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  1. goober

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    All of have figured out so far is that Andres and I are both losers and nobody can find his name or the video he supposedly posted. :)

    I am not sure why he is being so obtuse unless he has something to hide? That's the difference between TonsLars and Sydney Jim versus Adlis- they are straight forward, they have nothing to hide. It is a lot easier to respect people both IRL and on the internet who are like this.
     
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    I agree completely. There is another user here who plays Futures. He rarely mentions it, and never discusses his results. I don't feel the need to know more about him because he is quietly going about his business, and all of his posts on this forum are respectful, informative, well-written, etc. He doesn't contradict himself or anything like that. On the other hand, Adlis just sends up all kinds of red flags with his behavior, especially after I took the time last night to do the search that he himself recommended. I don't understand his behavior and I wish he would just come clean, clear up the contradictions, and get on with it already.
     
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    I am not sure what I am suppose to take from this video. It is labeled Adlis practice with a question mark. I guess it really doesn't matter. It is not like I am dying to find out if he is truly a low level futures player and if he is better than everybody on this board. This is a discussion forum on the internet about tennis not a bragging rights pecking order. There already is a bragging rights list if somebody is into that called your ATP rank:razz:
     
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    :( My only partner has tendonitis of the foot. But I'll still try to show up and serve my way through a match. Or a set :p
     
  6. TonLars

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    So far things are going well for my recovery. Everything seems to have healed correctly and is in place. Since being out of my cast and beginning physical therapy a month and a half or so ago, I have regained most of my range of motion back, and now it is a matter of gaining the strength back. It is getting stronger every week and I am able to do more and more with certain things either easier or better. Most of my therapy is doing movements with a light dumbell, im at 5 pounds now. Otherwise I also do stretching and some exercises with this putty stuff. Ive been able to do a few things I couldnt a couple weeks ago like shoot a basketball from short range, play badminton lightly without trying any smashes, get into some upperbody conditioning again with 25 lb dumbells. Im a ways from playing tennis I think still but hopefully after a while I can try to get back into that lightly. My main concern now is not going too fast to reinjure it. Even though that is unlikely, they wouldnt be able to fix it next time if that happened because there isnt enough ligament there. Also, I just want to be able to play well again. I dont know if ill be the same again when and if I return. But so far so good! I will update again as it gets stronger and when I try to hit lightly against a wall or something like that.
     
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    Great news Tony. Keep us posted.

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  8. TonLars

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    Thought id write an update. I have tried hitting on a wall a couple times, and ive tried hitting a few times. Its nice in a way because its been such a long time (6 months), but its also hard to be hitting with pain and so weakly. I can hit an alright forehand but just not with alot of power. Volleys especially can hurt if its coming at me hard. I have tried to serve very lightly, but usually can not get it over the net both from the weakness and the fear of trying to hit it harder risking a re-injury. But its at least kind of fun to hit and run around once again, its just painful and not very skilled. Im highly doubting i will be ready for this summer, if ever.

    Maybe I should get over this possibility but its been very depressing; at the same time it could have happened during my college career and all, and ive done pretty well for a few years in the Mens Opens. Im grateful I was able to do alot back then. Theres not really much more I could accomplish but its just in me to always want to compete and get better. Im hoping maybe the pain will go away someday but I just think this could be something that is a part of me for my life now since that area hasnt gotten much better really and the rest of my hand has gotten stronger. Maybe I can try to train for tri-athlons or something to be competitive still.
     
  9. BounceHitBounceHit

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    Stay positive and remember, life is LONG! You may not be winning Men's Open tournaments but tennis is a sport you can enjoy into your sixth, seventh, eighth, and even NINTH decades! Witness the Senior Men's tournaments if you need inspiration! Here's a quote from one of the guys I watched play a few years back in the Southern Senior Men's 90's division:

    "Well, I just don't have same wind I used to since I lost my right lung to the cancer, and that clearly affected my play today......of course in all fairness Jim (his opponent) gets pretty tired too after his third heart attack....."

