Discussion in 'Tennis Tips/Instruction' started by TonLars, May 6, 2007.
Dude - nice strokes...
Nice compact, consistent strokes, TonLars. The first thing I noticed was the early preparation on the backhand. You seem to like your backhand more - you were always moving forward for it. On your forehand, you sometimes hit off your back foot, but had pretty solid results anyway.
You seem to be in great shape and I'm sure you make people work hard to beat you! Keep up the good work, and good luck if you decide to play some futures!
People who said he's not hitting hard or not a 5.5 - you just have no idea. That ball is moving pretty fast and consistently landing deep. If you are making comments like that, TonLars would probably be happy to wipe you off the court!
LOL - you OWNED him goober, well done.
JO, Nice way to sum it up.
Ton, nice strokes. Thanks for sharing!
As others have stated>> and speaking from experience>>> I guarantee he is hitting the ball with very good pace. Pace of the shots, for whatever reason, doesn't tranlsate well to video. It gives a false perception that the ball is traveling slower than it really is.
I think Tony has better backhand than forehand. Backhand looks more reliable and more flexible, looks like can hit with power and disguise on the backhand side. but the forehand seem to be off the back foot too much. could have better weight shift into the shot on the forehand side, and balance is not always there either. ON the backhand side, could use better hip rotation into the shot to get more power if need be.
Tony - I like the fact that you use a very compact loop and minimal backswing on your forehand. No wasted motion, nice smooth swing and follow through. One reason my f/h is inconsistant is the too-complex junk that comes before making contact. I would advise any beginning or intermediate player to look at your style.
yes and i acknowledge that
however, im still sure that i, a usta newbie, am able to beat any player who hits like the player in the video, (4.5 at best).
I HIT BETTER THAN THAT, and ive never played a tourney before.
oMg dragin ur awesome!!! pls post vids so we c@n lernnnn teh m0d3rn str0kez!!!
And he also asked:
"btw what is a tweener? is that like a really light/powerful racket?"
NNNNNNnnno you don't.
lawl, teh pwnzord
I'm pretty sure that you'd get blown off of the court by a player of Tony's caliber.
Oh well.....arguing on the internet is like....(you can finish that - I'd rather not get banned.)
Hats off to you! It's people like you that certainly add comical entertainment to this forum.
way to display your ignorance in the last sentence. hitting well and playing tournaments are two very different things. also, good job rating his entire game based on some groundstroke analysis videos.
thanks. yeah im really busy hitting and with tournaments all summer but im always trying to find people to hit and so maybe sometime it can work out!
good work detective hehe, yeah im not really sure why he is talking like that?
I think youre right, people who havent experienced it firsthand probably just dont realize what all goes into it and that it looks easy but soon enough a person who sticks at something long enough learns what its all about. He says he is new so he probably just doesnt understand tennis very well. I saw somewhere where you said you were a pretty high level player yourself, where you at and stuff?
Definitely agree with the comments, thats also the analysis i had gotten from most people back then as well. I used to always be on the backfoot for the forehand but I no longer do that and I am hitting it much better and driving it like the backhand. Believe it or not the forehand has actually gotten to be the better side now after 2 years. I think I saw somewhere that you are playing at a college somewhere, where at and hows it going?
hey Stanford fan yeah youre right, backhand has always been good form but the forehand needed work and I fixed for the most part exactly what you are saying now.
Ive always had compact strokes, im not so much on the fh anymore but yeah, the compact stroke definitely helps to be able to pick up and return hard balls and anything at the feet near the baseline.
4.5, at best? why, how do you figure? I mean I know im not playing points out showcasing the placement and running and finishing short balls and such, but you must not be a 3.5 if you can hit pretty well? Thats pretty impressive for a beginner to tournaments dont you think? At any rate, whatever my rating is, which is in the 5.5 range as I understand it, what would you classify the rating of the people I have beaten, such as Division 1 players or whatever? If you could please give me some advice as to what is making my shots in the 4.0 range id appreciate that too, instead of just saying you can beat me. Thanks Dragon boy!
Andres, hows it going? thanks again for talking to me about my shoulder injury way back last October and the fall. Man, things are sure different now, its nice to be back and I often just think about how nice it is to be able to play at all and not take it so much for granted these days. Im 23 now and ive been having alot more even little nagging minor injuries this year too even compared to just 1 or 2 years ago, and so Im starting to wonder if im getting old and worn down? lol!
how do you figure that you can hit better then him even if we were to follow ur worng assesment that he is just a 4.5? You would still loose...badly...since u have stated before that you were a 3.5.
Drakulie, I think you need to dumb that down a little, I don't think dragonfire(you have GOT to be kidding me) could understand that last statement.
Tony, yesterday I played in this HS tournament, and watched my first 5.0 play, he was a German exchange student that was absolutely rolling threw the tournament(beat me 6-2, 6-1). I have never seen somebody hit the ball that hard with so little effort, knowing that you are a 5.5 I have to think that the sound on the camera was bad, and the video doesn't do the speed justice. This is kind of a worthless post, just wanted to share my experience on learning how good a 5.0 actually is, let alone a 5.5.
lol and who are you talking about. ive seen your youtube post and youre pretty terrible.
