My video clips thread

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  1. jakemcclain32

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    Well, this will be where I put all my clips for you guys to critique. The first one will be the serve and from four different angles.

    Side note: I hit my serves with my wood racket to pay attention to my shots. Depending on what you guys say, I might do all my drills with that racket. Just a thought though. Not sure.

    Anyway, first clip will be late tonight.
     
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  2. OrangePower

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    I think drilling predominantly with a wood racquet is going to hurt your technique (assuming your intention is to subsequently play with a modern racquet).

    Watch the strokes of players from the 70s and early 80s, and compare with modern strokes. Grips and stroke mechanics are different.

    If you want to "pay attention to your shots", assuming you mean you want to be forced to hit a small sweetspot, then you're better off using a prestige mid or something like that. Even then I think that's overkill - you're better off drilling with your regular racquet and just focusing on hitting the sweetspot.
     
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  3. usta2050

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    try to hit the ball with a baseball bat.
     
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    Wood racket? No. Just no. Use the racket you're going to play with. Modern rackets are so much different, hitting with a woodie won't do anything but screw you up.
     
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  5. jakemcclain32

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    Ok ok...the serve will be the only clip you see of old woodie. I'll retire it.
     
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    If you don't have a baseball bat in your bag, you can also hit it with the butt-end of your racket, Connors was good at this, he could hit 18 in a row with the but-end of his racket.

    My coach used to warn me of dire consequences of suddenly switching rackets or hitting with a wood racket for grins, so I wouldn't do it in front of him. Last week I broke a string in rec play and didn't have my two back ups as would be normal. So I kept playing for about half a set with the strings until they looked like a bowl of macaroni--center court strategy. After the set was over, we played on and I borrowed a wood racket from a buddy who is somewhat eccentric and warms up with it. No problem--for me--if you're strokes are good enough and your arm is strong enough you can do it without hurting yourself. I was having my broken racket strung as we played.

    But as the others have said, not recommended. Good players hate changing rackets or underwear when they are on a winning streak. Some pros you see on TV are playing with ancient sticks painted with current graphics. Tennis has such a small margin or error you want to eliminate as many variables as you can. Stick with the same stick, buy three from the same manufacturing run and have them strung the same. It's not the violin, it's the violinist.
     
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  7. jakemcclain32

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    Thank you Tom,

    I wasn't going to play a match with it. Learned my lesson losing a league playoff match I had no business losing because that was my only stick. This was simply an idea for sweet spot purposes, as was alluded to, but the serve is the only time you see this stick.
     
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  8. Jonny S&V

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    I'm beating you to the punch, since I saw you uploaded your video on YT, but how far do you truly want to go with your game? Give us a goal.
     
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    Ok, here's the thing.

    The goal is absolutely the same, and it's not being obnoxious or unrealistic. When I said one time that I wanted to take it as far as I can go, I didn't mean Wimbledon. I meant that I don't like limiting myself if my body allows me to keep going on. If 4.0 or 4.5 is my limit one day(and yes, odds are that's probably it with a lot of hard work), then I can say that I went as far as my body allowed me to go. But if I stay in the good shape I am now into my older age, I want to continue to improve and see where I take my game, and how far up I can go.

    This is a starter for me now, and a starting over point. I didn't know how much help I needed last year, and how good of shape I needed to be in for this game. Now I do. I'm in shape, and I'm ready to be a sponge. The good thing is that I'm starting this on a two match winning streak, and able to give my buddy Christoph a decent match here and there(not winning of course), so the momentum's there. Strike while the iron's hot and learn the game from scratch.

    So with that said, this is my first clip. It's of my absolute worst possible part of my game...my serve. With my newer game came the reality that I lose my service game a ton, and have to rely on breaking someone else's serve quite a bit. I see a bunch of faults watching myself on video, but I want the pros in here to break everything down for me.

    By the way, I'll also start recording my tournament matches again, but this time I won't look so ridiculous, haha.

