My video clips thread

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  1. TeflonTom

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    fella like i said, you gotta talk the way the words flow from ya fingers best. stream of consciousness, yo.

    wasnt disrespectin the op or u, just noting his plays look pretty wacky. muy unorthodoxeto, if ya kno what i mean.

    if he wanna get em fixed, seein a coach is the way of the wise my man. tryin to fix big technical problems on the web with tips is never gunna work real good

    just tryin to help. no fun making, i swear
     
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    No problem. I sort of retracted part of my post to you. I would just prefer if you write using conventional spelling, etc.

    Si, muy unorthodoxeto re op serve.

    I agree with the essence of what you're saying. However, I do think that a sufficiently motivated player can achieve a good server and strokes without a coach. Just my opinion. But, so as not to rock the boat, so to speak, I agree with you and others that the op should get a coach (even though I don't really believe that's necessary).
     
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    Oh indubitably, old chap. I personally am not totally au fait with the process of intensive online training and learning so I cannot speak with absolute authority on that matter. In lieu of my own experience in the area I am perfectly happy to accept your learned opinion that such an approach may render adequate - nay, good - results for a student of the gentle art of lawn tennis.

    My prima facie observation, tentatively advanced though it was, is that the best course of action may potentially be to contact a coach and obtain some face-to-face instruction. I do feel that the given the young student's current circumstances, he would obtain a great deal of benefit from such personalised training. He will almost certainly advance much more quickly, and also has a greater chance of avoiding common pitfalls and the inadvertent further ingraining of bad habits.

    Such an arrangement has the added advantage of ensuring that any advice comes from a reputable and verifiable source.

    By no means did I wish to denigrate the admirable efforts of this forum's learned residents, nor the commitment or current ability of the upstanding young gentleman who commenced this online discussion.

    I wish to humbly, unreservedly, sincerely and without unction render my apologies to you and anyone else who may have been offended by my uncouth, uneducated, underhanded, unrefined and unedifying utterances. Undoubtedly I hope you do not find my pleadings, protestations and prostrations preposterous.

    peace out, mr. t.
     
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  4. TomT

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    Peace in, Mr. T. Ok, since you've adequately demonstrated your ability to present your ideas in mainstream formalism, and since this is even more annoying than your previous mode of expression, I would not be opposed to your returning to the text/street vernacular.

    :)
     
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  5. TeflonTom

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    ur alright man. i like u.
     
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  6. TomT

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    Now, regarding learning to play without a coach.

    Well, I never had a coach. I just watched the pros and tried to emulate some of them. I got to about 4.5 to 5.0 level of playing within about two years. I began playing when I was about 25 years old. I was at the tennis courts for approximately 8 hours a day, every day, for two years. I played at least one match per day, every day, for almost two years. I hit approximately 200 practice serves every day for almost two years. It took me about 1.5 years to develop a solid backhand. An effective serve and forehand came to me within 3 months of first picking up a racket.

    Once I could hit consistently backhand and forehand, then I experimented with various techniques that I copied from pro players.

    Then, after about two years, I just stopped playing tennis.

    Fast forward about 40 years.

    Players on the public courts ask me how to hit a backhand, or a forehand, or a serve. I tell them, watch the pros. Emulate the pros.
     
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    You got to 5.0 in 2 years of playing tennis with no formal instruction? Where was this, north Dakota? No disrepect but c'mon man.
     
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    Ok, you seem pretty cool, but I think your marzipan comment was somewhat out of line (though I love marzipan). :) But that's history. Let's move on. I want the OP to get out on the courts and practice, practice, practice. Even without a coach yet. Just get out there and hit serves. You know, in a sense, how to do it from watching the pros. So, just copy what they do. Videos are a good source of feedback. Best of luck. More videos please.
     
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    Probably about 4.5. I don't know. We didn't have these ratings back then. We would play the best players from the local colleges and clubs. Sometimes we won, sometimes not. I'm just estimating from what my current local league ratings are. The best player is a solid 4.25 player, according to current ratings. He's just a solid player, nothing special. My honest opinion is that most of the guys I hung with 40 years ago would beat him regularly, including me.
     