    You have GOT to love and respect that. ;)

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    Update:

    Ive been getting some therapy treatment for my wrist the last few weeks. It uses Dexameth medicine, and im hooked up to something electric for about 20 minutes. After the first few sessions I thought it was helping a little but didnt think it was making a significant impact, but now I am really pleased with how it has gone. I hit for a little with our top junior player for 40 minutes after the drills yesterday, and I am hitting the ball so much better than a week and 2 weeks ago. I am now able to say that I can hit my normal forehand without thinking about pain, because its a small amount. I cant tell you the rush I get when Im hitting; being able to hit the ball hard and well again like that and play some baseline games just fills me with adrenaline and is really fun. Its more a feeling, I cant describe it very well. Its a result of not being able to do this for so long. 7 months has been a very long time for me. This makes me realize how much I love playing this game, and that I am a deeply competitive person that has been deprived of competiton for too long. The better you get at something, the more satisfying it can be. I love battling out there and putting everything Ive got into hitting from the baseline and running fast all over the place. I simply enjoy being able to hit some good shots again.

    I cant kid myself either though. I am still unable to hit the two-handed backhand without pain. I also havent attempted serves or overheads because I know it will hurt and I am scared to try since that is the shot the injury occured with. Those shots are obviously necessary to compete at my best, and compete against a high level player. Volleys hurt as Ive said, but this week Ive been able to actually hit some decent volleys with only moderate pain. It was just a week or 2 weeks ago that I totally avoided volleys when possible because when the ball met my racket with that tight wrist, it hurt alot. I usally did whatever I could just to get the ball in and didnt think about hitting it the better correct/more painful way. Still, after this improvement, and playing against the good junior players here recently, I honestly believe that I could beat most players right now that I would face by using my forehand, slice backhand, avoid overheads and volley sparingly, and do a topspin forehand serve. However, I know I would get totally owned by the good players Im used to having close matches with in this manner.

    It would be difficult for me to play a tournament this summer like this, and feel embarassed losing a lop-sided match to a player that normally I would either beat, or have a decent chance of beating. Therefore, I will have to test the waters and try serving at least sometime before the end of April, being able to do so with at least minimum power, and possibly get a cortisone injection to be able to hit backhands (much less practice it and hit it well again after 8 months of absence).

    All in all, Im pretty happy with the way my recovery is going. At the same time, I have a ways to go, and I cant get ecstatic until Im playing my full, usual tennis again. In other news, I found out today that someone recorded my Aquatennial tournaments singles final back in July, and has copies of it on DVD that I will receive a complimentary copy of. I should maybe be able to post some recent tennis of mine then, and in a match situation, rather than the videos in this thread which are just drilling and from about 2004, before I had improved alot more. I will update again some day when I have further developments or figure out how to post clips of that match on here.
     
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    That's good to hear Tony. Madatory time away from your passion is never fun.
     
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    Great to hear T. Stay positive, and best of luck.

    (You know how I feel about cortisone, so I am not going to say anything on that front, just make sure you use your brain, and not your heart.)

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    Good luck man.
     
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    Great to learn you are making such nice progress Tony. I knew you would be back! Best, CC
     
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    Thanks guys

    Alright, I receieved my DVD copy of the tournament. It was extremely enjoyable for me to see that match again, especially having not played like that in 'forever', and that was basically 2 weeks before my injury happened. Id love to share some of it with you guys if possible. It would give a better feeling for my game as well since its recent and in a match.

    I need help though. I really have no idea how to get stuff from the DVD into a computer file, or to get it onto Youtube, or whatever. It is in chapters, so im thinking I could probably just upload the 3rd set tiebreak which was about 10 minutes in length. Any help with this is appreciated if youre inetrested in seeing this. Thanks, ttyl
     
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    Are you on a Mac or a PC?
     
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    on a PC. I know I had done it before a long time ago with some program, but I dont remember anything. Any help? Otherwise Ill try to figure it out but it will take a long time probably
     
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    You can download a program called Handbrake that will copy it off your DVD, then you can upload to megauploads or the like...
     
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    Alright, I got it all uploaded now. I will post the link here and at the top of the thread. I think I will make a new thread for it as well, since it might be interesting to hear what people think about the contrast from my 2004 videos and the more recent video, being that I improved and that it also is in a match setting. Anyways, here is the link:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MAhTCWMVpUY
     
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    3.5 at best!

    Sorry T, I had to lol.

    Great match looked like that swine lefty had a serve and a half, but tough to tell from the vid.

    J
     
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    Not to insult the op at all, you appear to be a great player, but I feel a lot better about my game now, and I have only been playing like 5 years total. And I took more than two of those off to continue playing baseball. I should have just stuck with tennis. :(
     
  22. TonLars

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    lol, well glad my game makes you feel better about yours acerob. Its harder than it looks though I guess.