    Thanks for all your help in advance.

    Jake
     
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    Oh, one more thing...

    I'm flat out ignoring anyone with just snarky comments. An opinion is one thing...that's cool. Some people will not think I'll ever improve. Coming in to cause trouble and be an ass will be ignored. I am very serious about improving and moving up the ranks. I'm not here to fight anymore...I'm here to learn.
     
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  12. Jonny S&V

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    I think I probably said this before, but you should just get a coach to look at your strokes. Seriously. Far simpler, it's easier to show you what you should be doing than us telling you. That being said...

    From what I see, you're using a semi-western, pancake-style serve. My advice: Switch to continental and figure out how to hit the ball flat (no spin) with extension. Focus on this, take a vid, report back, and we'll critique.

    By doing this little by little, you're simulating what a lesson is like. Coach tells you to change something, you try, they keep chipping away at the flaws little-by-little, and (ideally) your stroke becomes 'correct'.
     
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    how long have you been playing?
     
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    Years and years, but only truly tried learning the real game in the last year, and wanted to learn in the last eighteen months. Basically, it's relearning muscle memory I didn't know I had to learn again.
     
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    The best thing to do at this point is get a little coaching.
     
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    Wouldn't this thread be more appropriate for Tennis Tips and Instruction?
     
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    I am going to get coaching actually. Had a little early in the winter and learned some stuff, but I'm going to get a full time coach within a month or two.

    This is more of a full fledged thread of little drills to get critiqued, my matches, and updates on progress. I'm going to get coaching, but right now is the things to work on, and I'd like to see what to look for from the better players on here.
     
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  18. Swissv2

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    Quick tip: If you have ever thrown a football, or baseball, the motion of the takeback is what you want to simulate. The way you are taking back your racquet produces no power for the serve.
     
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    I agree with the above advice.
     
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    When I was younger I loved to try to emulate the pros. I know you watch a lot of pro tennis...so how does your serve look nothing like the pros in even the smallest way??
     
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  21. jakemcclain32

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    It doesn't, and I know. Remember that tap over you saw in my original match. Trying not to do that anymore.

    Yeah, I've thrown a football or baseball many times. That means I'm basically just wildly swinging the racket with no power to generate?
     
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    Don't take this the wrong way, but you are so far from anything resembling proper technique that some tips from this board really will never help you.

    You absolutely need a lessons from a qualified pro, and he(she) is going to have to break down your strokes into little pieces like you would with a child just learning the game.

    Best of luck !
     
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    Get a ball basket that can stand up around waist level. Its such a rhythm breaker to have to bend over and pick up a ball each time.
     
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    You have to get 1 on 1 lessons from a pro.
     
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    As others have noted you should look into 1 on1 lessons with a pro. You obviously have the desire to improve and that will be the best way to do it... Not by seeking advice from the peanut gallery here.

    I'd also like to throw out some kudos to you - I admire your drive to get better.. I have no doubts you will improve greatly in the near future. Best of luck to you!
     
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    As many have pointed out, you need someone to show you proper technique. A lot of tennis is muscle memory... like riding a bike, it's much easier to learn as a child, harder as you get older. You are going to need help, as in, someone on the court with you who can demonstrate and make adjustments as you go. But (and I'm probably in the minority here), I don't think you necessarily need a "pro" and the $$$ that go with that... if you have a friend who is a decent player with proper technique, and who is willing to be patient and spend some time with you, that will help a lot. I think 3 hrs per week with a friend who knows technique, would at this point be more helpful that say 1 hr every two weeks with a pro, if that's all your budget would allow.
     
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  27. jakemcclain32

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    No, I appreciate all advice, and it's been good here.

    I'm not turning down a coach, because I'm going to get one. I just want to do things to start on the right path. That advice about my swing generating no power was a start, and something I did not even think of there. I like hearing all these things.
     