Dragonfire, isn't it bedtime?
I'll put this in terms you might understand:
Til u pizzost da vid wit u ballin on da tennis courts, dont be dissin on otha homies. Dig?
hahaha lets see your 130mph serve, drag. <-- I know that g is not a k.
I am in NY, Long Island specifically, although hopefully I will be making a guest appearance at the U.S. Clay Court Nats in Lauderdale in 2 weeks, and hopefully I will be able to go out with dignity instead of getting whooped in the first round by someone who actually knows how to play on dirt
No joke man, I just turned 25 and I don't know how these old guys do it. One of my coaches is #1 in the world in 55s, and I have no idea how he plays at such a high level being 30 years older than me.
Aches pains and soreness I can deal with, I just gotta keep an eye on my wrists, and if they act up, I stop playing, because that puts me out for a while. My shoulder flared up a few times since my grand return, but this year I am gradually rebuilding strength, and its been pretty good aside from the good kind of hurt/sore.
Truthfully, being unable to play from 17-23 I thought I was done for tennis wise, but seeing how some of these older guys play gives me hope that I might be able to conjure up some magic and catch the tail end of my good years.
Thanks you crazy stalker!
You must be one of those people from Niger that send those spam emails. You know,,,,, the ones where your dad is the embassador of the US to Niger, he suddenly dies, and you are now stranded. LOL
So why don't you post a video and let us decide how great a player you are...if "great" is the correct word here? If this guy wasn't a 5.5, but wanted people to believe he was, he wouldn't have bothered posting a video. Talk is cheap. A picture's worth a thousand words and video...two thousand or so...Until you put your money where your mouth is, you're just another typical trollboy. Post a video, troll.
Saturday I lost in the quarters of an open against the type of player that is hardest on me (Flat balls, no pace) on my worst surface (Har-Tru) my opponent was a very smart player and played within himself very well, not to mention that he was like the nicest guy ever. I felt a little dissapointed because I thought I had a legit shot at winning the tournament. Today I went down to the local high school and hit around with some of the players from the team. It never ceases to amaze me how many levels of players there are, I mean these kids who are on a good highschool team don't even flinch when I serve, and there are people out there who could bagel me with ease, who would be bageled by Fed with ease.
I mean, I understand that some of these younger or newer players just cannot comprehend that someone could be THAT much better than them. I think 35ft6 said it best when he said "Tennis is one of those things you have to get good at before you realize just how bad you are."
Where do you live??? I will play you if you are within distance, if not, certainly we can find a higher level board member to play you. If not I will advise you of some tournaments in your area where you may encounter some people who are below Lars' level yet still capable of soundly whomping you.
Drak, we will see if he ends up in the same category as MetsJets who dissapeared when he found out I lived nearby and was willing to call him on his claims.
Excellent strokes. Like someone else mentioned in here your backhand is reminiscent of Venus Williams with the early take back. How good is the guy you are hitting with? I can't really see his strokes because the vid isn't that clear for him. I was trying to explain to an earlier poster in here Mona999 who posted a vid of herself that she didn't have the proper take back on her back hand. She should defintely take a look at yours becasue it's picture perfect.
^^^ Maybe he went to Niger? LOL
if this guy put his video without any mention of his record, how would he rate?
ntrp is screwed up as it is.
youtube tennis forum video ntrp rating, you cant be serious
L0LZ GOOOD 0N3!
Dragon-****er, or whatever the hell your name is. You made my night, this is just too funny. :lol: Anyway, I'm a 4.5, and TonLars would officially beat me 6-0 6-0, if you are a 4.5 or below, the same would go for you.
Sweet, good luck in that tournament! Clay would be a good surface for me but im in the same boat as you and not comfortable with the footing on clay because, I only play on it a couple days a year! Yeah this year has been tough for me injury wise, Im hoping thats pretty much over now since ive never had problems before. If I may ask, what kept you from playing from 17-23 like you said? Thats rough, but I guess you have some fire to go after it hard at this point in time!
He is a very good player himself, he is just hitting nice balls back for me in this video session, although his style of game is very loopy and patient, so he plays mainly on clay. He does well in Opens and works at Saddlebrook, and apparently he practiced with Hingis sometimes which would be fun, and took a set from her one day also haha! And youre right about the takeback, that was a specific cue I learned right from the beginning and now it is automatic for me to get it back quick. Early prep is definitely something foundational to have a good set up and be able to hit any balls coming at you, especially something hit hard.
Are you talking to me, im not sure? Anyways I put the video up because I just think its cool to see playing on a video, and then I knew it would get some interesting comments so it has been fun to read the analysis. Ive been especially struck at how well alot of people on here have analyzed my game from back then, and so many recurring themes come up that ive also heard before from coaches in person.
