP pro doesn't come here, well, he's missing a lot, IMHO.

    -Robert
     
  31. fluffy Beaver

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    well then.... go to one of the threads that say "Pro Name" post here and everyone becomes in disbelief.

    Anyways, he didn't just say pros come here, he said THEY SAID THEMSELVES they come here which I would like sources.
     
  32. LPShanet

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    Unfortunately, this happens a lot. The NTRP system was much more accurate when it first came out, and the NTRP leagues weren't in full swing yet. At the time, it wasn't meant to be a measure of likelihood for competitive success, it was intended to measure how developed your game was mechanically, so you would know what to work on in lessons and whom to practice with. Since then, the numbers have become biased for two primary reasons:

    1. People are very competitive and were often underrating intentionally so that they would stand a better chance of winning at the regional or national level. This then skewed the entire system.

    2. Many markets didn't have 5.0 and/or 5.5 leagues available, which made many players at that level underrate just so they could play in the leagues at all. Once this started happening, it became impossible to "fix" since these guys would lose at the 4.5 level to others who had done the same, which made the problem somewhat invisible to the USTA.

    There are lots of former D1 players (many of whom have had national rankings) in the NJ and NY area 4.5 and 5.0 leagues. There were even a pair of former Davis Cuppers in the 5.0 league a few years ago!

    And back to the original post, I think it's very clear that the OP is the level he says he is...I would assume this has been resolved by now, as his stats also clearly back it up.
     
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  33. 1337Kira

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    Hey where are you in Minnesota?
    Just wondering?
    (and sorry if this has been answered, or I should just look it up xD)
     
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    Small town USA. Grew up in a farm town called Long Prairie, and recently my parents moved to a small town of Alexandria which is west on 94, over a couple hours north of Minneapolis
     
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    My opinion is that the whole rating system is skewed. I say this because of people I have seen playing 4.0-5.0 leagues. I've seen a former Top 10 junior from the Eastern bloc playing 4.0, I've seen God only knows how many D1 guys playing 4.5, and plenty of former satellite guys playing 5.0. Kind of makes it tough for the rest of us. In 4.5, I once played a guy who played 2 for Clemson.

    It's one of the most inaccurate systems I know. Unfortunately we all have to use it to find players in new areas, but there is plenty of room for improvement. Unfortunately, with the advent of self-rating, things pretty much went out the window.
     
  36. 1337Kira

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    Oh that's cool, but kinda far away.
    White Bear Lake ftw. xD
     
  37. J011yroger

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    Where do you live cam? Still in eastern?

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    I saw the ratings infractions (hate to call them that, as I didn't really care) in GA, ME, MA, and TX. All over, really. The only thing I don't like is that you never know what you're going to get.
     
  39. J011yroger

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    No, I wanted to know if you lived in eastern so we could hit.

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    So, where are we with this now? Any news, updates, admissions of being a complete fraud?
     
  41. CAM178

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    Oh. Sorry, man. Unfortunately, no. I live in TX. Maybe we'll get to hit over the summer, as I plan to travel for tennis a good bit this summer. Want to play some nationals and some good tourneys, for fun. Will probably get killed in the Opens, but hope to do okay in the M35 nationals.
     
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    Good deal, I aswell. Maybe I will see you at clay courts in may.

    Opens are real fun, but 35s are tough aswell(So I hear, I still have 10 years to go), so gl to you.

    J
     
  43. Mike Cottrill

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    Cam what opens? If Texas type opens and major zones, you might find Nationals have a tad bit more talent.
     
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    Ha ha. . . thanks, bro. :) You playing the National Opens? If so, there should be some good talent there. The guy that won the hard court Nationals a few years ago was the top player in New England. Guy was nasty good, so you should definitely find some good comp.

    You play many tourneys?
     
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    Don't know which Opens yet. You know of some good ones? At this point, I need to determine if I'm even staying in TX, as there might be a job in New England again. Would love to stay down here for tennis, but I've got to go where the opportunity is.

    More than anything, I need some serious tennis. Haven't played a tourney in 2 years! Well, at least to where I trained for it ahead of time. When I don't train, I can expect early rd losses. :)
     
  46. Mike Cottrill

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    Depending on what you are looking for I guess. What area of Texas? For some reason my friend would go to Abilene in the summer and then and play open major zone in Forth worth. He would do this to get practice for the nationals in his age group.
     
  47. J011yroger

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    Ya, Plan to play 12-16 in 08, Missed 5 months of tourneys this year when I tried to tear my wrist in two at work, but still played a bunch. Was 8 in the east before my injury.

    J
     
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    Yeah NatOpens@@!! Go J011yroger !&!
     
  49. J011yroger

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    No better place to go and get clobbered in the first round :)

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    So then we know he never he played the Argentina Futures at all?
     

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