    Jolly, youre right, Nick has a tough serve, one of the best ive faced as he's lefty and hits it pretty big and to the spots. Otherwise a very smooth all-court game. I felt I was dictating play off the baseline, and I tried to go to his backhand, which he sliced often, as much as possible.
     
  23. dr325i

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    Exactly what I was thinking. Reminds me very much of myself, though a little bit more consistant. On the other hand, my serve looks better and more powerful. I thought I was 4.0-4.5 (at best...). Though I lack match (league/tour) time...
    I'd expect more powerful and closer to net hits out of 5.5 (or 5.0)...

    Anyway, good news for me if most agree this is 5.5. Bad news is I'm 36...

    Good luck to the OP with the future tennis endevours...
     
  24. Double Fault

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    I skipped the whole thread but saw the vids on the first post.

    Your backhand looks like a true weapon. I really hope to be at that level in a couple of years or so of hard work.
     
  25. J011yroger

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    If you want the less painful way, enter a few men's open tourneys, and get destroyed.

    If you want the more painful way, video tape yourself playing a match, and watch it, better yet, post it on here.

    Either way I think you will gain a lot more respect for Tony who's level is not up for debate because his playing record speaks volumes.

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  26. Kaptain Karl

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    a) You have a (common) misconception that "better players hit closer to the net (lasers with their strokes)." The better players have *greater* margin for error; not less.

    b) If you've seen many vids posted on TT, you've learned you cannot accurately divine a player's "level" from a simple clip.

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    Thanks for sharing, Tony. I noticed you were really pounding that guy off his baseline. The more points I saw, the farther back he was having to play. Nice work.

    I'm going to have my HS kids watch your footwork. Excellent!!!

    I noticed you keep your extra ball in your right pocket (and you are right-handed). Any special reason?

    - KK
     
  27. J011yroger

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    When you are not playing in a point you are supposed to hold your racquet by the throat head up in your non-hitting hand, in order to allow your hitting arm to remain loose instead of building tension from holding the racquet.

    Not saying I do it, but that is the theory :)

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  28. dr325i

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    I agree completely!
     
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    That consistency part is the whole trick ;)

    You may have world class swings, but if you can't place yourself in the right spot and time them right they entirely useless.
     
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    First of all, how would you know I would get destroyed entering 5.0 tournaments?

    Second, I never disrespected Tony and I believe him when he says he was 5.5, I questioned my level as I never knew where I stood. However, after watching the 3.5 video posted some time ago, and this one, I definitely know I am closer to this level than claimed 3.5 level in the video...

    Cheers!
     
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    Exactly, some of us (and pros) have the consistency as a weapon, some of us rely more on S&V game as a weapon...
     
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    You are defined in life by what you accomplish. So if you never compete at a high level then you don't understand where you fall in the ability range.

    If your level is closer to Tony's then you should be playing regularly with people who have creds, former satelite and college players, and you should be demolishing the vast majority of players whom you meet.

    Have you ever seen yourself on video?

    I know that you would get destroyed in a good open draw because it is a level of play that you cannot reach without competing seriously against quality players. If you could play competitive sets against the pros who coach you, who have/had creds, or you practiced regulary with top tier current/former ranked players.

    If you practiced competitively with other 5.0-6.0 players, you would know that you weren't a 3.5.

    If you just practice and play with your buddies, and think that you look like, or are approaching the level of Tony, then I fear that you are sadly mistaken.

    Feel free to prove me wrong, if you post vids showing comprable level of play or Open tourney results, then I will gladly eat my words, and owe you a beer.

    I plan to be in Lauderdale for the 08 Open Clay Court Nats, so we can meet up for a hit, and I will pick up the tab for lunch if you prove me wrong.

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    Makes sense!
    I do play with people that play 4.5 leagues, and generally we split the sets since I have bad knees...(I beat them (90%) the first set)
    I have not played any league/tour since I travel a lot...
    But I practice about 10 hours a week...

    I hate clay and promised myself would never play again on it after the last weekend. ;)
     
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    That's Minneapolis? Office buildings and apartments right above the tournament court? It looks kind of cool though.
     
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    This looks like pretty good tennis to me. The taller player has a very good looking service action. If I was the coach of either player and looking for something to work on then from what I can see on that clip it would be movement skills and putting more work on the ball/finding more angles. But pretty good. Thanks for putting this up.

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    I've "heard" that, but nobody I hit with does it. (I thought it was something somebody like Bud Collins came up with....)

    I tried pocketing on my racket side. After 30 years of doing it the other way it felt like my shorts were on backwards....