Nice clips and nice strokes, kudos
This guy would compete in State Grade easily....
hey, was just wondering what "State Grade" is? Sorry ive just never heard of it. I think from something I saw I had the impression you are from Australia? Do you know of by chance Sam Fletcher or Christian Gerloff?
TonLars, you're the best or one of them here anyways, we knew that without the videos, but surely appreciate you posting them. serveitup obviously sees a reflection of his BH dominator soul in you. Best of luck on the ITF this year and enjoy your travels!
too robotic to be 5.5!
If you a re a 5.5, i'm a 7.0
lol ok. wasnt, say, kafelnikov robotic? i dont want to sound mean but that critique isnt very helpful to me, im not understanding what "exactly" you think I should be doing better. For example others here were observant and said I was hitting forehands off the back-foot too much 2 yrs ago. Specific advice is good. Youre ATP tour though you say, yeah im not going to ever get there. You surely realize we were drilling and not playing points, right? Does it help my game if Im consistent like that and I can run an 11-something 100m? I will try not to be robotic and wear some flashier clothes and re-tape for you, and maybe dance around more. I will miss more and not hit deep in the corner as much for you also
People like dragonfire don't understand how different it is to play in a match compared to just rallying with your friends. Rally sessions with friends are completely different than playing competitive tennis. I respect all these college players and pros who are able to translate all their good hitting and fundamentals perfectly to a match. Hitting well with friends doesnt mean jack **** if you cant translate them to matches. I would never make comments about how I could beat a 4.5 player if I've never even competed in a tournament. Ask anyone who has ever competed in a tournament and theyll tell you its completely different when you play matches.
State Grade is the top of our Victorian competition...I'm in Grade 4 atm, but State has guys who have made it pretty well on the Futures and in College. Chris Guccione played a few matches years back, and a lot of promising 18-20 year olds would play it. It's pretty cool to watch, they get line judges and everything .
Here's a match from last week in State Grade:
Dendy Park 2-4-46 lost to North Ringwood 4-8-56 Details
Dane Kelly lost to Stephen Donald 4-6, 2-6
Troy Smith lost to John Patrick Smith 5-7, 2-6
Ben Goltz lost to Luke Weightman 4-6, 1-6
Julian Arnold def Matt Symons 6-3, 6-3
Dane Kelly / Troy Smith lost to Stephen Donald / John Patrick Smith 3-6, 1-6
Ben Goltz / Julian Arnold def Luke Weightman / Matt Symons 6-1, 6-0
As you can see, the right side has Stephen Donald (no.9 Junior in the world) along with JP Smith (no.6 Junior in the world!)...ok so maybe you would struggle in this State Grade match, but still better than some people have said.
I've never heard of those 2 players though...I looked them up, one came from Waverley which is quite close to me..
very solid strokes.
I blew out my shoulder, couldnt lift my arm more than paralell to the ground, totally dropped playing. Didn't consider any surgery or rehab since it didn't hurt in daily life. By the end of this year I hope it will be stronger than ever before. Last year I could serve for about a set, and then I wouldn't have the strength to bring the ball down into the court, so I had to resort to spin serves. It has been a tough year and a half, but as long as I keep getting better, I can't complain.
I hear ya on the soreness, Tony. My elbow get tender from time to time, and lately, I've had some weird hip soreness.
I guess spending 4-5 days on the courts every week for a couple of months (I've been playing hard since the snow melted) and I think I'm going to have to take it easy this week if I want to be able to handle league this summer.
How much cash did you make last year?
Nice! Are you 100% already? That's awesome!
I still have 20 more days of rehab, until I can start any heavy hitting. 8 months without tennis is murder... and twice?? That's 16 months without hitting balls... A real pain in the ass.
I'm glad you're doing OK now. I still tried to keep myself active, and I'm still trying to hit the courts a couple of hours once a week, at least. It'll take around 2 or 3 months of hitting 4+ times a week to keep up with my level prior to the last surgery, and I'll try to give a shot at those Futures Quallies, as I was supposed to do in October last year (sadly, made it to the Q of Argentina F15, and injured myself in September, withdrew, and the tourney was cancelled because of some sponsors problem).
I'll try to talk with the board of the AAT, and try to get a WC into the Q of some futures events around September or October. Heck, if my man Horacio Zeballos can win Futures and Challengers, I should be able to win only 1 Q match! (not really expecting to make it to the main draw anyway, but they're always a good test for your level of play)
Nice to see you're doing OK. I'll keep you updated about my OWN shoulder
Seriously, refer to my quote.
Check out the ratings on this thread. It's even funnier.
Lars, I mentioned your footwork on your bh because I saw you standing sideways and backpedaling to get the ball. As u know, that's very inefficient compared to sidestepping. The reason why I mentioned it is because I changed from a 2-H to 1-H and it freed up my movement. I had very inefficient movement and I didn't even know it was holding my bh back. But then I realized I moved great when I did 1-H bh slices, so that's why I knew I should've been doing better on my bh side.
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