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    It was in Southeast Florida. I played pretty much every day, several hours a day, for two years. I was already in really good shape, and an accomplished athlete when I started playing. But probably never reached a consistent 5.0 level. I'm just estimating from what I experience now and the current rating conventions.
     
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    Have you ever spent a two year period doing tennis? Like 6 to 8 hours per day? We used to hit at least 200 volleys and overheads per day. We would ralley for an hour. Take some time off, then ralley for an hour, and so on. The guys I hung with were serious tennis bums. :) Nobody had to work. We all had money. We were all in our 20's and quite athletic.
     
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    Hahahaha this is classic!

    But yeah, Jake, I just think you aren't coordinated and basically just not athletic. That is one reason why it's going to be tough for you to make it to even 4.0. Not saying it can't be done, but it's going to take a lot of stuff I'm not seeing just naturally.
     
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    Dubbs, there's a ton of things I'm not natural at whatsoever. I'm the first to admit it.

    I also have a crazy determination, and a high competitive nature. Allows me to be more successful at things than I have any right to be.

    Things will start looking better in time, I know they will.
     
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    Yo dudes, TomT and TeflonTom, sshu you ain't one in the same brahs? Sup wit dat?
    me, I didnt take lessons either xcept for reading tennis books n articles on the gam. my point to brah Jake was some players need the lessons, no what i mean? I put out da mullah for lessons later in my life!
    but lerned nough to be 4.5 in singles 5.0 in dubs! Long time ago, course!
    later, man or mans!
     
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    Man, that's cold! And I also don't agree with that. No reason Jake couldn't become a 4.0 if he had the proper instruction. You don't need to be a natural athlete to make it to 4.0, just need to learn the game! We're talking 4.0 here.
     
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  16. jakemcclain32

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    Appreciate it TennisDawg, but it doesn't bother me at all. I achieved a ton of things when people said I couldn't, so it's more of a motivator. There's a lot of work for me to do to improve, but I've never been afraid of work.
     
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    Sorry i didnt mean to be harsh as it sounded. Best of luck with your game.
     
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    Dubbs, you are always cool with me. I knew what you meant.

    Remember last year when people were so convinced that I had a sort of mental condition? That all my stories were made up? That didn't bother me either. I am very motivated by negative words. I kept that one match up for the world to see for eight months to remind myself to never get complacent. I looked like the world's biggest piece of **** on there, and that's what can happen when you get too comfortable in life.

    Do I think I'll get 4.0? Without question. Will it take a lot of work? Without question. Everything takes time with me, and I accept that.
     
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  19. TeflonTom

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    ur doin it wrong
     
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  20. TennisDawg

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    Oh, is there a standard I should follow? hahaha! Jus mettin wit u! No big thang! I must admit it is a rather peculiar and unique idiom.
     
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    Robby Ginepri lives!
     
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    Yet another thread that's devolved into rubbish. Or more rubbish than it was, at least.
     
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    The only thing you've suggested so far is that jakemcclain32 should take lessons. While I agree with you and others that in person lessons can certainly help, I don't think it's the deciding factor in producing steady improvement. There's a wealth of tennis instructional videos on the internet. One can engineer a practice program, without a personal tennis instructor or coach, that will produce steady improvements in one's game. Either way still requires concentrated and lengthy practice.

    My guess is that jakemcclain32 just hasn't spent enough time on court. He can learn the right ways to do things either from watching internet videos, and professional matches, or from a qualified personal instructor. Just my two cents.
     
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  24. jakemcclain32

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    Well bye bye to my wood racket...sort of.

    I found a little nail on my wall in my condo and hung it there. It's sort of a work of art now. Perfect place to retire it.

    Since I'm purchasing a ball hopper, I'm going to town on my serve after the fourth of july. Have a lot of work to do.

    By the end of the week, I'm putting up another clip for critique. I don't quite have enough for a full time coach yet, but I have been invited to group workouts, lessons, and drills in the past. Might find that guy again and see if I can use him till I get a coach.
     
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  25. jakemcclain32

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    Thanks TomT,

    You were right on all but one thing. I've spent YEARS on the court, but I've made one big fatal flaw...I spent all those years with all the wrong techniques, and got overconfident of the amount of times I did well despite the horrible technique, footwork, etc. I kind of got reality slapping me in the face, and I've been working on the game ever since.