    - KK
     
  37. BounceHitBounceHit

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    Interesting. Do you remember how Laver used to drag the racquet along, almost scraping the ground at times? I think we see more of the 'modern' players using the 'heads up' approach. Best, CC
     
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    Oh. I thought Jolly meant between points, not during the points.

    I'm always telling my HS players, "Racket up!" ... during the points.

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    ^^^ I meant between points.

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    One of the reasons I support the racket in my other hand is because it makes it easier to change grips -- I can turn the racket from semi-western forehand to semi-western backhand more easily. Did Laver have a big grip change between backhand and forehand? In the modern game I think Agassi is the best example of how to do this.

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    Lots of humor in this thread.

    First thing I had a laugh at is hearing the light rail in the background.

    Second laugh that I've got to have is at the people claiming that they are at a "5.5" level without any sort of college or Challenger experience.

    For the record, I've hit with Tony (post injury) - in his current state, he keeps the ball deep, and without even trying to outhit anyone, he really moves the ball well. I have a feeling that by just being consistent, he'd be able to beat 90% of the self-proclaimed "5.5" players without being able to hit a serve and by slicing his backhand.

    He's still a scrawny fella, though. ;)
     
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    scrawny? lol ok Slapper! Thanks though, I think at the least I could play the 5.0 league this summer and win matches using a forehand serve except against the better players maybe.

    I changed the link to the vid I posted, and it has the match point on it now.
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MAhTCWMVpUY
    I might put up the first set breaker later too for the heck of it.
     
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    Just watching the video again - its amazing how many itsy-bitsy steps you take :), always bent knees and forward weight too - nice.

    Something you might consider - Your serves could really get a bump if you'd spend some time on the legwork there. Seems you can take the ball at least 3-4 inches higher - your jump is often mistimed. Thats a difference of 20-30% more court area to make your shot into. Also, your grip for first serve is very eastern, which could be getting in the way of wrist pronation....
     
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    Anton- thanks for the suggestions, hopefully I will be able to look into them someday if I heal up

    Here is the first set serving at 5-6 and then the tiebreak after. The point at 6-4 was hard to swallow, lol.
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=md9oNXUBJUo
     
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    Anton is right, more knee bend could add more power to your serve but easy for us to say. It is not easy to get a deep knee bend like andy Roddick, it takes incredible amount of strength and flexibility.ie knee bend like you see in the avatar here. YOu have a very nice overall game, by the way.
     
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    <sarcasm> Of course, that's just compared to my Olympic wrestler/Roman God-esque physique. :lol: </sarcasm>
     
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    Good to see this thread getting back to discussing Tony's recovery and return to tennis, with less emphasis on his injury!!

    As for those here who think they can play as well or better than Tony, I say "strap on the gear and spin the racquet, let the games begin!" I'm sure Tony can use some practice during his comeback. Just post the vids here. ;)

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    Update: the wrist has definitely been getting better every few weeks. Shots really dont hurt anymore, except for the serve and the 2-handed backhand which I dont hit yet. Otherwise, I am able to play at a pretty high level again though. But, when I play hard for very long, it can get pretty sore and I have trouble hitting hard the next day, but it usually only takes a day or two to recover. Today I had a bit of a gauge as to how I can do against a tougher player despite my handicaps, especially the serving with a forehand and only slicing backhands. I played against a nationally ranked 18's junior and was able to win although it was very close. My serve basically starts the point and I was happy to see that he wasnt able to do too much with it offensively, and to go for alot would probably be over risky anyways. If I can get my wrist stronger and less prone to becoming sore, it is possible by May and June I may be able to compete in some tournaments. I am getting a cortisone shot next week and I should hopefully be able to hit the two handed backhand again which will help alot, although my slice has been pretty solid, I need an offensive backhand. The serve will take the longest and will probably require alot more healing and time to be able to do more effectively than a topspin forehand serve. I probably wont be able to beat the very top players I play and maybe wont be able to win the tougher tournaments but I feel I can compete and win against good players now. The main thing is just being able to go out there again if I do and that is amazing, and I really didnt expect to be able to do it yet at this point. Its actually kind of fun too to play and try to win with some handicaps, but it also could be frustrating too losing or not doing as well as I could.
     
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    It's good to hear that you weren't too sore after blasting a few forehands past me Saturday. One of these days I'll get smart and simply slice to your backhand. One of these days.....;)
     
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    has the OP entered any futures tournaments lately?
     

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