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    My likely imperfect advice is:

    1. Toss the ball higher. Hit it on the way down. It looks like you are hitting the ball at its peak, that is more difficult to do. Also, toss the ball slightly in front of you, and when you hit the ball, your momentum should be heading forward. It looks like your body momentum is going backward when you hit the ball.

    2. On your backswing, bring the racket down first, then up behind your head, then hit the ball. That should put some momentum behind your swing. Right now you bring the racket almost straight back, which doesn't generate as much force.

    Good luck!
     
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  29. tennis tom

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    Number one get a ball-hopper, it's torturous to see you line up your practice balls and pick them up one at a time.


    Lose the wood racket, when you get a coach have him pick out a racket for you and get at least two, strung the same.

    Find a coach who teaches technique and tell him you want to rebuild your entire game and your goal is to play in the Wimbledon Seniors. A coach who makes you sweat and takes your money is not the same as a coach who can teach technique; kapish?

    Stick with the program and take three lessons a week for 15 years. There's plenty of time and it will be rewarding in the long run. Age Group Seniors goes up to 90's, although Alex Swetka is petitioning they create a 95's age bracket.

    G'luck
     
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  30. Devilito

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    1) Put down the racquet. The more you play, the more you’re going to hurt your game
    2) Find a coach to teach you the basics of tennis which you severely lack. Maybe after a year of lessons you can go on your own and build upon a more solid foundation. Your foundation now nothing but hopes and dreams.
    3) Stay off the internet
     
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  31. Power Player

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    Exactly.l don't care what people post on the net, it is not going to help your game. You need to be completey rebuilt and getting multiple opinions on your tennis here will not help in any way. It will probably slow you down from becoming a 3.5 player one day.
     
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    We all started at some point. Some have more natural talents and could learn without the lessons, but most people need a tennis instructor, especially when they are beginners. You need someone that can explain the grips to you, continental, eastern bh, eastern fh, western, extreme western. A good instructor can give you the pros and cons of all the grips. It's better IMO to start with the continental grip for the serve, rather than the eastern grip and progressing to the continental grip, even though at first you will probably be more consistent with the eastern grip, you will never learn how to hit spin serves properly.

    An instructor will feed balls to you and instruct, observe, correct, demonstrate and observe, correct. If you follow up with a hitting partner or even a backboard, you will gradually see improvement.

    Learn the basics and it will payoff in the long-run. That's my critique of you game!
     
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    Let me preface my comment(s) by saying that I'm not qualified to adequately critique anything, but I'll just say what stood out for me as I watched your video.

    The first thing I noticed was the way you put your racket across your left arm before the toss. Not sure that that's a bad thing, but I don't recall seeing any pros doing that.

    The other thing was that you seem to be tossing the ball a little bit back instead of a little bit forward. My understanding from watching and practicing is that a slightly forward ball toss is preferable. Also, your toss location seems to be a bit erratic. On a positive note, you seem to be hitting the ball at the apex of its arc, which I understand to be generally a good thing.

    As for recommendations ... basically what others said about getting some coaching, and using the racket you're going to be playing with.

    Trying to emulate certain pros is a good thing. One-on-one feedback from a decent coach is even better. In my opinion.

    There's lots of good instruction, and court-level practice and playing videos on YouTube. A good resource for learning I think. Also, videos of your practices and matches can provide valuable feedback that you can learn from.

    Just so you're sure to take anything I might say with a grain of salt, here's a (somewhat speeded up) video of me practice serving. :)

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DR7h3K1aiHo
     
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    It is a good training tool to use a wood racket once in a while. I wouldn't use it the day before an important match, but it can show up flaws in your strokes, especially the serve, where your motion would remain essentially the same.
     
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    I vote for lessons. There's no way coaching yourself via video is gonna help you right now, your form is so far off.
     
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    Post more videos!
     