    I think of it this way. If I can win some matches despite the garbage look...just wait till I start doing it right. I'm just going to keep working.
     
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    Due to my recent hand problem (tendons in the back of the hand, it seems ... whatever), I practice hit with a couple of my old wood rackets today. They're somewhat heavier and less tightly strung than the modern rackets I've been using since getting back into tennis. They actually felt good.

    I would guess that we all have a lot of work to do on certain aspects of our games.

    It's really just a matter of knowing what to do, and then practicing the right motions. From your video, it looks to me like you're not yet sure about the mechanics of serving. Once you learn those basic mechanics then you can experiment with ball toss, initial foot placement, and other variations.

    You can learn the basic mechanics just by watching the pros and emulating their motions ... even without using a ball, just ghost swinging.

    Good. This is, after all, the My video clips thread thread. :)

    I'll put another clip up also, if that's ok. Mainly because I'm 65 and haven't much else to do.

    Improving your serve is one of the things you can do without anybody else around. It's mainly a matter of watching good servers, emulating their serving mechanics and motions, and hitting, literally, hundreds of serves every day.

    It sounds like you're sufficiently motivated. So, it's just a matter of watching good servers (of getting some good personal instruction) concentration and sufficient on court practice.

    I'm expecting to see some marked improvement within a few months. Don't let me down. :)
     
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  27. jakemcclain32

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    I intend to my friend.
     
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    Well, that means you're a capable competitor despite practicing flawed techniques. This is a good thing, imo. Also, you look pretty young, so there's plenty of time. And you seem quite motivated ... also good.

    Exactly. :) I predict that your winning percentage will increase as your form develops.

    That's the spirit. It's so frustrating to me that I can't really practice adequately since my injury. Don't overdo it, but just as importantly maybe, don't underdo it either.
     
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    That tennis location looks very familiar...

    ...is this the very same Jake McClain that posted similar thread last year? The Jake McClain that is also trying to be an actor and trying to get a deal to produce a reality show on himself as an "aspiring tennis player"?

    I think the last TT video I saw of Jake McClain was some diatribe about him not going to give up after losing a 3.0/3.5 tournament.

    Ah, here is the old blog: http://tt.tennis-warehouse.com/showthread.php?t=389054

    OMG: http://tt.tennis-warehouse.com/showthread.php?t=396807
    http://tt.tennis-warehouse.com/showthread.php?t=405873
    http://tt.tennis-warehouse.com/showthread.php?t=396807

    Too bad all the old videos are gone. :(

    I have to get myself some popcorn.
     
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    Those videos were ... interesting. Let me get some popcorn. Ok, thus clarified via popcorn consumption, and taking into account Jake's posting history, I still think he can develop an effective serve. It really is, imo, just a matter of emulation of accomplished servers and sufficient practice. It doesn't seem to me that Jake has yet done either to the extent that's necessary to get good at serving tennis balls. So, there's hope ... imo.

    I returned to tennis after not playing for almost 40 years. Things that were easy for me 40 years ago are not easy for me now. The basic knowledge of stroke mechanics is still there, but actually doing it has proved to be a little more difficult than I thought it would be. If you look at the video of me serving that I posted, it illustrates the problem. 40 years ago, I tossed the ball a little higher, arched, and recoiled a little faster hitting the ball while off the surface of the court. This is what Jake has to learn to do to be competitive at the level that he says he wants to be competitive at. I believe that he can learn to do this with sufficient practice.

    I was a really good athlete when I took up tennis, but not particularly special (or maybe I was, but that's off topic). So, I think that Jake can do it, and I want him to give it his best shot.
     
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    I would agree, if the dude hadn't spent years developing really bad form. Developing good habits from no habits at all can be done by oneself if done systematically; but breaking bad habits can't, IMHO.
     
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    Yup, one in the same.

    Here's the thing though. This will be a lot different. I've worked hard in the last year to work on breaking bad habits, and become an actual player.