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    Not trying to be snarky and I am in absolutely no position to give you advice because my serve sucks pretty hardcore, but that toss and take back motion looks pretty crazy to me. Honestly you'd probably ace me the first time because I'd start laughing.

    I'd suggest listening to some of the other posts here, specifically the one that said to move to a conti grip because that helped me tremendously when I made that switch. Ideally you want to swing up to the ball with the racquet on edge (like you're going to hit the ball with your frame) then pronate at the last second and smack the ball in. Alot easier said than done as I've only ever hit a couple hard flat serves that didn't hit the net ;)
     
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    Honestly, I'm very glad to get a lot of these tips. Again, these tips do not take the place of a coach, which I'll get within a month or two. I'm finding a place to start out, and knowing what to look for when I watch videos. I'll be watching it a ton as time goes on.

    I'll be using my regular racket from here on out, and retiring woodie, which really is the better idea in the long run. Thanks to all of you for suggesting that.

    Oh, and the serve is the absolute drizzling ***** worst part of my game by a hundred miles, and watching myself on video, there's no wonder why. My next purchase will be a ball hopper and practicing as I learn the motion and timing.
     
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    I actually agree with what NLBwell said about occasionally using a wood racket. But I went with what posters said about just using your usual racket in the interest of minimizing variables while you're working out and refining the mechanics of your serve. The bottom line is that when your serve gets good, and it will if you keep working on it, then it will be due to things other than what sort of racket you're using.
     
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    As mentioned, before you do ANYTHING else to your serve, get the right grip. You will never have an effective, consistent serve with the frying pan grip. It makes you just swat at the ball.

    Move it over to a continental grip and just practice pronating until you are making solid contact. That will make a world of difference.

    Also, stop falling backwards. You should fall into the court, if anything.

    Also also, a coach is better than us because we can TELL you, but we can't SHOW you. Still, posting on here is better than nothing.
     
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    dood ur strokes r nuttier than a bag o marzipan

    if ur serious bout improving, get a coach. u cannae fix that stuff on ur own with tips from teh internetz
     
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    Yikes, get an English teacher!
     
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    dood if u gunna criticize someone's grammar, dont do it in a post where u misuse a comma instead of a semicolon. ya feel me brah?
     
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    Why don't you use mainstream language conventions in writing your posts?
     
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    the very first thing you need to do is change to a conti grip. if you dont know what that is you can it on the internet.

    then the next thing is to swing your racquet arm over your shoulder and not push shoulder.
     
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    Not feeling it brah;
     
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    dood, as my great brah bertrand russell once represented, obstinate addiction to ordinary language in our private thoughts is one of the main obstacles to progress in philosophy.

    u gotta type how u feel the flow man. we're all just beatin the cracked kettle so bears have tunes to dance

    s'all good dood, u cover it next yr in sixth grade
     
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  49. TomT

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    The language you're writing in is also an ordinary language. But it's the ordinary language of texting abbreviations, and a certain subculture. Are you obstinately addicted to that, or can you formulate your posts using mainstream spelling and punctuation?

    The reason for using mainstream spelling, phrasing, capitalization and punctuation is that, unlike texting slang and street lingo, presumably, everybody learned the mainstream stuff in grade school, and, presumably, the intention on forums such as this is to communicate ideas and opinions about tennis and tennis players as clearly and honestly as possible.

    Maybe you're just a kid, but I'm telling you now ... do not refer to me as "brah" or "dood". It's disrespectful, and I won't have it.

    Your first post in this thread was sarcastic and unhelpful (read: unnecessarily disrespectful of the original posters honest query). Which marks you, in my current opinion, as what's called a "troll".

    If you think you have a good enough game to make fun of the original poster of this thread then post some videos.
     
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    @TeflonTom,
    Ok, on second thought, maybe your first post in this thread might have been somewhat helpful, and perhaps you're not a troll but simply present posts in a style that I find somewhat annoying. But please ... punctuation, grammer, spelling, and capitalization. Is that too much to ask?
     
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