    Believe it or not, this is a lot different version of me than last year. The only thing that is the same, for the most part, is the answer that I am going to go as far as my body will let me, and my skills allow me. But this year, I'm a lot more realistic what it will take. You very well might see another double bagel on video, or you never will, but I know everything will come with the territory from here on out.
     
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    Yes. It was called Junior tennis in FLorida, and I did it for years. I sincerely doubt you were 5.0 after 2 years. Just being honest. Miracles happen, but 5.0 is a very high level of play.
     
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    Besides just focusing on the tennis, you should also incorporate some cardio and strength training into your workout routine. Started jogging about 3 months ago and added some strength training and its amazing how thats helped my tennis game. I can usually outlast most opponents on the court.This is only at the 3.5 to 4.0 level though.
     
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    I have. Was 207 and now 196. Feel great.
     
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    You're probably right. I don't really know, and was just estimating from current players and what they say their ratings are.

    Since returning to tennis, I haven't played or seen in person any current players who are 5.0. (Well, there's one guy I hit with a couple times who, although good, I think might have been inflating his rating. :) )

    Somewhere back in this thread I did say that my consistent level of play was probably closer to 4.5. My main reference point is a guy who I actually played a match against who's apparently a firmly established 4.0 and in a position to go to the next level. He beat me, but I'm quite sure it would have been the other way around if I was able to play like I did in my 20's -- which I can't now, and probably never will be able to again due to movement issues.

    You were fortunate in having that instruction and practice as a junior.
     
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    Point taken. You might well be right about needing personal instruction to break bad habits.
     
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    I grew up in a tennis hotbed and my family loves the game.

    That being said, I played a lot of other sports and established a music career, so my tennis game got put on the backburner and never fully developed.
     
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    Even though your tennis got sidetracked, I'll bet you have a very nice all around game given that junior tennis. Is that the case?

    Also off-topic, but I'm just curious. What instrument(s), what sort of music do you do?
     
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    Yeah, Im just retooling my serve and everything else is pretty solid for a baseliner who likes to attack net sometimes.

    I play everything. Whatever I get paid for really. I have literally played on almost every genre of record besides polka.
     
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    Sorry I didn't acknowledge your reply yesterday, but had to go. Since jakemcclain32 began the thread with a serving video, maybe the moderators will allow me to ask what you're doing to retool your serve, and why you feel the need to do it.

    That's great. Music and tennis are my main hobbies now.

    Ok, no more off-topic posts from me. :)
     
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    I support the above see a teaching pro statements. I didn't get my serve issues corrected until I had a college player buddy of mine to help me correct my technique.

    On the TW message board: A so called expert could possibly be a 12 year old...

    Honestly, a tennis clinic or a few lessons focusing on your serve could do wonders for your game.
     
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    sorry, but this is just hilarious.

    in the meantime jake, have you tried imitating how the pros do it? i've tried copying fed's pre serve routine and rhythm, as well as the monfils serve. experiment and have fun!
     
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    Well after a little time, I have an update.

    I actually took time off to heal from my hip flexor problem and just practiced serving on my condo's courts. Practiced the toss, practiced follow through, and the whole motion. It's all I had since I was healing.

    So I healed and decided to play a tournament in Acworth. Was hoping to ease back in and play 3.0, but no one signed up. Anyway, I get 3.5.

    Longer story short, I lost first set 6-0, as in many of my 3.5 matches. Serve wasn't bad, but I was rusty as hell anyway. Didn't hurt that the guy had lots of spin either.

    Second set was the story though. Do you ever go through that time in your life where something just clicks? It just happened to me today. I fell behind 3-0 in the second set, and 15-40, when it all started to click. My serve started to hit the spots, and I won my first game. Down 40-15 on his serve and broke him. Won my third service game easily and it was 3-3. He won his next service game, and I won mine to make it 4-4.

    All good things must come to an end though. I had break point on his serve, and went to the net after hitting a forehand...and whiffed on the volley. He took the game, and broke me to win 6-4.

    I'm very happy today though. That was the first time I could say my serve gave someone serious difficulty. I was getting decent power on it, and actually placed it. No aces, but that will come. I will build on this, and I thank you guys for the comments and tips. I'll put in another video soon since I'm healed up.
     
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